popey Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 popey, being part of a man's turf is biological. The reverse should also hold true. In my relationship, I'm his and he's mine. No third parties allowed. I don't know what source of data or other reasoning you base the first assertion on. I certainly am not of the same opinion at all. The rest of your statement is a statement of your chosen relationship. good for you. so what? Sorry if the words come across disrespectful in print. Not what I'm trying to do. I just don't get any point here.
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 I don't know what source of data or other reasoning you base the first assertion on. I certainly am not of the same opinion at all. The rest of your statement is a statement of your chosen relationship. good for you. so what? Sorry if the words come across disrespectful in print. Not what I'm trying to do. I just don't get any point here. Are you suggesting that it's not instinctual for men to mark their turf? This is biologically instinctual for many mammals, including humans. It keeps the other contending males away. It's what alpha males do within the animal kingdom. If I were to look at this from personal experience, when a man is willing to introduce you around as his, in his own way, whether he calls you his girlfriend, his SO, his woman or fiancée, he's proud to be with you. Any man that hides your relationship, isn't all that serious about you.
clv0116 Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Not so long ago I got royally reamed for saying "my wife", "my family" and "my girlfriend". I still believe they are perfectly acceptable turns of phrase.
popey Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 your missing my poine TBF. and to constrain human expectations based on behavioral traits of other animals is absurd IMO. There are a great many things that other species do or don't do which human history defies for both good and bad. the "pick and choose" logic of that argument just doesn't work for me. We are like animals ... we're not just animals .... its silly to me. and please forgive me for signing off now. work tomrow... ugh.
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree, popey. Perhaps it's the type of men each one of us prefers. I'm big on alphas and territorial males. Not everyone is.
Chicago_Guy Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 The extent of sense of entitlement is suprising and troubling. I wonder where it comes from? Perhaps the inadequate boomer parenting? Anyway, it is unfortunate that many men accept it as a fact of life and try to adjust. The final result is not good for anybody. The surprising thing that I have noticed is that many of the women with the worst sense of entitlement are way past their "sweet spot" prime age of 25-30 when they are generally the most physically desirable. I know women in their mid-late 30s who aren't married and constantly complain about never meeting any "good guys." Of course, these women often have a ridiculous sense of entitlement and an overall bad attitude and are still waiting for a hot "Prince Charming" to come sweep them off their feet. I'd rather be alone than with a woman like that. There are decent and compatible relationship partners out there, but they aren't necessarily easy to find.
Chrome Barracuda Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Hi LS, I have noticed that so called men these day are more and more acting like they are the women in relationship. Let me explain i notice that if a man is dating a woman and she gets upset about something he did or said....the guy will....stop talking to her for a while or...get upset because she mentioned it....even if she did it nicely. He just wants her to shut up and deal with the bul/s on her own. I another thing I notice is that guys want you to take them out and will ask you ....when are you talking me out or you buying me lunch? It is strange. It is like they are the prize and we are lucky to have them. Is it me? or are guys starting to act like b/tches in relationships these days hell I want to write a book called..."Thinking you a man, Acting like a b/tch" Funny women for years have been complaining that men are insensitive and uncaring and not in touch with emotions. But here are men being emotional , caring and wanting to be with you and yet. We're still at fault? Are you F-ing kidding me. women will never be freaking happy. And men act like a prize because in reality they are. lol. think about the facts women outnumber men 2-1, or 3-1 depending on where you live. Men that know how to play the game know they can find a woman easy than a woman can get a man, second why shouldnt the man receive in some cases why must he do all the courting, sometimes we like gifts too, sometimes we liked to be treated to movies and have hot sex afterwards too! lol. Equal opportunity is what y'all women have strived for. dont blame men, blame society.
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 And men act like a prize because in reality they are. lol. think about the facts women outnumber men 2-1, or 3-1 depending on where you live. You need to get your facts straight. Canada: 15 - 64 years old, men are 50.5% of the population. United States: 15 - 64 years old, men are 49.9% of the population. United Kingdom: 15 - 64 years old, men are 50.6% of the population. Australia: 15 - 64 years old, men are 50.68% of the population. There are no genders who are prizes, only people. The ones who will end up in mature, viable relationships, are the ones who realize this.
Chrome Barracuda Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 You need to get your facts straight. Canada: 15 - 64 years old, men are 50.5% of the population. United States: 15 - 64 years old, men are 49.9% of the population. United Kingdom: 15 - 64 years old, men are 50.6% of the population. Australia: 15 - 64 years old, men are 50.68% of the population. There are no genders who are prizes, only people. The ones who will end up in mature, viable relationships, are the ones who realize this. lol. um i was referring to the cities in which you live. not the nationwide stats!!! like in new york there's alot of women than there is men.
Woggle Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 How about women act like women and then they can expect to find a real man. Modern women have nothing whatsoever to offer a real man who conducts himself as one. You keep listing these things that a man is supposed to do for a woman but what does he get out of it. What exactly is the incentive today for a man to be a gentlemen and treat a woman like a lady? Men don't give 100% because when we do 9 times out of 10 it backfires on us. Most real men who have not been feminized want no part of modern feminist women. Feminists for years have tried to feminize men and nag men's masculinity out of and this is the result. This is the frankenstein that modern women have created and now they want men to be men again but most men don't even know how because women thought it would be so emowering to show the world how independent they are by raising children without fathers so nobody was around to make a man out of these boys and be a role model to them.
SoulSearch_CO Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Maybe it's the same thing causing boys to be born with smaller penises - so much crap in the water from humans dumping it there that guys are going around with more estrogen in their bodies. You realize that fish are ODing on the birth control hormones that are in the water? Anyway - I also think that men in a way get beaten down for BEING men. They're thought of as crude or uncaring. In some ways, it's a detriment to act like a man. Men are expected to have ONLY the good parts of being a man, but as far as any negatives, they'd better start acting like women or be thought of as jerks. It's a tough line to walk. I think men should be appreciated more for who they are rather than trying to change them into something they're not.
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 lol. um i was referring to the cities in which you live. not the nationwide stats!!! like in new york there's alot of women than there is men. Not that much more. Based on the 2005 census NYC female v. male population was a staggering 6.92% spread. This is between the ages of 15 - 64 years old.
Chrome Barracuda Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 How about women act like women and then they can expect to find a real man. Modern women have nothing whatsoever to offer a real man who conducts himself as one. You keep listing these things that a man is supposed to do for a woman but what does he get out of it. What exactly is the incentive today for a man to be a gentlemen and treat a woman like a lady? Men don't give 100% because when we do 9 times out of 10 it backfires on us. Most real men who have not been feminized want no part of modern feminist women. Feminists for years have tried to feminize men and nag men's masculinity out of and this is the result. This is the frankenstein that modern women have created and now they want men to be men again but most men don't even know how because women thought it would be so emowering to show the world how independent they are by raising children without fathers so nobody was around to make a man out of these boys and be a role model to them. Wow that is so on the money. that isnt even funny!
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 How about women act like women and then they can expect to find a real man. Modern women have nothing whatsoever to offer a real man who conducts himself as one. You keep listing these things that a man is supposed to do for a woman but what does he get out of it. What exactly is the incentive today for a man to be a gentlemen and treat a woman like a lady? Men don't give 100% because when we do 9 times out of 10 it backfires on us. Most real men who have not been feminized want no part of modern feminist women. Feminists for years have tried to feminize men and nag men's masculinity out of and this is the result. This is the frankenstein that modern women have created and now they want men to be men again but most men don't even know how because women thought it would be so emowering to show the world how independent they are by raising children without fathers so nobody was around to make a man out of these boys and be a role model to them. More victim mentality...
Chrome Barracuda Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 More victim mentality... Really how so??? explain, wog has brought up many great points.
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Really how so??? explain, wog has brought up many great points. I'll use my fiancé, as an example. He's very masculine, knows what he wants and isn't afraid to get it. He's also considerate and respectful. So, why would he be so different than Woggle or the men that Woggle describes? For that matter, Woggle's father was raised by parents, much, much older than the feminist movement and yet, wasn't strong enough to stand up to Woggle's mother. Is this a failing of society or is this the failing of Woggle's parents?
Woggle Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 My father was one of those 1970s Alan Alda types who allied themselves with the feminist movement. In the end my mother directed all her misandrist rage at him and the more he tried to please her the more she resented him. Most of these men ended up like my father as well while the men who rejected the new man approach tended to have happy marriages and good lives. He sure isn't a feminist today though and I am very proud of the man he has become. There are many examples of women driving men out of the family or not even inviting them in in the first place because this was seen as being independent and fathers were seen as sperm donors who were optional at best and dangerous at worst. This created a situation were growing up in a female enviroment with little to no male guidance and it screwed them up. They either became wimpy feminized men or went to the other extreme and became hyper macho thugs. Neither example is what being a real man is all about. No matter how much women hate men attraction does not go away so when women go out there in the dating world and deal with these new men they feel letdown.
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Woggle, your father was a man with free will. It's interesting how you've focused all your rage on your mother when your father failed you too. When one parent is abusive, the other parent should be doing something about it, instead of rolling over. Once again, your father was raised in the pre-feminist era, by pre-feminist parents. So...explain to me why he didn't stand up and be the "man", you believe the existing generation of men would be like, if they had fathers too? Your logic doesn't hold up.
clv0116 Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 lol...for real...tell me...forget it. im getting ready to start a new post and I want you to behave yourself. I'm always on my best behavior. Just ask me. It's OK to love me by the way, I'm adorable. .... most men don't even know how because women thought it would be so emowering to show the world how independent they are by raising children without fathers so nobody was around to make a man out of these boys and be a role model to them. Lot of truth there. Fortunately I was raised by an ex-marine who actually f*cked (after he married her) the homecoming queen so I guess I have a leg up there. They are still married and in love, and mom still does the cooking. I want what they have.
Woggle Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Woggle, your father was a man with free will. It's interesting how you've focused all your rage on your mother when your father failed you too. When one parent is abusive, the other parent should be doing something about it, instead of rolling over. Once again, your father was raised in the pre-feminist era, by pre-feminist parents. So...explain to me why he didn't stand up and be the "man", you believe the existing generation of men would be like, if they had fathers too? Your logic doesn't hold up. They were both wrong but my mother was actively abusing me and him. She is the one I remember just raging at me over nothing and getting a sick pleasure in causing me pain. My father has since apologized to me and has taken full responsibility in being a doormat. I can see the sincerity in his face while my mother insists in playing the victim to this day. Men like my father thought that they should support feminism because it was the right thing to do. They though that if they were as nice as can be to these women they would be seen as one of the good ones but in reality feminists ate these men for lunch because they wouldn't stand up for themselves.
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 They were both wrong but my mother was actively abusing me and him. She is the one I remember just raging at me over nothing and getting a sick pleasure in causing me pain. My father has since apologized to me and has taken full responsibility in being a doormat. I can see the sincerity in his face while my mother insists in playing the victim to this day.I'm not disputing that your mother was/is abusive. Men like my father thought that they should support feminism because it was the right thing to do. They though that if they were as nice as can be to these women they would be seen as one of the good ones but in reality feminists ate these men for lunch because they wouldn't stand up for themselves. This is victim mentality. Feminism didn't eat your father for lunch. Your mother was stronger than your father and he rolled over to her abusive behaviour. You're blaming society and genders, for incompetent parenting. It's like saying that since you were raised by a feminist who hated men, you should also hate men. So why don't you hate men? Aren't you also a product of your upbringing and society?
Woggle Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 My issues with women are in many ways a part of my upbringing. I don't hate men because I one and I refused to be brainwashed into self hatred though many men are. My father was a part of an overall trend. Men of his generation thought that feminism was about equality and they didn't learn the truth until it was too late and they were another man thrown out of his family. My father was wrong but I look at his situation in the context of what he was dealing with. It him and other men like him like a ton of bricks when their women turned on them and put a target sign over their head.
Chrome Barracuda Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Y'all continue to not just understand that some women are just F-ing crazy!!! Feminism or not alot of them have issues that they need to blame men for and feminism was just an outlet for them to target men. Even within the feminist movement there was the originator who started it started denouncing all the females that corrupted the cause saying it was for equality then but now it's a bunch of BS. lol. At least wogs pops came out a better man and stood up for himself where it counted. in this day and age women claim they want good and sensitive men and yet they run around and get F-ed by thugs and jerks and cry about it to their friends. "He wont change, he treats me so bad, I know he has three girlfriends but why wont he love me." Blah, blah, blah. Sometimes we as men wont make women happy and I think alot of us right now are accepting that fact.
Trialbyfire Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 My issues with women are in many ways a part of my upbringing. I don't hate men because I one and I refused to be brainwashed into self hatred though many men are.So why didn't you pattern yourself after your father, your role model? If you make issue as previously mentioned about the following points. Your logic fails based on both your father and you. You were raised by both a father and a mother. Your father was raised by both a pre-feminist father and mother. Feminists for years have tried to feminize men and nag men's masculinity out of and this is the result. This is the frankenstein that modern women have created and now they want men to be men again but most men don't even know how because women thought it would be so emowering to show the world how independent they are by raising children without fathers so nobody was around to make a man out of these boys and be a role model to them.
Woggle Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 I didn't pattern myself after my father because I saw his ass kissing and groveling towards my mother got him nowhere. My parents split up when I was 11 as well and my mother kept me from seeing my father because she wouldn't let him win. She made it clear that she did not love me and didn't want me but giving my father custody would be rolling over for him so he wasn't around to shape during my teenage years.
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