Men stay attractive longer then women and Peek later in life

March 9, 2009

Well just f**king kill me now then ! Apparantly my dating days are well and truly over

Nothing is absolute but you have to admit, does your recent experience not bear this out? I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic, and for what it's worth I still believe you've got what it takes.

March 9, 2009

Older women are fantastic, I'd happily date an older woman, there's a lot of women who just keep getting better with age.

I've dated older women, I never said otherwise. Would you marry one?

March 9, 2009

Okay, maybe I'm just crazy but I'm 32 and before 30 I wasn't even thinking about marriage.

Hope that works out for you, a lot of women are finding it's hard to get a husband after a certain point in life but there are always exceptions.

March 9, 2009

Yes.

Ah well nice. Most men would not consider it unless they can't date anything else. How much older would you be willing to go? What age range can you successfully date? I've dated 16-56 in my dating life, 19-31 recently, and for marriage I prefer mid 20s. I'm early in my 40s and have no problems with balding, excessive gray hair, wrinkles etc. .

How about you? What age range can you date? Have you cared for yourself? How old are you? How much older would you date? How much older would you marry? Do you want (more) children?

March 9, 2009

Nothing is absolute but you have to admit, does your recent experience not bear this out? I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic, and for what it's worth I still believe you've got what it takes.

I do not believe that has anything to do with my age and not being attractive and not peaking later in life, as men are said too!

Yes age may with some be an issue but its more that its my age bracket (being baby years in some mens eyes and those men being cowardly not to bother to get to know me and what I want or do not want), not that I am too old. And its not that I haven't had plenty of dates, its just they (men) seem to have issues with dating beyond one or two dates, for previous mentioned reasons.......so thats mens bad, not mine.

If I was 40+ then I can probably guarantee I would be going on plenty of dates, there certainly is plenty of single men over 40 around, even got dam ugly ones!

March 9, 2009

22

I have attracted 19 to 36 years olds.

Yes, I look younger than I actually am according to widespread opinion.

Eight or so years, I guess...

The same as the above.

I want children in the future.

So are you seriously ready to get married at 22? When I was your age I dated older women as well. It's not the same as courting with a view to marriage.

As for the 8 years or so ... 22+8 = 30, and as I've stated, much over 30 and most men become a lot less interested. Would you marry a 35 year old woman? I'm betting no but you might say yes to be contrary.

If you wait until you are 30 to marry would you marry a 38 year old and expect to have kids? If you are 34, would you marry a 42 year old with that same expectation?

March 9, 2009

If I was 40+ then I can probably guarantee I would be going on plenty of dates, there certainly is plenty of single men over 40 around, even got dam ugly ones!

In other words, if you would date older men you could get dates. I'm sorry if that's harsh but I'm just trying to be realistic with you. I actually like you as a person from what I've seen here.

March 9, 2009

I think that what comes across a 'disdain' towards older women has its roots not so much in over-emphasising youth in relationship, but in the fact that many women consciously (or unconsciously) squander the prime relationhsip-building time of their mid to late 20s, assuming that they have "all the time in the world", burning through boyfriends like it's nobody's business, disguised as "finding themselves". Then *all of a sudden* around 30 they're getting all marriage oriented. For me this type of attitude, not the actual age, is the chief reason to be wary because it reveals selfishness. It all makes sense from economic point of view (you delay cashing out until the returns to your endowments begin to approach zero), but given how hard it is to find and build good relationship, it is pretty risky strategy to cut it this close time-wise. All else equal, a woman in her mid to late 20s might be more convincing in her motivations to get married for all the right reasons than a woman in her mid thirties and thereafter.

March 9, 2009

I think that what comes across a 'disdain' towards older women has its roots not so much in over-emphasising youth in relationship, but in the fact that many women consciously (or unconsciously) squander the prime relationhsip-building time of their mid to late 20s, assuming that they have "all the time in the world", burning through boyfriends like it's nobody's business, disguised as "finding themselves". Then *all of a sudden* around 30 they're getting all marriage oriented.

Funny enough I've used the term squandered in this precise context myself. Nature has given women in those years a huge edge, they can literally lead men around with a wink and many modern women tend to use that gift as some sort of recreational plaything rather than using it to make a man form a durable pair bond. Then once the sand is noticeably running out of the glass ...

.... given how hard it is to find and build good relationship, it is pretty risky strategy to cut it this close time-wise. All else equal, a woman in her mid to late 20s might be more convincing in her motivations to get married for all the right reasons than a woman in her mid thirties and thereafter.

They find that many of the 'good' men are already paired off and they are competing with women a decade or so their junior for the men who are not attached. I'm sure it's a harsh thing to wake up to but my sympathy is muted a little, in much the same way I feel bad about a lottery winner who has squandered their fortune.

March 9, 2009

Well 18 is pretty young, but 28 is not unreasonable.

I's not unreasonable for a man to be settled down by that time as well. I actually think too often today more men now then ever want to live the life of extended adolence rather then grow up. There is no reason for a 28 year old man not to be mature enough to have adult relationships that consist of more then just sex and to be married by that time.

Do you have esteem issues? I never said older women are crap. They are a hard sell on the marriage market though, so if being married is important then a woman would be wise to move before she gets too far past 30.

That's a long way from your banshee-like shriek "he says older women are WORTHLESS" isn't it?

Do *you* have esteem issues? Who are you to be so presumptious and say that a woman hasn't been trying to find a good guy to connect with on a deeper level before and up to that age? Even if she hasn't found him by 30?

And no, it's really not a long way from saying older women are worthless. You think men are more deserving of love and companionship over a certain age that you do not think women are. That tells alot about what you consider the worth of a man or woman to be. You think I am shrieking? That's fine because I think your comments are rather shrieky themselves.

They are a hard sell on the marriage market though, so if being married is important then a woman would be wise to move before she gets too far past 30.

From my experience, older men are also a hard sell. Lets not perpuate the myth shall we.

Most men seem OK, but then I'm not dating them so maybe I overlooked something. The biggest problem I notice for men is draconian divorce realities that put fear into our collective hearts.

I'm not too sure what you mean by "most men seem okay". Most men are okay and deserving of love and most women are what....have to work for it and only deserve it in a limited time frame? And what does divorce have to do with my sentence you qouted anyway.

No woman on the face of this earth, young or old, wants to be stuck with man that will always be wanting 18 year old girls if he is over the age of 25 himself.

Again they are not worthless at all, but they are less desirable to date with an eye toward marriage. Not at all the same thing.

So they are good for a good time only then? They shouldn't expect or desire to have a true companion that treats them like the are special and beautiful once they hit 30? And all those 40 year old women out there that have been married 15+ years should be thankful for the scraps of affection their men keep tossing them even though they aged? You keep saying that they aren't worthless but that's pretty much what the statement is adding up to everytime you make a comment. You think women are less deseriving of love and companionship or marriage after a certain age but you think men are always deserving of these things. The message is clear in what you consider the worth of a woman, obviously not very much. And what you consider the worth of a man,which you value much more highly.

Presumable you won't be single forever either. It's my personal opinion that a man should start looking to get married about 30, after his career is in order and his life is sorted out, and he should be looking at women 6-12 years his junior.

Well, maybe I will. Maybe I won't. I do know that I won't settle because someone thinks I need to be married by a certain age to be considered a worthwhile human being and woman.

Perhaps a man should have his life sorted out before he hits 30. That seems like an awfully big leeway that you want to give men and little leeway you want to give women. In all honesty, by 30, the man should already be wel lsorted out and if he isn't, perhaps he isn't the kind of man that could have a mature adult relationship. 30 isn't 18. For a man anymore then it is a woman. By then, he has had plenty of time to have his life managed poorly or well.

Again this is a gross misrepresentation. Starting a life together with a 40 year old woman and continuing the life you started 15 years ago with a 40 year old woman are completely different things. One I'd love to do, the other I'd never consider.

Either way, sounds like women loose. Who wants to be with a man when he thinks women are crap after a certain age. We can't win no matter what we do. We turn 40 either way. So you know what..like I said you win as a man..women loose. Hope this makes you feel better. I know as a girl in her 20s, it makes me feel even mroe discouraged with the state of men that are out there today and less hopfull of finding a man that appreicates himself and truly values and appreicates women.

March 9, 2009

I's not unreasonable for a man to be settled down by that time as well. I actually think too often today more men now then ever want to live the life of extended adolence rather then grow up. There is no reason for a 28 year old man not to be mature enough to have adult relationships that consist of more then just sex and to be married by that time.

Do *you* have esteem issues? Who are you to be so presumptious and say that a woman hasn't been trying to find a good guy to connect with on a deeper level before and up to that age? Even if she hasn't found him by 30?

And no, it's really not a long way from saying older women are worthless. You think men are more deserving of love and companionship over a certain age that you do not think women are. That tells alot about what you consider the worth of a man or woman to be. You think I am shrieking? That's fine because I think your comments are rather shrieky themselves.

From my experience, older men are also a hard sell. Lets not perpuate the myth shall we.

I'm not too sure what you mean by "most men seem okay". Most men are okay and deserving of love and most women are what....have to work for it and only deserve it in a limited time frame? And what does divorce have to do with my sentence you qouted anyway.

No woman on the face of this earth, young or old, wants to be stuck with man that will always be wanting 18 year old girls if he is over the age of 25 himself.

So they are good for a good time only then? They shouldn't expect or desire to have a true companion that treats them like the are special and beautiful once they hit 30? And all those 40 year old women out there that have been married 15+ years should be thankful for the scraps of affection their men keep tossing them even though they aged? You keep saying that they aren't worthless but that's pretty much what the statement is adding up to everytime you make a comment. You think women are less deseriving of love and companionship or marriage after a certain age but you think men are always deserving of these things. The message is clear in what you consider the worth of a woman, obviously not very much. And what you consider the worth of a man,which you value much more highly.

Well, maybe I will. Maybe I won't. I do know that I won't settle because someone thinks I need to be married by a certain age to be considered a worthwhile human being and woman.

Perhaps a man should have his life sorted out before he hits 30. That seems like an awfully big leeway that you want to give men and little leeway you want to give women. In all honesty, by 30, the man should already be wel lsorted out and if he isn't, perhaps he isn't the kind of man that could have a mature adult relationship. 30 isn't 18. For a man anymore then it is a woman. By then, he has had plenty of time to have his life managed poorly or well.

Either way, sounds like women loose. Who wants to be with a man when he thinks women are crap after a certain age. We can't win no matter what we do. We turn 40 either way. So you know what..like I said you win as a man..women loose. Hope this makes you feel better. I know as a girl in her 20s, it makes me feel even mroe discouraged with the state of men that are out there today and less hopfull of finding a man that appreicates himself and truly values and appreicates women.

I understand that the topic stirs strong sentiments, but that's no reason to ignore the rules of logic so violently. Pragmatically considering the multitude of variables that come into play in marriage decisions - age being one of them - has absolutely no connection with one's perceptions of other's worth. Mother Theresa, when she was alive, was a wonderful and remarkable and inspiring human being, regardless of her age. Would I want to marry her? Nope.

March 9, 2009

Samspade

How is it selfish to want to settle down at a specific time? I agree that "burning through boyfriends" as though you're immortal and superhuman is rather thoughtless, but I'm afraid twentysomething men do the same thing. I suspect a big reason that women delay marriage in this day and age has more to do with the fact that they want to find a responsible and good man, as well as the fact that both men and women find it harder to establish themselves financially, with today's "long adolescence" as well as the bad economy.

You and CLV are contradicting yourselves--on the one hand you say women overemphasize marriage in a relationship, but on the other hand you say they need to emphasize it more. ???

I agree that both men and women are marrying too late--but there are so many factors that go into this, that I don't understand how you can call women selfish for marrying later. What's selfish is marrying someone only for looks or money. That's selfish.

I think most women given the choice would meet the right person before 30 rather than after--but it's a hell of a lot better to meet them at 35 than not at all.

March 9, 2009

So before we begin our arduous journey I'd like you to try and keep firmly in mind that there is a difference between starting a new relationship and maintaining an existing one. This seems key to most of our misunderstandings.

So lock that in now.

I's not unreasonable for a man to be settled down by that time as well. I actually think too often today more men now then ever want to live the life of extended adolence rather then grow up. There is no reason for a 28 year old man not to be mature enough to have adult relationships that consist of more then just sex and to be married by that time.

I disagree, I believe it's the mans responsibility to be able to provide for his family and very few men have their career and life in order well enough to do so much before the age of 30.

Do *you* have esteem issues? Who are you to be so presumptious and say that a woman hasn't been trying to find a good guy to connect with on a deeper level before and up to that age? Even if she hasn't found him by 30?

In my experience it's very unusual for a woman aged 30 and not deformed to have not dismissed multiple suitors.

And no, it's really not a long way from saying older women are worthless. You think men are more deserving of love and companionship over a certain age that you do not think women are.

It has nothing to do with 'deserving' at all. I don't really do deserving, yes or no, I really don't believe in it most of the time. If you stop incorrectly guessing what I think and read what I write it would simplify this a lot.

I think it's progressively harder for a older woman to find a husband, but easy for her to get dates. Additionally the potential husbands that are on the market for her will be more heavily competed for. these factors exist for men as well, indeed I believe it's probably as hard for an older man to to get a date as it is for an older woman to do so; easy for both.

Finding a MARRIAGE MATE is in my experience a much tougher row to hoe for an older woman, however.

From my experience, older men are also a hard sell. Lets not perpuate the myth shall we.

See above. You are right, although getting a date is easy, it's probably always harder for a man than a woman at any age. Many older men on the other hand don't CARE about getting married. I never hear men complain that 'she won't commit' or 'this relationship is going nowhere'.

It is almost the mantra of the 30+ woman however.

I'm not too sure what you mean by "most men seem okay". Most men are okay and deserving of love and most women are what....have to work for it and only deserve it in a limited time frame?

Most men are more OK with their lot in dating life at age 40 than most women seem to be. Many of my peers only care about dating and either passively or actively avoid the prospect of marriage. Women usually want a husband at some point.

No woman on the face of this earth, young or old, wants to be stuck with man that will always be wanting 18 year old girls if he is over the age of 25 himself.

In my experience most men prefer to start a relationship with a woman in her 20s if they can. However starting a relationship and maintaining one are distinctly different things. Remember the note at the start?

So they are good for a good time only then? They shouldn't expect or desire to have a true companion that treats them like the are special and beautiful once they hit 30? And all those 40 year old women out there that have been married 15+ years should be thankful for the scraps of affection their men keep tossing them even though they aged?

No, not at all. Those 40 year old women who are celebrating 15 years of wedded bliss spent their youth wisely and are possibly reaping the reward. They have created a strong bond with a man who loves them and wants to put their interests at least on a par with his own, if they selected wisely and lived up to their vows.

Either way, sounds like women loose. Who wants to be with a man when he thinks women are crap after a certain age. We can't win no matter what we do. We turn 40 either way. So you know what..like I said you win as a man..women loose. Hope this makes you feel better. I know as a girl in her 20s, it makes me feel even mroe discouraged with the state of men that are out there today and less hopfull of finding a man that appreicates himself and truly values and appreicates women.

Lose, loose implies something else.

If you insist on seeing malice where none exists your life will be less happy than it otherwise could be.

March 9, 2009

You and CLV are contradicting yourselves--on the one hand you say women overemphasize marriage in a relationship, but on the other hand you say they need to emphasize it more. ???

I and SS are different people, I never meant to imply women are too marriage minded, indeed I think modern women are not enough so until after a certain age.

March 9, 2009

I and SS are different people, I never meant to imply women are too marriage minded, indeed I think modern women are not enough so until after a certain age.

I agree to a point, actually. But blame the culture, don't blame individual women.

March 9, 2009

I could have gotten married at 27yrs old, but I decided that staying alive and without broken bones or anymore bruises, kickings and punches was more important.

Also I look better at my current age than I did all those years ago so have gotten better with age, more attractive, slimmer, fitter, more stylish, more confident, better looking.

March 9, 2009

I agree to a point, actually. But blame the culture, don't blame individual women.

I don't blame them but I recognize the reality that women pay more heavily for this cultural aberration than men do.

March 9, 2009

I don't blame them but I recognize the reality that women pay more heavily for this cultural aberration than men do.

Yeah. They do. But at the same time I think you're overstating the problem... there are far more important considerations in marriage, than age of the woman. It's up to each couple to decide whether they want kids and if so, that can delay marriage until a time when they're financially ready.

If you weren't so black and white in your statements, I bet a lot of people here would actually agree with you, that there IS a bit of a problem. I think many people in their twenties who serially date are desperately unhappy due to this "culture" of disposable relationships. Furthermore, though I personally think marriage at any age is fine, I don't think having kids at 40 is generally a good idea.

March 9, 2009

Yeah. They do. But at the same time I think you're overstating the problem... there are far more important considerations in marriage, than age of the woman.

Perhaps if we lived in a rational world, but in reality while there are many other considerations I'm not convinced there are any given 'far more' weight, indeed I'm not sure age isn't near the top in practice.

It's up to each couple to decide whether they want kids and if so, that can delay marriage until a time when they're financially ready.

If you weren't so black and white in your statements, I bet a lot of people here would actually agree with you, that there IS a bit of a problem.

I'm pretty sure you're right but I want to stimulate discussion, and I don't do gray all that well. A bunch of people standing around nodding won't discover anything worth finding.

I think many people in their twenties who serially date are desperately unhappy due to this "culture" of disposable relationships. Furthermore, though I personally think marriage at any age is fine, I don't think having kids at 40 is generally a good idea.

All agreed.

March 9, 2009

Samspade
How is it selfish to want to settle down at a specific time? I agree that "burning through boyfriends" as though you're immortal and superhuman is rather thoughtless, but I'm afraid twentysomething men do the same thing. I suspect a big reason that women delay marriage in this day and age has more to do with the fact that they want to find a responsible and good man, as well as the fact that both men and women find it harder to establish themselves financially, with today's "long adolescence" as well as the bad economy.

You and CLV are contradicting yourselves--on the one hand you say women overemphasize marriage in a relationship, but on the other hand you say they need to emphasize it more. ???

I agree that both men and women are marrying too late--but there are so many factors that go into this, that I don't understand how you can call women selfish for marrying later. What's selfish is marrying someone only for looks or money. That's selfish.

I think most women given the choice would meet the right person before 30 rather than after--but it's a hell of a lot better to meet them at 35 than not at all.

Poor choice of words on my side, and not the central issue. And I'm not saying that men are innocent - the world is full with disgusting 30-40 year old boys. But, as far as relationships in the 20s are concerned, women are a lot more likely to terminate them for vague or no reason at all, in large part just because it is tempting to think that they'll be as hot as they are then forever, and therefore could perpetually "do as good or better" (some do, some find that it is not true until it's a bit late).

Edit: nevermind, I agree with the entirety of the you-clv exchange that followed.

March 10, 2009

..... many women consciously (or unconsciously) squander the prime relationhsip-building time of their mid to late 20s, assuming that they have "all the time in the world", burning through boyfriends like it's nobody's business, disguised as "finding themselves". Then *all of a sudden* around 30 they're getting all marriage oriented. For me this type of attitude, not the actual age, is the chief reason to be wary because it reveals selfishness.

OMG, cut us a break. We are people. We aren't trying to give men the off. I might has well throw in the towel now if this is seriously how men feel about women.

Apparently it's okay if men get marriage oriented in their 30s. (Please remember that by age 30-35 men's sperm is on the decline). It's okay if men squander their time acting more like boys then men in their 20s and 30s and then it's okay for them to marry someone 10 years younger? That seems to be what you are advocating. But it's not okay for women to wait until their 30s to want to be married?

I find it very insulting that you think all women have squandered their time and therefore are undeserving of affection, companionship and love because of an opinion that rather see women taken down a notch then treated like people with feelings. We are people. Just like you. And no less deserving to be loved and cared for. I think some of the guys here have forgotten that. Or think that women don't deserve it. Quite discouraging overall.

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So before we begin our arduous journey I'd like you to try and keep firmly in mind that there is a difference between starting a new relationship and maintaining an existing one. This seems key to most of our misunderstandings.

It really isn't. I completely understand what you've been saying about this. And I actually find the statement hypocritical. No offense to you but I don't want to be with a man in his 40s that already has had certain life experiences and that I can't grow with. Women aren't in the 1950s anymore and need to be supported. Less women marry for money then they might once have. That's not something only you are entitled to desire, having a partner to grow with instead of getting one past their prime. And honestly, 40 is past their prime for a man or a woman.

I will say, I think that since you seem to consider older women so worthless, any feelings you might have for an aging wife will always be tainted because on some level, you will consider her less of a woman for it.

I disagree, I believe it's the mans responsibility to be able to provide for his family and very few men have their career and life in order well enough to do so much before the age of 30.

That's because too many men rather act like boys then men now-a-days. There is no reason why a man of 28-32 shouldn't have his life in order and be a responsible adult.

In my experience it's very unusual for a woman aged 30 and not deformed to have not dismissed multiple suitors

.

You've never dismissed a woman before? On multiple occasions? Women

aren't the only ones that reject men. Men reject women. And I think it's very arrogant to assume that you know the reasons why a woman did not want to see a man or new he would not be a good mate for her.

It has nothing to do with 'deserving' at all. I don't really do deserving, yes or no, I really don't believe in it most of the time. If you stop incorrectly guessing what I think and read what I write it would simplify this a lot.

Actually, it is about deserving. You think women that are older are less deserving of having such hugely human things like love and companionship.

I think it's progressively harder for a older woman to find a husband, but easy for her to get dates.

I think the same is true of men actually. I have run into my fair share of men that were late 30s or early 40s and desperate to settle down and have families and new they were not getting any younger. They were interested in me on deeper levels but I was not interested in them on that level. ALthough they were fun to date. I don't mind dating older men. I will not be marrying one. I see what my mother goes through with my father and she is still young and wants to do things and he is just old and doesn't want to. And actually, that is a common compliant with women in their later years that married older men. I have had so many women tell me not to marry an older man, to marry a man more my age. Because as you get older, the faster you age and he will hit the wall while I am still in my prime loving life.

Finding a MARRIAGE MATE is in my experience a much tougher row to hoe for an older woman, however.

As someone that has experience dating older men, I can tell you it's just as difficult for men and there are many men out there that are marriage minded.

Most men are more OK with their lot in dating life at age 40 than most women seem to be. Many of my peers only care about dating and either passively or actively avoid the prospect of marriage. Women usually want a husband at some point

.

That is pretty much the only thing you said that might be correct. It's largely because men today do not want to take pride or responsibility anymore. Too many take the easy way out. Too many men now-a-days don't want to take responsibility for themselves, none the less, a woman. Which is quite sad if you think about it.

In my experience most men prefer to start a relationship with a woman in her 20s if they can. However starting a relationship and maintaining one are distinctly different things. Remember the note at the start?

Yes, I remember your comments about the worthlessness of women previously. And how women are only worthy of love and companionship when they are 20 but after that we deserved to be crapped on. To be honest, there isn't a woman alive that wants to be with a man that only wants to be with her in her 20s, whether a relationship is developed or not. There is no reason for a 20 year old woman to waste her time with a 40+ year old man. He is, at that point, way past his prime. Now a man in his early 30s is a different story.

Lose, loose implies something else.

If you insist on seeing malice where none exists your life will be less happy than it otherwise could be

We both know you knew what I meant.

Actually, I think unfortunetly quite a few men here have alot of malice for women in general. It's sad to come on this board and see the kind of comments some of the men make about women and how they want to comment on what they want our lack of worth to be and in the same sentence try to speak themselves up as if they deserve the world merely for being themselves. Your message is clear. You believe men to be more deserving of love and companionship then you believe women to be.

In all honestly, why would any woman want to be with a man that can't even appreciate women his own age? It's like he is even rejecting his own age and that's a complete turn off.

March 10, 2009

OMG, cut us a break. We are people. We aren't trying to give men the off. I might has well throw in the towel now if this is seriously how men feel about women.

Apparently it's okay if men get marriage oriented in their 30s. (Please remember that by age 30-35 men's sperm is on the decline)

http://www.enews20.com/news_Men_over_40_Face_Fertility_Problems_French_Study_Says_09160.html

ive noticed that all my older female friends who easily conceived happened to have younger husbands....

March 10, 2009

Men remain sexualy attractive for a longer time span then women, Men also peak in attractiveness later in life then women. Maybe its an evelutionary advantage since womens best reproductive years are when they are young and men can reproduce throughout their life if fertile and given the oportunity.

says... you!

and you are a COMPLETE IDIOT!!! and I'm not even talking about your poor grammar and misspelled words (7... or more, I lost count!) I don't even want to waste my time and try to debate about this crap with you.. but in the future you might want to keep your narrow-minded generalizations to yourself... if you ever want any kind of respect! :mad:

March 10, 2009

dude you're a troll and a tool

probably a plant by loveshack to keep up posts

actually im rare for guys my age
... lots of guys let themselves go to *****

its chicks who try harder and stay hotter longer these days

right on!!!

March 10, 2009

i think the mods should be ashamed to let this troll keep starting so many absurd an dhateful threads.

time to move to Enotalone.

where the mods actually give a darn.

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