949GuitarDude Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 This is a guess.. I take it you are single ?? 0$ spent on a woman courting her shouldn't be okay dude.. and honestly if you don't get with it then you will remain dateless or angry for quite sometime.. Nobody says that you have to spend a ton of money on a woman.. but if you want to court her then part of courting her is paying her way on dates.. JMO So you're a hooker. My friends don't make me pay to hang out with them.
prettybaby Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 So you're a hooker. My friends don't make me pay to hang out with them. lighten up, dude
949GuitarDude Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 lighten up, dude Simply a statement of fact.
prettybaby Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 Just sayin'. Your attitude already turns me off simply by reading a few of your posts on a message board. I sure hope you don't come across that way in real life A positive attitude is key when dating. That being said, I do know the free meal type of women are more common in the States; so I know it must get frustrating. I'm European and lived in the States for several years. A European friend of mine who lived in NY bumped into the exact same issues when dating American women (not always, but often). It's kind of sad to say that his dating life switched back to something a bit more fulfilling after he moved back to Europe lol Still though, there are great women everywhere. But it's common courtesy for men to pay the first dinner. Call it old fashioned and pointless, but that's the way it is. A nice woman will offer to pay right away; don't let her though. If things click, she'll have plenty of opportunities to pay later on. You don't want to ruin your chances with a good catch just because you've dated some twats in the past.
Ramrod Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 all 4 of us talking at work among us. we are all co workers and one of them said he spend like 8k in 3 years on his gf, this is an approx figure. i'm like waoh what are you buying her, diamond rings and talking her to eat out at 5 star places. but do you really believe this. that almost like spending 2500 a yr on his gf. he said it all adds up dinner, movies,.....etc 10 dollar here, and movie there, dinner....etc how about you guys do you spend this amount or even more on your gf or how does it go. i mean you can spend this amount or even more, and she breaks up with you all your money is gone, and what happens if she don;t even give you sex hahah. the thing is hes also a student, and has no car. he works but i'm not totally sure how many hours. he said that the reason he can;t get a car, he spend it eitehr on clothes, his gf, and computers That's the cost of keeping "it" clean. It depends on how hot the girl is but also how lame a guy he is, as to the exact amount it will cost to keep your "space" reserved for you (only) but many guys, like myself, don't mind paying it. It's never free. There is always a string attached. You can be replaced at the drop of twenty.
wierdmunky Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 Do you know how to be romantic without the money though? If a guy really swept me off my feet, I wouldn't care about how much money he dropped on me, I would be stuck on how great the night went, and how I felt. If a guy dropped a lot of money on me and I can still sense a crap attitude in his personality than money isn't going to make for it, (ex! ahem) I never EXPECT guys to pay, but I appreciate it. In fact sometimes with us (the boyfriend) it's usually a race to our wallets, (once I told the bf I left my ID in his , wouldn't let him have it back, and was finally able to pay for dinner-I have to keep changing these tricks too) but I wouldn't go on a date without money, and expect the works especially if were just dating. Maybe if I was someone like Mariah Carey I would. But if it's a first date than it makes an impression on what kind of guy he is because thats what guys usually do. If you can make it work the other way around than hey more power to you, but it's going to depend on the girl.
mr.dream merchant Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 I certainly have.. as a business owner for most of my life I have had to learn how to determine if a girl wanted to go out because she wanted to get to know me or if she was just going out because of my cool toys..boats, house, motorcycles.. etc or money... It's funny though.. I'm not bitter because some women have looked at me for a meal ticket.. instead I act like a man.. I move on to the next girl and don't make her suffer for the others that came before her... Acting like a man can't be defined by any one or number of actions/characteristics. What you did is what any normal non-petty person would've, and that is getting over it because if a chick used you for a meal ticket, she not even worth being upset over.
949GuitarDude Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Just sayin'. Your attitude already turns me off simply by reading a few of your posts on a message board. I sure hope you don't come across that way in real life A positive attitude is key when dating. That being said, I do know the free meal type of women are more common in the States; so I know it must get frustrating. I'm European and lived in the States for several years. A European friend of mine who lived in NY bumped into the exact same issues when dating American women (not always, but often). It's kind of sad to say that his dating life switched back to something a bit more fulfilling after he moved back to Europe lol Still though, there are great women everywhere. But it's common courtesy for men to pay the first dinner. Call it old fashioned and pointless, but that's the way it is. A nice woman will offer to pay right away; don't let her though. If things click, she'll have plenty of opportunities to pay later on. You don't want to ruin your chances with a good catch just because you've dated some twats in the past. I'm not trying to go out with you or anyone on these forums. I have my techniques for getting chicks back to my bed. Where does "common courtesy" come from. How manipulative can you be. Back in the day it was common for a caveman to crack her upside the head and drag her by her hair. Sex used to be about procreating. We evolve, and customs evolve. That's not the way it is. Girls will have sex with me without being bought. If your statement was true, I'd just get hookers to come over. Cut out the middle man, ya know.
taylor Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I have had to learn how to determine if a girl wanted to go out because she wanted to get to know me or if she was just going out because of my cool toys. Women do the same thing. We have to learn how to determine if a guy wants to go out with us because they want to get to know us or if he just wants to go out because of our cool "toys."
taylor Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Acting like a man can't be defined by any one or number of actions/characteristics. What you did is what any normal non-petty person would've, and that is getting over it because if a chick used you for a meal ticket, she not even worth being upset over. I disagree. I think a man's actions do define him. What Art Critic did showed him to be a man with maturity and wisdom. Had he told the girl to F--- herself and had the attitude that all women could just go F--themselves because they are all the same...well...that would be a boy in a man's body.
taylor Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Do you know how to be romantic without the money though? If a guy really swept me off my feet, I wouldn't care about how much money he dropped on me, I would be stuck on how great the night went, and how I felt. If a guy dropped a lot of money on me and I can still sense a crap attitude in his personality than money isn't going to make for it, (ex! ahem) I never EXPECT guys to pay, but I appreciate it. In fact sometimes with us (the boyfriend) it's usually a race to our wallets, (once I told the bf I left my ID in his , wouldn't let him have it back, and was finally able to pay for dinner-I have to keep changing these tricks too) but I wouldn't go on a date without money, and expect the works especially if were just dating. Maybe if I was someone like Mariah Carey I would. But if it's a first date than it makes an impression on what kind of guy he is because thats what guys usually do. If you can make it work the other way around than hey more power to you, but it's going to depend on the girl. Great post. Agree 100 percent.
prettybaby Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I'm not trying to go out with you or anyone on these forums. I have my techniques for getting chicks back to my bed. Where does "common courtesy" come from. How manipulative can you be. Back in the day it was common for a caveman to crack her upside the head and drag her by her hair. Sex used to be about procreating. We evolve, and customs evolve. That's not the way it is. Girls will have sex with me without being bought. If your statement was true, I'd just get hookers to come over. Cut out the middle man, ya know. I find it interesting how you consider this as sex being your goal; while I'm talking about a long term loving relationship ...
boxing123 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Today, this is what it seems like.. Women want men to pay so that they can serial date. Many women also feel very odd if there was NOT a money transaction before sex occurs. Try telling a woman you will take her on a walk in the park, and she will most likely think "cheap" for a first date. Chances of having sex plummet. A better question is why is there such a correlation between money and sex for so many women?
IcemanJB Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 I find it interesting how you consider this as sex being your goal; while I'm talking about a long term loving relationship ... I noticed the same thing. He has different goals I guess.
IcemanJB Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Today, this is what it seems like.. Women want men to pay so that they can serial date. Many women also feel very odd if there was NOT a money transaction before sex occurs. Try telling a woman you will take her on a walk in the park, and she will most likely think "cheap" for a first date. Chances of having sex plummet. A better question is why is there such a correlation between money and sex for so many women? Are you kidding me? For the last two girls I dated, our first dates were a stroll through downtown, and BOWLING (which she wouldn't let me pay for), respectively. My chances of sex certainly didn't plummet, even when I wanted something long-term. Maybe you're doing something wrong.
samiam143 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Today, this is what it seems like.. Women want men to pay so that they can serial date. Many women also feel very odd if there was NOT a money transaction before sex occurs. Try telling a woman you will take her on a walk in the park, and she will most likely think "cheap" for a first date. Chances of having sex plummet. A better question is why is there such a correlation between money and sex for so many women? Bull****. Way to stereotype. I have gone for a walk in the park on a date and had a wonderful time. It was my guys idea. I liked it because he was being open minded about dates instead of always taking me to dinner and a movie. We even went to an agrirama for 7 bucks a person. Not to mention I like to take HIM out and treat him to a dates as well! Sure she might think you're cheap if you do that on a first date because a lot of women are very traditional. They want the whole "dinner, pull out my chair, open the door for me kind of date". Perhaps because you're probably the type that asks a girl on a date just because she has a hot body, even if she has no personality. Boobs and brains boys. Not just barbie. Treat a girl right and she'll treat you like a god.
Art_Critic Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Bull****. Way to stereotype. I have gone for a walk in the park on a date and had a wonderful time. It was my guys idea. I liked it because he was being open minded about dates instead of always taking me to dinner and a movie. We even went to an agrirama for 7 bucks a person. Not to mention I like to take HIM out and treat him to a dates as well! Sure she might think you're cheap if you do that on a first date because a lot of women are very traditional. They want the whole "dinner, pull out my chair, open the door for me kind of date". Perhaps because you're probably the type that asks a girl on a date just because she has a hot body, even if she has no personality. Boobs and brains boys. Not just barbie. Treat a girl right and she'll treat you like a god. .....
taylor Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Many women also feel very odd if there was NOT a money transaction before sex occurs. A better question is why is there such a correlation between money and sex for so many women? You are missing something here because you are thinking like a man, not like a woman. Women don't feel odd if there is no money transaction before sex occurs. Women feel odd sometimes if they have sex before there is an emotional connection and the emotional connection usually doesn't occur until she has been on several dates with the man and gets to know him enough, and gets to like him enough, and feels she can trust him enough..to have sex with him. Money just makes it possible to go on dates with the man. Here's how the correlation works: Go on date. Spend money. Get to know each other. Go on another date. Spend money. Get to know each other better. Go on another date. Spend money. Get to know each other even better. ETC. ETC. Until Go on yet another date. Spend money. Get to know each other well enough to feel comfortable having sex. The correlation is more between the emotional connection and sex than it is between the money and the sex. If you don't believe this, walk up to a strange girl you'd like to have sex with and ask her if she'd have sex with you if you gave her $50. See if your money transaction works. Unless she's a hooker, she'd most likely turn you down. Why? No emotional connection.
samiam143 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 If you don't believe this, walk up to a strange girl you'd like to have sex with and ask her if she'd have sex with you if you gave her $50. See if your money transaction works. Unless she's a hooker, she'd most likely turn you down. Why? No emotional connection. lmao GENIUSSSS! Women want guys to impress them. Simple as that. They like to be treated like a lady, not a sex toy. Take her on dates, treat her right, communicate, work the charm and most likely you'll win her over.
wierdmunky Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Thx taylor, and Today, this is what it seems like.. Women want men to pay so that they can serial date. Many women also feel very odd if there was NOT a money transaction before sex occurs. Try telling a woman you will take her on a walk in the park, and she will most likely think "cheap" for a first date. Chances of having sex plummet. A better question is why is there such a correlation between money and sex for so many women? Do you keep tabs on how every woman reacts before and after money transactions that may or may not lead to sex? Did all your girlfriends need you to pay for dinner before thinking about sleeping with you? I don't think there is a direct correlation between women having sex with you and money. I think there might be a correlation between how you are with women and them having sex with you. Money represents a lot of things. Not everyone is greedy with money, some ppl are stingy with money even when they have it and some ppl are stingy with sex. A hooker needs your money not you. A good girl isn't going to give it up for just anyone, if you have money or not. The world isn't free either. I think you would have a better chance of sex if you MADE her dinner at your place.
MindoverMatter Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 When somebody asks me out, and I don't know the guy well, then I expect him to pay. I would pay my own way if asked to, but in most cases that would end the courting process. Note, this is only the first date. Why? Because the guy asked me out, he has a reason to ask me out (attraction). I am merely giving this a chance. And you better try to impress me on the first date, because that is when I decide if I want to get to know you. After that who pays will alternate. And the first date doesn't have to be expensive. Can be a coffee date, can be a stroll through a park and an ice cream cone. But don't look at me and ask me to pay, because then you're never gonna get in my panties. *shrugs*
boxing123 Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 When somebody asks me out, and I don't know the guy well, then I expect him to pay. I would pay my own way if asked to, but in most cases that would end the courting process. Note, this is only the first date. Why? Because the guy asked me out, he has a reason to ask me out (attraction). I am merely giving this a chance. And you better try to impress me on the first date, because that is when I decide if I want to get to know you. After that who pays will alternate. And the first date doesn't have to be expensive. Can be a coffee date, can be a stroll through a park and an ice cream cone. But don't look at me and ask me to pay, because then you're never gonna get in my panties. *shrugs* So, let me get this straight... According to many women on this thread, money does not need to be spent on a date all of a sudden..All you need is an "emotional connection" So Saturday night roles around, and it is the night of your big date.. The man picks you up, and takes you to the ice cream stand. He buys an an ice cream cone. That is perfectly acceptable? For who? 16 year olds?
MindoverMatter Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 If it was a hot summer night, sure. (In cold, stormy winter I would be a bit surprised. But in general I'd say that an ice cream date is better done during the day. More fun things to do. Can't stroll a park at night, can you?)
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