Should men own women?

[Jersey Shortie]

It's a distant cousin to vulchers.

 

Humans have the ablility to process rational thought. But again, if you want to be an ape...that's your choice.

[Enema]

It's a distant cousin to vulchers.

 

Humans have the ablility to process rational thought. But again, if you want to be an ape...that's your choice.

 

So many mistakes.

 

1) Modern non-human apes can process rational thought.

2) Humans are different than other apes, congratualations. That doesn't mean we're not apes.

 

Humans are apes. This has been an evidenced fact for over 100 years.

[boxing123]

You are not free until you give up control. if you think being "independent" is free, you must be kidding yourself. You are just trapped in a different societal box, in which you have a landlord, boss, debts, deadlines, etc. Minus the love.

 

Here is the fundamental problem I see. How can a man truly love an "independent" woman? Granted, many of them are smart, intelligent, interesting, sexy, etc. But can a man TRULY love them without having control? I do not see how.

 

It is in a man's nature to control a female. The act of sex itself is a woman submitting to a man. Open legs and take. A woman cannot in a million years force a man to have sex. Even at the relationships most basic level the woman is submitting.

 

And I GUARANTEE those women you see wearing burkas, with a husband and children are FAR more content, peaceful,free, sexually satisfied, and fulfilled than the career woman you see running around to work, dropping kids at the daycare, being used for sex,paying bills, hoping for boyfriend, getting drunk, and popping anti-depressants.

[yongyong]

I would encourage my girl to have passion, be independet, have a career, work as long as she can just like a man, bring economic value (doesn't have to be 50/50)

then I wouldn't look at her as my property.

 

but what if all she wants to do is stay home, go out shopping and hangout with friends like her and depend on me. I will look at her as property

 

If you are woman and doesn't contribute anything to the relationship (except sex), then you should really think about asking for equal rights

[CommitmentPhobe]

Boxing 123 do you want a puppy or a woman?

 

Women didn't have a choice many moons ago because of their economic circumstance, I think the fact that they've collectively decided to change that tells us everything about their wants, and believe me it doesn't translate into wearing a burka and keeping hubbys every needs fulfilled.

 

If you don't like that you have freedom of choice to find yourself a woman that will pander to you. You might want to look to places which have economic problems because as history have shown, those type of women might well be prepared to be a subordinate just to survive.

[boxing123]

Boxing 123 do you want a puppy or a woman?

 

Women didn't have a choice many moons ago because of their economic circumstance, I think the fact that they've collectively decided to change that tells us everything about their wants, and believe me it doesn't translate into wearing a burka and keeping hubbys every needs fulfilled.

 

If you don't like that you have freedom of choice to find yourself a woman that will pander to you. You might want to look to places which have economic problems because as history have shown, those type of women might well be prepared to be a subordinate just to survive.

 

Women are like sponges. They absorb everything. Watch a woman enter a group of other women. Soon she will start talking just like them. Almost like a chameleon.

 

If the media tells women to work, they work. If a girls friends like the Backstreet Boys, next week that girl will be fainting and crying if she sees them. If Friends is a popular show, soon half a American women will have their hair cut like Jennifer Anniston. Basically they are easy to manipulate.

 

I do not think they even know what they truly want. They have lost touch with being a real female.

[JerseyShortie]

So many mistakes.

 

1) Modern non-human apes can process rational thought.

2) Humans are different than other apes, congratualations. That doesn't mean we're not apes.

 

Humans are apes. This has been an evidenced fact for over 100 years.

 

If you really don't comprehend how humans process rational thought and operate compared to how apes function, I can't help you.

 

Regardless, justfying your behavior based on that of the animal kingdom is cowardly. Animals also kill in the wild for survival. Maybe killers should justify their actions because animals do it too.

 

 

And I GUARANTEE those women you see wearing burkas, with a husband and children are FAR more content, peaceful,free, sexually satisfied, and fulfilled than the career woman you see running around to work, dropping kids at the daycare, being used for sex,paying bills, hoping for boyfriend, getting drunk, and popping anti-depressants.

 

Then you haven't done your research. What do you base the foundation of your argument on? If you can factually prove that women who wear burkas are happier, I'd like to see it. But if all you can go on is your personal guarntee, it's a weak arguement. And very obviously a wrong one. If you had an ounce of infomation on this topic, you would know that.

 

I will also mention that the men of the wives wearing burkas probably aren't going to the football on Sunday to spend 4 hours doing nothing, don't spend their nights drinking beer and playing x-box or infront of the computer downloading porn.

 

 

Women are like sponges. They absorb everything. Watch a woman enter a group of other women. Soon she will start talking just like them. Almost like a chameleon.

 

If the media tells women to work, they work. If a girls friends like the Backstreet Boys, next week that girl will be fainting and crying if she sees them. If Friends is a popular show, soon half a American women will have their hair cut like Jennifer Anniston. Basically they are easy to manipulate.

 

I do not think they even know what they truly want. They have lost touch with being a real female.

 

You really have a low opinion of women.

 

CommitmentPhobe, good post.

[Enema]

If you really don't comprehend how humans process rational thought and operate compared to how apes function, I can't help you.

 

 

Ahh, more red herrings and baseless assertions.

 

Why don't you present some actual evidence that contradicts over 100 years of biology? You'd probably win a nobel prize if you could prove humans aren't apes. But you can't, you know you're wrong, you just won't admit it.

 

 

Regardless, justfying your behavior based on that of the animal kingdom is cowardly. Animals also kill in the wild for survival. Maybe killers should justify their actions because animals do it too.

 

Your reading comprehension is appalling... you just read what you want to read. To quote me:

I guess the amount of infidelity we have today is testament to how close we are to animal behaviour.

 

I didn't say it justifies anything. You're making yourself look like a retard lady.

[Trialbyfire]

Boxing 123 do you want a puppy or a woman?

 

Women didn't have a choice many moons ago because of their economic circumstance, I think the fact that they've collectively decided to change that tells us everything about their wants, and believe me it doesn't translate into wearing a burka and keeping hubbys every needs fulfilled.

 

If you don't like that you have freedom of choice to find yourself a woman that will pander to you. You might want to look to places which have economic problems because as history have shown, those type of women might well be prepared to be a subordinate just to survive.

Great advice for men of that mentality, CP! If you're accustomed to being beaten black and blue for showing your face, what's a little emotional and physical abuse at home?

[boxing123]

Great advice for men of that mentality, CP! If you're accustomed to being beaten black and blue for showing your face, what's a little emotional and physical abuse at home?

 

You mean like Rihanna/Robins Givens/Tina Turner/Whitney Houston? Oh they were beaten for different reasons..I guess that's ok..

[taylor]

You are not free until you give up control...if you think being independent is free, you must be kidding yourself.

 

Does that also mean you believe slaves were free until they got out from under their controlling white "masters"...as long as their white "masters" controlled them, they were free?

 

You have a back azzward way of looking at things.

 

 

 

How can a man truly love an "independent" woman? Granted, many of them are smart, intelligent, interesting, sexy, etc. But can a man TRULY love them without having control? I do not see how.

 

It takes a strong, secure, independent man to love an independent woman. Men who are not strong or secure seek power by trying to control things. Makes them feel big and strong and powerful...when in reality they truly aren't.

 

Perhaps the most controlling of men are men who physically abuse women. They are the most insecure and the weakest of all men.

 

 

 

The act of sex itself is a woman submitting to a man.

 

No, not really. The act of sex is a woman giving herself to a man and a man giving himself to a woman. It's a mutual give and take.

 

 

 

And I GUARANTEE those women you see wearing burkas, with a husband and children are FAR more content, peaceful,free, sexually satisfied, and fulfilled than the career woman

 

OMG, the funniest line I've read on this forum in the past week. Please tell me when was the last time you sat down and talked to a woman wearing a burka about how fulfilled she is. I don't have a big enough shovel for this load of cr-p.

 

 

... women you see running around to work, dropping kids at the daycare, being used for sex,paying bills, hoping for boyfriend, getting drunk, and popping anti-depressants.

 

Most women you see dropping kids off at day care and running to work do it to help pay mortgages, utilities, car payments, and put food on the table...regardless of whether they have boyfriends, husbands, or no one else to help.

 

And I would venture to guess there aren't too many women with small children who are sitting around getting drunk and popping pills.

 

And why are you assuming career women are being used for sex or are "hoping" for boyfriends. There are career women who are actually married or have long term relationships. What planet do you live on?

[Taramere]

And I GUARANTEE those women you see wearing burkas, with a husband and children are FAR more content, peaceful,free, sexually satisfied, and fulfilled than the career woman you see running around to work, dropping kids at the daycare, being used for sex,paying bills, hoping for boyfriend, getting drunk, and popping anti-depressants.

 

Mullah Boxing123 guarantees that Islamic wives are content, peaceful, free, sexually satisfied and fulfilled. Success every time, or your dinars back. Presumably you mean the ones who don't live in fear of honour killings because they broke some dress code or brought shame on their family by being sexually assaulted.

 

Re. your above description. My needs and pleasures are fairly harmless. If I feel like popping over to the South of France at a whim, I can do it. If I feel like suddenly going out for a 15 mile cycle run, I can do it. If I feel like baring my shoulders, my legs or my face in public - I can do it. If I feel like reading a dirty book or flirting with a stranger, I can do it. If I decide to set up my own business - I can do it.

 

If I feel like getting a few different angles on a particular news story...I can do it, because I don't live in a country where people are crippled by censorship in their quest for knowledge. Like most people I might get judged for some things I do and say. Or laughed at, or disliked.....but nobody's going to impose some puerile, idiotic, pre-civilised-world Sharia law on me to stop me. Not yet, anyway.

 

Rational, adult women do not want to be owned. Trying to argue that we don't know our own minds, and that in reality we do want to be owned stems from the same kind of thinking that says "women want to be taken by force and against their will" or "women aren't sexually attracted to men they like."

 

It's an excuse. Fundamentalist religions offer people these escape routes from less palatable truths about themselves. You want to own a woman, because it's the only way you could feel secure about keeping her. What other reason could there possibly be? Own that flaw, instead of pretending to have a clue about what women want and trying to kid yourself that flaws maketh the man.

[Ocean-Blue]

This is all a matter of semantics.

 

Most women I know allow biology to take over, at some point. That doesn't mean she is OK with being disrespected and treated like a second class citizen. It's all about what each woman is comfortable with. We are all raised with different views and beliefs.

 

It's the term "own" that is of concern really. You replace it with something more politically correct and nice and most would agree with you, at least deep down in their soul.

[Taramere]

It's the term "own" that is of concern really. You replace it with something more politically correct and nice and most would agree with you, at least deep down in their soul.

 

Isn't it better that people say in clear, blunt terms what they actually mean - so that everyone knows where they stand on an issue? Once someone starts bringing the Islamic belief system into an argument like this - as he has - then that puts a totally different spin on it.

 

You're American. Far enough removed from Islamic oppression of women to not feel personally threatened by it. I live in the UK. Same thing? Not really. We've got a very vocal Muslim community who would like to see Sharia law implemented here. There are already Sharia courts for Muslims. Here's what a judge who sits on one of those courts has to say:

 

Asked what the system of Sharia would mean for westerners living in England, Choudary, who no longer practises conventional law and is now a judge in the Sharia Court of the UK, says: "Every woman, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, would have to wear a traditional burkha and cover everything apart from her face and hands in public. There is a view that women would also wear the niqab [full face veil], but only in certain circumstances....In matters to do with the judicial system and the penal code, one male witness is sufficient to counter the testimony of two females. Also, anyone one becomes intoxicated by alcohol would be given 40 lashes in public. And people who commit adultery would be stoned to death.

 

When I hear some woman-hating gimp on a message board start babbling on about men owning women, and making specific reference to burqas...that is what I associate that man with. You guys in the US are well protected from that ideology. For now, anyway.

 

Boxing's ideology is not politically correct, and responding to it with good natured political correctness will not change that. It's about f*cking time women stopped worrying about being deemed "less attractive" because they air feminist views. If it's a choice between protecting Western freedoms and being seen as sweet and pretty, I'll go for the former thanks.

[boxing123]

I am not a muslim, but many of you are too brainwashed.. 7 Muslim countries have had female heads of state. Turkey, Pakistan, Senegal, Kosovo, Indonesia, and Bangladesh. Has the USA?

 

A. Mothers and women are honored VERY highly.

 

B. Men are commanded to take care of and support women.

 

C. Her possessions before marriage do not transfer to her husband and she is encouraged to keep her maiden name. She has no obligation to spend on her family out of such properties or out of her income after marriage.

 

If you look at the amount of women raped and murdered in the USA, it is astronomical compared to Islamic nations.

 

The Islamic WOMEN LOVE the freedom of mind, thought, and being taken care of. Trust me, they would not switch positions with any of you, so they can work, be used for sex, pay bills, sleep alone, and do it all over again the next day..

[Ocean-Blue]

I am not a muslim, but many of you are too brainwashed.. 7 Muslim countries have had female heads of state. Turkey, Pakistan, Senegal, Kosovo, Indonesia, and Bangladesh. Has the USA?

 

A. Mothers and women are honored VERY highly.

 

B. Men are commanded to take care of and support women.

 

C. Her possessions before marriage do not transfer to her husband and she is encouraged to keep her maiden name. She has no obligation to spend on her family out of such properties or out of her income after marriage.

 

If you look at the amount of women raped and murdered in the USA, it is astronomical compared to Islamic nations.

 

The Islamic WOMEN LOVE the freedom of mind, thought, and being taken care of. Trust me, they would not switch positions with any of you, so they can work, be used for sex, pay bills, sleep alone, and do it all over again the next day..

 

You are a complete and utter idiot if you believe this ****. People like you use Islam, etc. to make your point.

 

The bottom line, boxing, is that YOU have been seriously affected by women in a negative way, throughout your life.

 

So you go on preaching, because YOUR frame of reference is so damn negative, where women are concerned. I, along with some others who've posted here, don't deny that there is a natural order to life and relationships. What you don't realize is there is NO extreme. You espouse a view that is not only distasteful, but one that is totally deluded. You are so consumed by your own hate, that you can't see anything that may challenge it.

 

People like you are so sad.

[boxing123]

Ocean, there are let's say 3 billion women on Earth. Your view is that they all want to be like American women?

 

But seriously.. Imagine walking around in public in a bed sheet. That would not allow you to feel a sense of freedom almost immediately? Nobody staring at your tits and ass. No worry of hair, make up, nails, are you prettier than the women your husband sees at work everyday?

 

Women have been consumed with looks and appearance. Dieting, starving, hair, etc. You think it is possible to be spiritually free with all of that on your mind?

[Treasa]

This may not be very popular... So please forgive me ladies of loveshack.. as this is but a mere observation.

 

To all the married women. When you got married, did your father not "give" you to your husband as though you were a possession, having your owner change hands? I know most people probably don't consider it when they get married but it is by todays values a very sexist tradition.

 

My father is a convicted child molester and ex-druggie. He hasn't been in jail in several years now, but I still have as little to do with him as possible.

 

If and when I get married, my mom will be walking me down the aisle. No one owns me, but she's earned the right to whisper to my husband to be (and she will), "If you ever make my daughter cry, I'm coming for you."

 

My mom is an incredibly intimidating woman, so this will have a huge effect. My boyfriend now, who is the most likely candidate as a future husband, knows to not ever piss her off, even though they like each other a lot.

[Ocean-Blue]

Ocean, there are let's say 3 billion women on Earth. Your view is that they all want to be like American women?

 

But seriously.. Imagine walking around in public in a bed sheet. That would not allow you to feel a sense of freedom almost immediately? Nobody staring at your tits and ass. No worry of hair, make up, nails, are you prettier than the women your husband sees at work everyday?

 

Women have been consumed with looks and appearance. Dieting, starving, hair, etc. You think it is possible to be spiritually free with all of that on your mind?

 

I am not American. I am not stupid enough to think that ALL women want to be like American women.

 

I would NEVER want to walk around in a damn hijab. Why? I don't agree with the principle behind it. I don't worry about men staring at my "tits and ass"... And I KNOW I am prettier than most women my So sees. I just know.

 

I don't diet. I don't starve myself. I come from a place where gaining weight is seen as a good thing.

 

I may not be spiritually free, boxing, but I do know that I don't want to be walking around in a burka, having a man tell me who I am and what I want.

 

There is a fine balance to everything. That's what your posts lack. That's what irks me. You paint every woman with broad strokes.

[Taramere]

I am not a muslim, but many of you are too brainwashed.. 7 Muslim countries have had female heads of state. Turkey, Pakistan, Senegal, Kosovo, Indonesia, and Bangladesh. Has the USA?

 

If you read my post you'll see that I'm from Europe not the US. So I'll answer that female head of state question from a more international perspective. Here:

 

http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Current-Women-Leaders.htm

 

A. Mothers and women are honored VERY highly.

 

Bullsh*t. Try telling the Taliban that.

 

B. Men are commanded to take care of and support women.

 

C. Her possessions before marriage do not transfer to her husband and she is encouraged to keep her maiden name. She has no obligation to spend on her family out of such properties or out of her income after marriage.

 

If you look at the amount of women raped and murdered in the USA, it is astronomical compared to Islamic nations.

 

The Islamic WOMEN LOVE the freedom of mind, thought, and being taken care of. Trust me, they would not switch positions with any of you, so they can work, be used for sex, pay bills, sleep alone, and do it all over again the next day..

 

You are taking the rose-tinted view of Islam. The Islamic experience as experienced by moderates and fed to our Western Universities, politicians and chatterers by moderates.

 

There is absolutely no point in me saying any more. If people find it cosier to assure themselves that this rosy version of Islam is what its most vociferous proponents want to bring to the rest of the world, nothing I say is going to change that.

 

But it's not for you - or, indeed, any woman other than myself to decide what I personally want. Being owned might be fine as a role play, but as a lifestyle choice? Screw that. I'm an adult and I take adult accountability for my choices. I don't need to be owned and be abused or coddled (depending on the owner's temperament and whimsies) like some pet animal.

[Treasa]

To the OP: Son, I live in a world (*giggle* sorry, I've always wanted to use that) where I'm considered equal to the men I know. I take martial arts and Weapons, so I use swords, rokushakubos (six foot staffs), hanbos (three foot staff), etc. on a regular basis. I'm treat as "one of the guys" which is what I prefer. That being said, if I DID get harassed by someone who thought it was their right because I was a weak lil woman, I'd have a posse who would kick that person's ass. Martial arts is great.

 

I command a higher salary than either my boyfriend or my best friend (who's male), and have more opportunities for advancement.

 

I pay my own way, although sometimes I pay for my boyfriend and vice versa. But I was raised by a very strong woman, had strong female role models, awesome male role models, and don't live in your silly world where one person would want to be owned by another. I'm sorry, but I was raised around people of other races, sexual preferences, abilities, etc. I see a person's heart, mind, and spirit. Therefore, these gender stereotypes are as completely foreign to me as a cross-dressing alien from Mars.

 

So, unfortunately, I feel I can't contribute anything else useful to this thread, because most of your words (some of them do have merit) are coming across like Charlie Brown's teacher: Mwa wa wa wa wa wa...

 

Now, I have the morning off from work, so I'm going back to bed. Night night.

[boxing123]

Afghanistan is a poor example for many reasons..The Taliban actually came to power and implemented laws to PROTECT WOMEN.

 

They have been at war for decades, and centuries. They are poor. It is not like women just call the police if they were attacked, and the assailant will be locked up in a prison. Before the Taliban it was similar to a Mad Max movie. Grab woman, rape woman, keep woman, etc.

 

The Taliban enforced strict measures to prevent this from occurring, without having a modern police force, etc. Imagine what would happen in the USA to women if there were no police. If we were very poor, and in the middle of a major war on our soil. Millions of women would be raped over night.

 

I have been to Indonesia, and I have seen more naturally smiling women and children within 2 blocks than I have seen in the USA in over a year.

[Ocean-Blue]

Afghanistan is a poor example for many reasons..The Taliban actually came to power and implemented laws to PROTECT WOMEN.

 

They have been at war for decades, and centuries. They are poor. It is not like women just call the police if they were attacked, and the assailant will be locked up in a prison. Before the Taliban it was similar to a Mad Max movie. Grab woman, rape woman, keep woman, etc.

 

The Taliban enforced strict measures to prevent this from occurring, without having a modern police force, etc. Imagine what would happen in the USA to women if there were no police. If we were very poor, and in the middle of a major war on our soil. Millions of women would be raped over night.

 

I have been to Indonesia, and I have seen more naturally smiling women and children within 2 blocks than I have seen in the USA in over a year.

 

So why not move to one of these nations? Why subject yourself to the pain that is Westernized women?

[Taramere]

So why not move to one of these nations? Why subject yourself to the pain that is Westernized women?

 

Exactly what I was thinking. It seems far simpler than attempting to persuade the culture you're living in to adopt your way of thinking.

[Woggle]

You are not seriously touting the Taliban is a good society for women are you? Do you really think they enjoy not being able to even leave the house without covering their entire body and if they happen to show an ankle they are beaten in the street with a stick?