Should men own women?

[taylor]

So yes - there are traits that *should* be present in order certain types of relationships to be feasible. So, I'd enjoy the 'challenging'/drama queen woman as a playmate, but she definitely won't be my choice for a life partner (wife...). for that I'll go with the quiet and loyal one. She'll certainly have to work, of course, it's not possible otherwise these days, but it will be girly work with fixed hours and that does not involve any stress outside of those hours.

 

So, Sam, what are you going to do when you get that itch for a little challenge..a little playtime...and your sitting there in your recliner looking at your quiet boring little loyal wife? How "feasible" would that marriage be looking right about then?

 

Why does it have to be either, or? Why can't you have both a challenging playmate of a wife who keeps you on your toes as well as a wife who is committed to you with all her heart. The two do coexist..if you find the right one.

[boxing123]

So, Sam, what are you going to do when you get that itch for a little challenge..a little playtime...and your sitting there in your recliner looking at your quiet boring little loyal wife? How "feasible" would that marriage be looking right about then?

 

Why does it have to be either, or? Why can't you have both a challenging playmate of a wife who keeps you on your toes as well as a wife who is committed to you with all her heart. The two do coexist..if you find the right one.

 

 

Who keeps us on our toes? Who on Earth wants that? Sorry, I don't want to live the rest of my life walking on eggshells, or on my toes. want a partner.. Life is challenging enough. I do not need to come home to a challenge as well.

 

A few ridiculous posts I won't even address. If you are a female who does not want to be "owned" or "submit" then guess what? You are a play toy. Which is fine. You offer a much needed service to men who do not want to commit.

 

The one good thing is that men nowadays can easily sample hundreds of women before they find the wife they will marry.

[clv0116]

... what are you going to do when you get that itch for a little challenge..a little playtime...and your sitting there in your recliner looking at your quiet boring little loyal wife?

 

I'm gonna thank god and my wife for her sweet loving personality. Then I'll jump her bones.

 

 

 

Why does it have to be either, or? Why can't you have both a challenging playmate of a wife who keeps you on your toes as well as a wife who is committed to you with all her heart. The two do coexist..if you find the right one.

 

My life is full of challenges, I don't seek out more pain in my ass, I seek less. Did you know the odds of an American staying married to a foreign bride are many times better than if he marries a domestic product? Apparently Japan excels at making automobiles AND good women.

[Isolde]

I find it interesting to note that traditionally "female" jobs, such as teaching and nursing, are actually extremely stressful. Teachers, for example, often bring work into the home and attend night meetings. Summers may be technically off but they often need to find temp work during that time. Other traditionally female jobs, such as retail, pay little. Not sure what a traditional wife would do, then, so as not to bring stress into the household...! People should do what they want to do in their careers--you're going to be spending at least eight hours at work every day, might as well be something that's actually marginally interesting.

[clv0116]

-you're going to be spending at least eight hours at work every day, might as well be something that's actually marginally interesting.

 

Why are you spending 8 hours at work again?

[Isolde]

Umm, because we need to pay the rent?

 

I'd get bored if I didn't have school/work pursuits in my life. I am not a workaholic by ANY means--but I'm young, and I have all this energy that needs to go into something productive. I don't have a family and probably won't for a long time, so I want to work now, and ideally part time if/when I have kids.

[Storyrider]

Taramere, some really good posts on this thread.

 

To answer the question you and Ocean raised, Boxing doesn't want to move to one of his idealized countries because he knows he would have less freedom and opportunity.

 

In fact, Boxing wants the world to bend to his desires and whims. He believes women should be in burkas but also that they should f*ck him on the first date. Isn't that a convenient philosophy.

[Cherry Blossom 35]

He claims to know what's best for us.

 

He claims to know how women think and feel about life.

 

He even claims to know our TRUE feelings, because after all, we've been brainwashed by the media to want things that are not good for us. So we don't really know our true paths in life, but somehow, he does.

 

I am free. Free to be whoever the heck I want to be. I can work, stay at home, get married, stay single, travel the world, read my books, enjoy my family and friends, have kids, not have kids, and anything else I choose to do. I have love in my life right now, but if that goes away (and I don't see that happening) then I have faith that I will find love again. I have a generous heart and a positive outlook on life and this will always make me attractive.

 

The D cups don't hurt either.

 

We've come a long way, baby, as that old expression goes. And we're not going back, so get used to it.

[Trialbyfire]

He's the last man on earth who would, could or ever has understood what women want, think or need.

 

Repetition of what he wants, needs and believes won't change the fact that women want, need and think differently than about 99% of his ridiculous theories. I left the 1%, just to allow for a margin of error for sheer luck.

 

Women have freedom of choice in Western countries. Get used to it because there's no way in Hades we'll ever give it up.

[Taramere]

In fact, Boxing wants the world to bend to his desires and whims. He believes women should be in burkas but also that they should f*ck him on the first date. Isn't that a convenient philosophy.

 

Yes it is, Story. I think I might have found a solution for him though.

 

If you are a female who does not want to be "owned" or "submit" then guess what? You are a play toy.

 

Here you go, Bobo A Milad-un-Nabi present for you. Be gentle with her - though you might have to drill a hole first.

[boxing123]

Well I have no interest in dating a feminist. Secondly, at least a few women just on this thread have agreed with me..

[SpanksTheMonkey]

 

 

Biologically women are the physically weaker sex, and are more vulnerable especially during times of pregnancy. So biologically they NEED a strong man.

 

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I dunno about that I think while yes we can be weaker physically we can make up for it intelligence.

 

I can usually figure out how to over come any physical obstacle that I would have other wise "needed a man" for...

 

Oh and when I was preg I totally remodeled 2 rooms in my house by myself and added a garden yip I fully managed all by my lonesome go figure ha lol...

[Woggle]

Well I have no interest in dating a feminist. Secondly, at least a few women just on this thread have agreed with me..

 

I am not what most people would call a feminist and I do not agree with you.

[blondesmiler]

Well I have no interest in dating a feminist. Secondly, at least a few women just on this thread have agreed with me..

 

Thats kinda hypocritical don't you think, wanting validation from women

[boxing123]

Thats kinda hypocritical don't you think, wanting validation from women

 

It is factual.. How am I being hypocritical if women agree with me? I do not see the relation.

 

Sure ladies.. If you give up procreating to work, perhaps you do not NEED a man in this day and age, because men have created a comfortable place for you, with many inventions, a good system of law that protects you, etc. But if you do not procreate, isn't that almost like not even being a full woman?

[SpanksTheMonkey]

 

Sure ladies.. If you give up procreating to work, perhaps you do not NEED a man in this day and age, because men have created a comfortable place for you, with many inventions, a good system of law that protects you, etc. But if you do not procreate, isn't that almost like not even being a full woman?

Trollingggg trolling trollingggg.... Oh MY let the games begin.. lol.. :lmao:.. heres a sexist little bunny just for you..

[mr.dream merchant]

I think boxing is saying that the classic role women used to play is gone because they're more independent now due to equality but that women still want to be....taken care of? like they did in the past? **** man I don't know.

[boxing123]

I think at our cores, men and women biologically seek certain things. Sex, food, water, etc.

 

The beauty of a woman, and her god given strengths lie around her nurturing ability. I believe if women also relinquish control, and stay in touch with their femininity, they will be far more fulfilled and content. They will be far more in touch, intuitive, sensing, etc.

 

Modern society dictates to women to be like men. Women on this thread were guided. None of them fought for any female rights.. They were born, went to school, went to college, got a job. Took out loans or Daddy paid.

 

So which influence is stronger? Biological, or societal? I believe biological.

 

Give a woman a baby to raise in a cave, and I bet she will have more fulfillment, and more of a purpose, than if you put her alone in a mansion and give her a a high paying job.

 

Women are very easy to manipulate.. Tell them to wear a burka, they get used to it. Tell them to work, they get used to it. Tell them to raise kids, they get used to it. Men are not easy to manipulate, their role has been more constant.

 

So, how much of modern women today is manipulation, and how much is them doing truly what they want? I believe most women truly want to be taken care of, if they admit it or not.. Even the most strident feminists seem to state they want a man that makes as much money, a man that plans, a man that pays on dates, the choice to stay home with a baby if they choose, etc. Many women today simply seem to be lost and confused.

 

Try it. Ask one of these women what they want, and see what kind of an answer you get. They will either not even know, or give you some fairy tale answer that is impossible to obtain.

[Taramere]

I think boxing is saying that the classic role women used to play is gone because they're more independent now due to equality but that women still want to be....taken care of? like they did in the past? **** man I don't know.

 

I see chivalrous gestures in the way that I see certain religious traditional celebrations. As long as everyone involved enjoys them, they're harmless and pleasant...and there's no reason to abandon them. But I don't believe there's any dignity and vitality in being completely reliant and dependent on another person. Any more than there's dignity and vitality in existing on a life support machine.

 

Women on this site sometimes get emotional support and validation from men...but generally, they get it from eachother. A lot of the time when a man's validating a woman on this board, it's in order to compare her unfavourably with other women who meet with his disapproval. So it's less about the validated woman being particularly remarkable, more about her flying under a radar that's seeking out female targets to insult.

 

If a woman feels validated by a sense that she is owned by a man who approves of her for not raising her head above the parapet and risking social disapproval, then I suppose that's fine.

 

For some of us, that kind of validation would seem more like an insult. We want to be with a man who can relate to our way of thinking, and if we can't have that then the next best thing is to be alone. I fully agree that those of us who feel that way are far more likely to remain single...but that's better than trying to squeeze ourselves into a shape that's at odds with who we really are, for the sake of winning approval from people we don't admire.

[boxing123]

 

For some of us, that kind of validation would seem more like an insult. We want to be with a man who can relate to our way of thinking, and if we can't have that then the next best thing is to be alone. I fully agree that those of us who feel that way are far more likely to remain single...but that's better than trying to squeeze ourselves into a shape that's at odds with who we really are, for the sake of winning approval from people we don't admire.

 

 

LOL.. See, that's the problem.. Men cannot relate to your way of thinking...What gave you the idea that men should, or are even capable?

 

I have yet to hear a man say this . "I would rather be single, than be with a woman whom cannot relate to my way of thinking"

[Taramere]

LOL.. See, that's the problem.. Men cannot relate to your way of thinking...What gave you the idea that men should, or are even capable?

 

Well obviously someone like you isn't going to be able to relate to my way of thinking. You're a concrete thinker who needs to see things in extremes because exploring the grey areas is difficult and frustrating for you. Exposure to the notion that there are people out there who think very differently to the way you think is threatening. In keeping with being a concrete thinker, you need to preserve a comfort zone for yourself where deep down everyone else thinks exactly as you do - but just won't admit it. You can't accept that your truths are not universal. It's beyond you to do that.

 

The very fact that you hold yourself out as a representative for what men think, as opposed to what you personally think, is symptomatic of that black and white thinking.

 

I have yet to hear a man say this . "I would rather be single, than be with a woman whom cannot relate to my way of thinking"

 

That's at odds with your message on this thread. I'm sure you would rather be single than be with a woman who doesn't relate to your perception of women wanting to be owned by men.

[boxing123]

Perhaps I am. I do see shades of grey on many topics, but when it comes to sex, males, females, and how they relate, and what both TRULY seem to want from one another, I feel simplicity is best. Defined roles.

 

 

Yes, trying to decipher mixed messages and signals is difficult. You do not date women. I do.

 

I actually feel women LOATHE men that see them as equals. Yes, LOATHE them. Women do not want to make half the decisions, plan the future, pay for half, hear about the man's problems, physically protect a man, etc.

 

Women do not want to be viewed as inferior, but also do not want to be truly equal. TRULY equal. They want some mix of a chivalrous man, who takes care of them, but seemingly also does not expect much in return. Through all of this they also claim to want their independence.. Or they are told they SHOULD be independent.

 

So what women want, and say they want, are often times completely different.

[Eve]

I think at our cores, men and women biologically seek certain things. Sex, food, water, etc.

 

The beauty of a woman, and her god given strengths lie around her nurturing ability. I believe if women also relinquish control, and stay in touch with their femininity, they will be far more fulfilled and content. They will be far more in touch, intuitive, sensing, etc.

 

Modern society dictates to women to be like men. Women on this thread were guided. None of them fought for any female rights.. They were born, went to school, went to college, got a job. Took out loans or Daddy paid.

 

So which influence is stronger? Biological, or societal? I believe biological.

 

Give a woman a baby to raise in a cave, and I bet she will have more fulfillment, and more of a purpose, than if you put her alone in a mansion and give her a a high paying job.

 

Women are very easy to manipulate.. Tell them to wear a burka, they get used to it. Tell them to work, they get used to it. Tell them to raise kids, they get used to it. Men are not easy to manipulate, their role has been more constant.

 

So, how much of modern women today is manipulation, and how much is them doing truly what they want? I believe most women truly want to be taken care of, if they admit it or not.. Even the most strident feminists seem to state they want a man that makes as much money, a man that plans, a man that pays on dates, the choice to stay home with a baby if they choose, etc. Many women today simply seem to be lost and confused.

 

Try it. Ask one of these women what they want, and see what kind of an answer you get. They will either not even know, or give you some fairy tale answer that is impossible to obtain.

 

What strange ideas you have! Do you think that men know what they want? I think most of us, male or female havent a clue and mostly go by what feels right. When in relationships we adjust accordingly. Where there is no adjustment, problems ensue.

 

But owning a woman will not guarantee her heart. Nor will telling her she is lost.

 

I dread to think how the above attitude would play out within a relationship... it could be quite empty and abusive really.

 

Incidently I do know someone who bought a wife via the internet. He is rather eccentric (he is a psychiatrist - I find that psychiatrists are often quite crazy people) and he is still as miserable as ever. The moral of the story is that quick fixes never work. Relationships are hard work based on mutual respect and not ownership.

 

My daughter would have your guts for garters if she knew the things you are spouting on here! There is an interesting debate on how we define gender which pretty much blows your arguement out of the water.

 

Regards,

Eve xx

[Not the love ace]

Lizzie60 I LOVE your picture. Where can I find it?

 

Yes, by the way everyone has different wants and needs.

[BobSacamento]

This just doesn't make sense to me. Even a dog you "own" can run away. I wouldn't even want a pet to feel like a possession so why would I want a woman feel like that to me?

 

Subservience is very unattractive to me.