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Men should be knights and protectors and women should be princesses. Men should take care of the family, of the wife and the chiuldren, earn money. And women should take care after children, household and earn some money if they have the wish.

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Woggle, why not just admit that your mother was a nutbar and your father did nothing to stop her abusive behaviour? Your mother found a way to vent her venom, by being a misandrist. If not that, she would have found something else.

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Didn't we want equality? I'm all for equality and justice, genuinely and not sarcastically.

 

As far as the rest of your post - who said that gender equality is all benefit and no cost?

 

(Warning: Explicit)

 

"Chivalry is dead. And women killed it." -Dave Chappelle

 

" 'Why does the guy make a dollar more an hour to do the exact same job, huh?' 'It's a dollar-an-hour surcharge...You hear a bump in the night, I have to go check it out: "Yes he does have a knife." " -Bill Burr

 

Just my 2 cents here--let's not have a gender war about it.

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If you're going to complain about "men being women", then you'll have to turn in your complaint cards about men watching porn, men wanting only sex, men acting like jerks, men having hobbies (how many times do we hear about women complaining about men caring about their cars more than their wives? If a guy likes taking care of his car, then don't b!tch about it. It's his hobby), men not being in touch with their "feelings", oh and you can't complain about men "liking only skinny women" (that's what's sexually attractive to many of us).

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Woogle is right about many things.

I was just watching TV, and in the space of about an hour registered at least 3 man-hating/disrespectful advertisments, all directed to women (of course).(cereal, yoghurt, and folding blackberry). If my woman ever shows me the attitude the women in those ads had, I'll pack her bags.

 

I have no problem with being a proper vintage gentleman/family man, but not unless the woman I'm with does her share of being a demure, family oriented girl. It just does not add up to have women experiment with a whole new set of roles and identities (which is fine), and expect men to be stuck in their traditional roles.

 

Of course, there is the occasional Ken of the world, the perfect stepford husband. Typically from the northeast, rich parents, good career, slightly retarded (due to inbreeding), very handsome and masculine, but needing direction, readily provided by a woman.

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And the Kens get cheated on left and right and get no respect at home.

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Hi LS,

"Thinking you a man, Acting like a b/tch"

 

 

Hahahahahaha! :lmao:

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Hi LS,

i notice that if a man is dating a woman and she gets upset about something he did or said....the guy will....stop talking to her for a while or...get upset because she mentioned it....even if she did it nicely. He just wants her to shut up and deal with the bul/s on her own.

 

 

I tend to stop talking when I am being hassled for no good reason or when I know she is in the wrong.

 

Why? because us men, if we fight back and let our feelings be known are seen as controlling jerks, and some would even call a man that yells back, or says anything in defense as "abusive".

 

Why do I stop talking? Because she can't stand it when I am not talking. It makes her step back and take a look at her behavior. I usually say something like, "until you apologize, I have nothing to say to you"

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"until you apologize, I have nothing to say to you"

 

That actually works. Usually that's when I know I've been a b/tch.

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Sometimes you just can't reason with a woman so why deal with her. My cat is more reasonable and logical than most women when they are angry.

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I kind of see what you're saying. I've noticed men these days are more in tune with their feelings, which is great and all but there's something else I can't quite put my finger on....

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I tend to stop talking when I am being hassled for no good reason or when I know she is in the wrong.

 

Why? because us men, if we fight back and let our feelings be known are seen as controlling jerks, and some would even call a man that yells back, or says anything in defense as "abusive".

 

Why do I stop talking? Because she can't stand it when I am not talking. It makes her step back and take a look at her behavior. I usually say something like, "until you apologize, I have nothing to say to you"

 

 

That's so true.

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Communication is important. But it seems to me sometimes, that women and society, have insisted that unless men and women are communicating the same way - we arent communicating.

 

That just isnt true. When we communicate the same way, we get men sounding like women or complete silence between partners.

 

I take a lot of advice from someone my husband often refers to:

 

"Communication. Thats the problem in a lot of marriages. Tooo Much Communication."

- Homer Simpson

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Quite honestly, I think men aren’t being men anymore because we have lost many of our roles to women and are confused as to what our new roles should be. Women don’t really have this problem, as they haven’t lost any of their roles. On the contrary, they are now they are taking on some of the typical male roles. Roles used to be more defined and obvious for men.

 

Some men listen to the feminists and try to become the sweet, sensitive pushover. Others rebel and become alpha males with little regard for women. Most do some degree of both. For a while I tried the first method because that's what women in the media and women around me were saying they wanted. I didn't want to be the pig or the guy who was only looking for one thing. And I discovered I was always the nice guy watching on the side as the alpha males went through women left and right. Now I have changed a bit and am acting more alpha male. It really has amazed me how much better it works in attracting women.

 

So I advise men to continue not listening to what women say they want because if you do you will be as confused as hell. Just find a happy medium between alpha male and sensitive male, but err on the side of alpha male.

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So I advise men to continue not listening to what women say they want because if you do you will be as confused as hell. Just find a happy medium between alpha male and sensitive male, but err on the side of alpha male.

 

Yes, as condescending as it sounds, women do not know what they want. (If they did, we'd be doing it and then everybody would be happy.) So, the only logical alternative is to take charge and address relationship as we see them and not worry too much about pleasing everybody at all times. Perhaps what women truly want is a guy who is in control, but that would be embarassing to admit publicly?

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That actually works. Usually that's when I know I've been a b/tch.

 

And if my way of handling it gets the job done and is considered "girly", then so be it.

 

And by not talking to my SO when she is in the wrong and won't admit it isn't to get her to feel like a "b!tch", its to get the issue resolved so I can talk to her again...among other things:rolleyes:

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fral, it's not as simple as alphas being uncaring arseholes and betas being pushovers and doormats to women.

 

Men can be alphas without being doormats. Feminism isn't about riding roughshod over men for who they are. It's about gaining equality in the work place, where dangle doesn't define a higher pay scale for equal work.

 

When I see the extremism on LS, the petulance from some men, the determination to stick to victimhood and Peter Pan syndrome, it's no wonder women don't find that kind of attitude attractive.

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Sometimes you just can't reason with a woman so why deal with her. My cat is more reasonable and logical than most women when they are angry.

 

Do what James Bond would do.

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I have noticed that so called men these day are more and more acting like they are the women in relationship.

indeed....

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I do think this is a great thread by the way......

 

What's insane is it's kind of a damn if you do damn'd if you don't situation. I think I'm an amazing guy, but kind of suffer from a little of the doormat personality. The hard part is if you don't show interest in a girl because of the fear of looking too pressed, poof! she's going to walk away. Show too much interest.....POOF! she's still going to walk away.

 

For example, I'm casually dating a girl and I've made my intentions clear, that I would like to see more of her etc etc. She's agreed and would like to make more free time, but how far do I chase or pursue her, esp when it isn't exclusive......where is the middle ground?

 

I mean, I like to feel that I'm a perfect combination of sensitive and allowing for my own personal space and life (does that make sense). But at the same time, when you want to be with someone, I see no reason to fight it.....

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Yes, as condescending as it sounds, women do not know what they want. (If they did, we'd be doing it and then everybody would be happy.) So, the only logical alternative is to take charge and address relationship as we see them and not worry too much about pleasing everybody at all times. Perhaps what women truly want is a guy who is in control, but that would be embarassing to admit publicly?

 

Well said, Sam Spade.

 

I don't think women don't know what they want - just that what they SAY they want and what they want are incongruous. A lot of weak men listen to what women say they want.

 

A man has to be his own man regardless of whether a woman wants to come along for the ride. The moment he gets needy, he becomes feminine.

 

Unfortunately, there are also a lot of women out there who are penis-less males. I want a woman who is feminine, too, so I have to sift through a lot of bitchy women to get to the quality ones.

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Well said, Sam Spade.

 

I don't think women don't know what they want - just that what they SAY they want and what they want are incongruous. A lot of weak men listen to what women say they want.

 

A man has to be his own man regardless of whether a woman wants to come along for the ride. The moment he gets needy, he becomes feminine.

 

Unfortunately, there are also a lot of women out there who are penis-less males. I want a woman who is feminine, too, so I have to sift through a lot of bitchy women to get to the quality ones.

 

 

I wasn't aware of your avatar, so I had no conscious intention to steal it. But, the fact that more than one guy have chosen that particular character to identify with, if just tongue in cheek, is amusingly relevant for this thread. Sam Spade is awesome (just like most other Bogie characters.) Most contemporary women would shun him, but he'd be okay with it.

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fral, it's not as simple as alphas being uncaring arseholes and betas being pushovers and doormats to women.

 

I didn't say it was. I acknowledge the extremes and most people fall in the degrees in between. Ideally everyone would be able to strike a balance, but in reality few people do. So if you’re a guy you will achieve more success (relationship wise) with women by being more of an “uncaring arsehole” as you put it. If you’re more of a sensitive, soft man you’ll like find a lot of female friends but will attract few for relationships.

 

Feminism isn't about riding roughshod over men for who they are. It's about gaining equality in the work place, where dangle doesn't define a higher pay scale for equal work.

 

I’m sure feminism started with (and still has) good intentions. Intentions don't really matter, though, it's the results that count. It's hard to deny some of the results have negatively affected men.

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I’m sure feminism started with (and still has) good intentions. Intentions don't really matter, though, it's the results that count. It's hard to deny some of the results have negatively affected men.

 

Perhaps a lot of the difference of opinion is coming from this predominantly male indifference to motive. I know I and most other men don't care about motive, we tend to care about outcomes. If women didn't vote I'm convinced we'd never have hate crime laws.

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I didn't say it was. I acknowledge the extremes and most people fall in the degrees in between. Ideally everyone would be able to strike a balance, but in reality few people do. So if you’re a guy you will achieve more success (relationship wise) with women by being more of an “uncaring arsehole” as you put it. If you’re more of a sensitive, soft man you’ll like find a lot of female friends but will attract few for relationships.
Extremism breeds extremism. Cynicism comes from a sensitive man who's been hurt in the past. Continued cynicism only hurts the sensitive man.

 

A man who has a sense of who he is, confident in who he is, is attractive and if he's willing to assert himself, those are the combined traits that make him alpha.

 

What I'm seeing more than anything, are overly-sensitive men who confuse being confident and assertive with a strong sense of self, as uncaring arseholes. An uncaring arsehole treats people like crap. That's not the case with a man who's a balanced alpha. He doesn't need to treat people like crap to self-leverage.

 

I’m sure feminism started with (and still has) good intentions. Intentions don't really matter, though, it's the results that count. It's hard to deny some of the results have negatively affected men.

Is it all about what feminism has done or is it about holding onto victimhood? It's [insert stereotypical group of people you want to blame] everyone else's fault...

 

Why not just make your own way through life? This is what my fiancé is like. He's strong and confident, grounded within himself. He's created opportunities for himself in life, in that he's a self-made partner, even though he could have ridden the coat tails of his family but chose not to.

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