mr.dream merchant Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 T. Lots of controversy over it. In my opinion the word can be used appropriately, but more often than not, it isn't. What are your thoughts?
Art_Critic Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Why even try to use it appropriately when you know the chances are it will be taken the wrong way ? Given the controversy it would be easier to no use a word that might incite the party you are speaking to or about.. I personally have almost zero use for the word.. I can think of other non offensive words to use instead... JMO
Author mr.dream merchant Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 Ah I wouldn't call a female that to her face lol, that's asking for trouble. In my eyes its the same as being a player, that's why I said in some cases the label can be appropriate. Player is seen as a good thing for guys because male's like the idea of getting lots of play from women, its what they dream for, the hormones being satisfied. When a female is accused of being a slut they take it the worst way because no female wants to be thought of as that, an easy score for the night. I don't know much about female hormones, I'm not sure if they dream of scoring with lots of guys, but in any case most of the offense comes from them not being equal to males in the sense of unfair judgement in the sex life, it's like they want to be but not quite. I don't understand it really.
BobSacamento Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I think more often it's used incorrectly to describe an independent young woman who doesn't want to be tied down by one man.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 I think more often it's used incorrectly to describe an independent young woman who doesn't want to be tied down by one man. Yeah. But would you agree that there are some out there where the label wouldn't be used incorrectly?
D-Lish Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Yeah. But would you agree that there are some out there where the label wouldn't be used incorrectly? Like if you were at a brothel and the madam said to you "which slut would you like sir?"
Ronni_W Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Difference with "player" is exactly that it DOES, and has always had, that underlying sense that it's not all that bad. SLU.T started off as derogatory, like the n-word -- the intention was always to use it AGAINST an individual or group...to make them feel bad about themselves. Player? "Oh, yeah, cool...I'm a player." It doesn't have the capacity to hurt and damage, on the same levels. Why not just call those women "players", as well? (Whichever women you used to think the word 'slu.t' for, that is.)
Author mr.dream merchant Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 To be honest I use neither, I use the word freak. "Oh he's a freak" "Word? I heard she's a freak". But yeah you're right, player I guess was always a good label while slut started off as a derogatory term. The bigger question here is do you think it could ever be used accurately if the female being talked about wasn't trading her services for something? I think so. I've seen some pretty bad cases, and to look at that chick and say that she isn't is beyond me. Its such an iffy situation though. If I know the person well enough to appreciate their personality, but they are quite promiscuous, then that's when freak comes into play. The older I got I realized slut is just based on assumption, as in you'd only use it based on what you hear, see, and whatever else, not based on what you know. But then there were always cases where you knew that chick was a slut, and you didn't respect her personality, because she didn't really have respect for herself or her body. And that's when I just started using freak in general, because you never really know. If I see an independent young woman out there getting hers but being respectful to her body at the same time, she's a freak. Its not a bad term, it isn't a good term, it just means she likes to get off, as do I, ****....I'm a damn freak myself. Freak is my way of playing it safe, avoiding the bad side of making an assumption.
Ronni_W Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 The bigger question here is do you think it could ever be used accurately Personally, no, not under any circumstance. Same as I don't think there is an "accurate" way to use the n-word. IMO, the original meanings came out of ignorance (wrong/inaccurate beliefs), so there is no way to make its meaning any more "accurate" in this day and age. At least, no way that my brain will come up with.
missdependant Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 My personal definition of a slu* is someone (female OR MALE) that sleeps around really hardcore or gets paid for their services; i.e. prostitutes, pornstars, people who use sex as collateral, etc. I don't mean someone who's had a lot of sex partners. There was a thread that was on here before asking people how many sex partner's they'd had. A lot of them seemed to be over ten. There's NOTHING wrong with people having sex and playing the field regardless of what sex they are. In my opinion, it's healthy. We all need to get laid sometimes. In my entire life as an adult I have only met one person that I'd define as a slut.. because he would fu** several different girls EVERY weekend then brag about the fact that he'd slept with 60 different ones.. some without protection. The guy thought he was a real player... but in everyone else's eyes, we saw him as nothing more than a common whore.
kashmir Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 If slu.t is a derogatory term that shouldn't be used for women, then creep should be a derogatory term for men that shouldn't be used either. The behavior that defines a slu.t for a woman is the same behavior that defines a player for men. At the same time, the behavior that defines a creep for a guy can usually be done by a girl and never be thought of as creepy (and I don't mean OBVIOUS creeping, like stalking or secretely collecting pictures of a woman in your closet . I'm talking about much more subtle things, like trying to approach and talk to a girl you don't know very well.) My point in all of this is that things balance out. Girls can be creeps and guys can be slu.ts without any negative consequence.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 My personal definition of a slu* is someone (female OR MALE) that sleeps around really hardcore or gets paid for their services; i.e. prostitutes, pornstars, people who use sex as collateral, etc. I don't mean someone who's had a lot of sex partners. There was a thread that was on here before asking people how many sex partner's they'd had. A lot of them seemed to be over ten. There's NOTHING wrong with people having sex and playing the field regardless of what sex they are. In my opinion, it's healthy. We all need to get laid sometimes. In my entire life as an adult I have only met one person that I'd define as a slut.. because he would fu** several different girls EVERY weekend then brag about the fact that he'd slept with 60 different ones.. some without protection. The guy thought he was a real player... but in everyone else's eyes, we saw him as nothing more than a common whore. The thing with number of sex partners is within what time span? If someone had over ten sex partners in a month, what would you think of them?
Ronni_W Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I've seen some pretty bad cases, and to look at that chick and say that she isn't Why is a woman who enjoys sex, and with a variety of sexual partners, a "bad case" of anything? -- that's the exact typeof ignorant belief to which I am referring. What makes women "bad" for doing the SAME thing that men do and are admired for, for the most part? I know this one goes back as far as Mary Magdalen, or even before. But that don't mean it was ever "accurate". IMO. I do totally agree with you, to use the EXACT SAME term (derogatory or not*) to describe any particular behaviour, no matter if it is a man, woman or giraffe engaging in that behaviour. Not that I am in favour of ANY derogatory terms. Just, use the same term, regardless of gender.
Art_Critic Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 If slu.t is a derogatory term that shouldn't be used for women, then creep should be a derogatory term for men that shouldn't be used either. Come on kashmir.. You can't even spell it.. you know damn well SLUT doesn't equate to creep.. The fact you misspell it by putting a period in the middle shows me that you know it is a derogatory word unlike the word creep.
Ronni_W Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 The fact you misspell it by putting a period in the middle I did that too, cos wasn't sure it was an LS-approved word.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 Why is a woman who enjoys sex, and with a variety of sexual partners, a "bad case" of anything? -- that's the exact typeof ignorant belief to which I am referring. What makes women "bad" for doing the SAME thing that men do and are admired for, for the most part? I know this one goes back as far as Mary Magdalen, or even before. But that don't mean it was ever "accurate". IMO. I do totally agree with you, to use the EXACT SAME term (derogatory or not*) to describe any particular behaviour, no matter if it is a man, woman or giraffe engaging in that behaviour. Not that I am in favour of ANY derogatory terms. Just, use the same term, regardless of gender. Things can always be taken to an extreme is what I meant, and I've seen an extreme or two. I knew a girl who had trains ran on her multiple times, each time with 3+ guys. How could I look at her and not be considering the term? I wouldn't go out of my way to heckle and pelt her with slander. But when you know of it your mind automatically red flags that person and you just steer away from having anything to do with them. Her personality was terrible to, as a whole, she wasn't that great of a person, so the term really seemed more fitting in the back of my mind.
missdependant Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I knew a girl who had trains ran on her multiple times, each time with 3+ guys. How could I look at her and not be considering the term? And a man involved in an orgy with three women is... let me guess. A god.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 And a man involved in an orgy with three women is... let me guess. A god. Not really, that's alot of tits, ass and pussy to deal with to be honest rofl.
kashmir Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Come on kashmir.. You can't even spell it.. you know damn well SLUT doesn't equate to creep.. The fact you misspell it by putting a period in the middle shows me that you know it is a derogatory word unlike the word creep. Haha, I'm guessing you're being sarcastic? I put the the period because I too wasn't sure if it was a banned word. Guess it isn't....so...SLUT SLUT SLUT! I meant what I said though. A guy calling a girl a slut does equate to a girl calling a guy a creep. Both things suck. You don't want to be known as either of them. Both of them can be used with too much ease by others and can be used to brand decent people who don't necessarily deserve those titles. But both genders have their own derogatory branding. It's not like this a double standard for women only, because as I said before, women can do things without negative consequences that men can't do. It balances out.
Sam Spade Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 The difference between a slut (a woman) and a player (a man), is the utter lack of sincerety in the former. Women would like to pretend that they're all liberated and don't need men for anything but playmates, but in reality they're just fooling themselves and end up miserable, Sex and the city style. Don't get me wrong: I would love it if women were actually sincerely slutting it out, but that's not the case. They're all waiting on long term relationships or getting married, and stressing everybody out in the process. The occasional actual sluts usually have major insecurities or issues, hence the bad rap. If women want to hang out with the big boys (e.g. the playas), who are only doing what they've always, and sincerely wanted, then they should leave the commitment stuff alone and engage in casual sex with no commitment pressures on equal footing. I am yet to be convinced that this is ever going to happen.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 The difference between a slut (a woman) and a player (a man), is the utter lack of sincerety in the former. Women would like to pretend that they're all liberated and don't need men for anything but playmates, but in reality they're just fooling themselves and end up miserable, Sex and the city style. Don't get me wrong: I would love it if women were actually sincerely slutting it out, but that's not the case. They're all waiting on long term relationships or getting married, and stressing everybody out in the process. The occasional actual sluts usually have major insecurities or issues, hence the bad rap. If women want to hang out with the big boys (e.g. the playas), who are only doing what they've always, and sincerely wanted, then they should leave the commitment stuff alone and engage in casual sex with no commitment pressures on equal footing. I am yet to be convinced that this is ever going to happen. Almost as if they're trying to imitate something they are not, a male right? Males have been slutting around since the dawn of mankind but it doesn't really seem like typical behavior for women which is why they get looked down upon for doing it. Is this what you're trying to convey?
Sam Spade Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Almost as if they're trying to imitate something they are not, a male right? Males have been slutting around since the dawn of mankind but it doesn't really seem like typical behavior for women which is why they get looked down upon for doing it. Is this what you're trying to convey? No, just saying that they're not sincere in actually wanting to slut it out. I would be happy if they were. And the negative connotations come from the handful who are slutting it out for all the wrong reasons.
BobSacamento Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 The way I always looked at it: A Slut or Player uses sex for personal gain.
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