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clv0116 Established Member

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Some people have a harder job packing muscle on than others. It doesn't necessarily mean they're not active.

 

True enough. In all fairness this thread isn't about how healthy she might be, it's about attraction. Whatever the reason is for her looking the way she looks she's not attractive to me. Why not? Too flabby, not too heavy.

 

 

If she were "not in good shape by a long stretch" as you're implying, then getting into really good shape would take her months rather than weeks.

 

I didn't imply anything, I flat out said it. To get into and stay in the sort of shape I would find attractive would require a significant lifestyle change. That's not a small thing.

 

 

Healthy fat range for a girl her age is anything between 21% and 33%. My guess, looking at her, is that she's probably around 28%. I doubt she weighs more than about 125 pounds (she doesn't look tall, and as you've already said she's probably quite light). Losing 10 pounds of fat would take her significantly below the healthy minimum.

 

Let's talk math. For a 125 pound person with 28% body fat, we're talking 35 pounds of fat. If she loses 10 of that and gains 15 of muscle she would be a 130 pound woman with 25 pounds of fat, for a body fat percentage of a little over 19%. That seems pretty healthy to me, maybe losing 10 fat and gaining 10 muscle would be more ideal. She's not packing really big cups or anything after all.

 

 

 

 

You're probably assessing the healthy fat ratio for women as being between 8 and 20% (which is what it would be for a man of a comparable age).

 

I'd prefer 15-20 percent probably, but I don't mind a little fat if it's backed by muscle.

 

 

 

My gym instructor does the same thing - ie telling me that it would be perfectly healthy for me to get down to 15% body fat. I suspect a lot of men out there fail to understand the major difference between the amount of body fat males and females require.

 

Well clearly you believe your personal trainer has no clue.

 

 

 

As for 15 pounds of muscle....it t would take a top level athlete on an intensive training regime around 7 months to put on 15 pounds of muscle.

 

So maybe not that close to being fit after all. A year away perhaps. No where near, really. Sigh.

burning 4 revenge Established Member

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True enough. In all fairness this thread isn't about how healthy she might be, it's about attraction. Whatever the reason is for her looking the way she looks she's not attractive to me. Why not? Too flabby, not too heavy.

 

 

 

 

I didn't imply anything, I flat out said it. To get into and stay in the sort of shape I would find attractive would require a significant lifestyle change. That's not a small thing.

 

 

 

 

Let's talk math. For a 125 pound person with 28% body fat, we're talking 35 pounds of fat. If she loses 10 of that and gains 15 of muscle she would be a 130 pound woman with 25 pounds of fat, for a body fat percentage of a little over 19%. That seems pretty healthy to me, maybe losing 10 fat and gaining 10 muscle would be more ideal. She's not packing really big cups or anything after all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd prefer 15-20 percent probably, but I don't mind a little fat if it's backed by muscle.

 

 

 

 

 

Well clearly you believe your personal trainer has no clue.

 

 

 

 

 

So maybe not that close to being fit after all. A year away perhaps. No where near, really. Sigh.

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Hi.P.O'Crit Established Member

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Let's talk math. For a 125 pound person with 28% body fat, we're talking 35 pounds of fat. If she loses 10 of that and gains 15 of muscle she would be a 130 pound woman with 25 pounds of fat, for a body fat percentage of a little over 19%. That seems pretty healthy to me, maybe losing 10 fat and gaining 10 muscle would be more ideal. She's not packing really big cups or anything after all.

 

At 28% a 125 lb person has about 28 lbs of fat and 98 lbs lean. Your math is off. She would have 18 lbs of fat and 112 lean, total 130 lbs. She would have 15% body fat.

clv0116 Established Member

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At 28% a 125 lb person has about 28 lbs of fat and 98 lbs lean. Your math is off. She would have 18 lbs of fat and 112 lean' date=' total 130 lbs. She would have 15% body fat.[/quote']

 

 

35/125 = 0.28

 

125 x 0.72 = 90

125 x 0.28 = 35

 

25/130 = .192

 

Want to rethink that?

Taramere Established Member

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Well clearly you believe your personal trainer has no clue.

 

He's not my personal trainer, he's the instructor at my gym. He deals mainly with men, and he's wrong about the 15% fat ratio being healthy for women. I go by the recommendations of medical experts, not gym instructors - for the reasons I mentioned before. That is, that the medical experts are taking long term health issues into account. 15% isn't healthy for a woman.

 

http://life.familyeducation.com/eating-disorders/athletic-training/35886.html

 

The most reliable signs that an athlete has the female athlete triad include being extremely thin (body fat less than 18 percent) and a loss of regular menstrual period, particularly for longer than six months

clv0116 Established Member

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He's not my personal trainer, he's the instructor at my gym. He deals mainly with men, and he's wrong about the 15% fat ratio being healthy for women.

 

The info I've read is that male athletes should be around 10%, 'fitness' minded men should aim for 15% and women can be 6-7 percent higher.

Hi.P.O'Crit Established Member

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35/125 = 0.28

 

125 x 0.72 = 90

125 x 0.28 = 35

 

25/130 = .192

 

Want to rethink that?

 

125/1.28 = 97.7 lean (no fat)

 

125 - 97.7 = 27.3 (all fat)

 

adding 15 lbs muscle gives 112.7 lean (no fat)

 

losing 10 lbs of fat is 17.3 lbs

 

112.7 + 17.3 = 130 lbs

 

130/112.7 = 1.15

 

Therefore 15% body fat.

Trialbyfire Established Member

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As an FYI about body fat. Women on birth control need to reduce their caloric intake by 10%, in order to offset the hormones, to remain at the same weight.

 

As for body fat content, according to the attached medical source, 25% body fat is normal for women and 15% is normal for men.

 

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8519

clv0116 Established Member

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125/1.28 = 97.7 lean (no fat)

 

125 - 97.7 = 27.3 (all fat)

 

adding 15 lbs muscle gives 112.7 lean (no fat)

 

losing 10 lbs of fat is 17.3 lbs

 

112.7 + 17.3 = 130 lbs

 

130/112.7 = 1.15

 

Therefore 15% body fat.

 

Oh dude.

 

 

Have a look here: "A person's total body fat percentage is the total weight of the person's fat divided by the person's weight"

 

Therefore, if total weight is 125 and fat is 35, (35/125)*100 would be total body fat percentage, of ..... 28% for a 125 pound person who has 35 pounds of fat.

 

 

You're just not working the math right.

rlindzie Established Member

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ok i get ur point, and i myself like to be skinny, and i really only date guys that are bulit. so i cannot disagree, but it seems like you are obsessing over something that is inevitable to change. we all change over time weather we like it or not. and i would bet that these guys are not perfect, so remember to look in the mirror when you start judging other ppl.

clv0116 Established Member

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Of course, as I said very early on this is about who I would pursue, not what I expect 30 years and 2 kids into a marriage.

Sam Spade Established Member

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ok i get ur point, and i myself like to be skinny, and i really only date guys that are bulit. so i cannot disagree, but it seems like you are obsessing over something that is inevitable to change. we all change over time weather we like it or not. and i would bet that these guys are not perfect, so remember to look in the mirror when you start judging other ppl.

 

 

I have a six-pack, and I expect my girlfriend to stay in shape for as long as I am. I don't even expect her to actually be in a great shape, as long as she doesn't start piling the pounds.

 

I think that is is huge mistake to pander (in a sense to go in denial and white lies stuff...) to women's insecurities about their bodies (which is all women). All women have little imperfections that are adorable, but if they start to baloon, it's time to have a more serious conversation. My girlfriend repatedly askes me loaded questions such as what I'd do if she gains weight, to which I unapologetically relply that I'll shepherd her to the gym. Not being a dick to her, just being upfront that I won't let it slide.

bentnotbroken Established Member

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I have a six-pack, and I expect my girlfriend to stay in shape for as long as I am. I don't even expect her to actually be in a great shape, as long as she doesn't start piling the pounds.

 

I think that is is huge mistake to pander (in a sense to go in denial and white lies stuff...) to women's insecurities about their bodies (which is all women). All women have little imperfections that are adorable, but if they start to baloon, it's time to have a more serious conversation. My girlfriend repatedly askes me loaded questions such as what I'd do if she gains weight, to which I unapologetically relply that I'll shepherd her to the gym. Not being a dick to her, just being upfront that I won't let it slide.

 

 

Really???:confused:

clv0116 Established Member

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Really???:confused:

 

Seems like. For some reason even the really smoking hot girls need to be reassured their ass isn't to big or whatever. Nose is fine. Birthmark is not an issue.

 

Almost always something(s).

bentnotbroken Established Member

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:confused:Must be an age or self esteem thang. :confused:

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yeah sorry your penis is so small

get out of your Mom's basement more loser.

 

(oh and Im super fit size 4 chick, but dont judge others)

clv0116 Established Member

clv0116

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yeah sorry your penis is so small

get out of your Mom's basement more loser.

 

(oh and Im super fit size 4 chick, but dont judge others)

 

So how's that not judging thing going for you?

Citizen Erased Established Member

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yeah sorry your penis is so small

get out of your Mom's basement more loser.

 

(oh and Im super fit size 4 chick, but dont judge others)

 

Perhaps you should return to your mother's basement. Maybe it would teach you some manners.

Hi.P.O'Crit Established Member

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Therefore, if total weight is 125 and fat is 35, (35/125)*100 would be total body fat percentage, of ..... 28% for a 125 pound person who has 35 pounds of fat.

 

 

You're just not working the math right.

 

Oh dude.

 

The problem with your formula is that your taking the fat and dividing by total weight. You'll never reach 100% that way.

 

Say you have a guy thats 300 lbs but has 150 lbs of fat. Just for $hi&5 and giggles lets make him 5'4".

 

Your formula has him at 50% When he's nearly double his ideal.

clv0116 Established Member

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Oh dude.

 

The problem with your formula is that your taking the fat and dividing by total weight. You'll never reach 100% that way.

 

Say you have a guy thats 300 lbs but has 150 lbs of fat. Just for $hi&5 and giggles lets make him 5'4".

 

Your formula has him at 50% When he's nearly double his ideal.

 

Oh. MY. God.

 

Ya, a 300 pound guy with 150 pounds of fat IS half fat. No kidding.

 

According to you it would be 300/1.5 = 200 pounds of lean for a 300 pounder who is half fat. Wise up, you're computing 128%, not 28%. Percent body fat IS DEFINED AS pounds of fat divided by total. That's what it is. So a guy with 150 pounds of fat who weighs 300 is (drum roll) 50% body fat.

 

Stop arguing this and admit you were wrong, you're just making yourself look dumb. Dumber. Whatever.

Trialbyfire Established Member

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http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/library/blbodyfatcharts.htm

 

As referenced by this article, the World Health Organization and National Institutes of Health consider women between the ages of 20 - 40 years, with less than 21% bodyfat, underfat. Healthy is 21 - 33%.

 

Any woman from 41 - 60 years is considered underfat, if her body fat percentage is below 23%. Healthy is 23 - 35%.

clv0116 Established Member

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A person's total body fat percentage is the total weight of the person's fat divided by the person's weight and reflects both essential fat and storage fat. Essential fat is that amount necessary for maintenance of life and reproductive functions. The percentage for women is greater than that for men, due to the demands of childbearing and other hormonal functions. Essential fat is 2–5% in men, and 10–13% in women. Storage fat consists of fat accumulation in adipose tissue, part of which protects internal organs in the chest and abdomen. The minimum recommended total body fat percentage exceeds the essential fat percentage value reported above.

 

 

Remedial Math:

 

If you want to compute the percentage of one part in relation to the whole, you measure both in the same units and then divide the part by the whole. Since the units part is on both sides of the equation it drops out, leaving a unitless ratio.

 

Converting the ratio to percent requires multiplication by 100.

Hi.P.O'Crit Established Member

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Remedial Math:

 

If you want to compute the percentage of one part in relation to the whole, you measure both in the same units and then divide the part by the whole. Since the units part is on both sides of the equation it drops out, leaving a unitless ratio.

 

Converting the ratio to percent requires multiplication by 100.

 

Well, damn you dun did your education real good.

 

By the way, you could have just said that is supposed to be an asymptotic equation and skipped the condescension.

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