Fat Girls are Unattractive

March 3, 2009

It's not a personal attack, I'm just saying that if he had a few dates behind him he'd have a more balanced view of dating. A man who hasn't had water for a few days won't be picky about what he drinks, maybe later after he's done rehydrating he'll appreciate a good wine.

Ok ... Thats if he doesn't get caut up in all the cheep fizz pop ideas that popular culture trys and brain wash us all with 1st..

Why just because he says he wouldn't mind dating a overweight women is he automatically seen as desperate? if he were openly saying he would date some one in a wheel chair or some other kind of disability would he still be seen as desperate in your eyes?

March 3, 2009

Theres just no reason to start personal attacks on anyone here is there? every one is entitled to their opinions AS LONG AS THEIR RESPECTFUL of others no? I think for a guy he has a refreshing attitude toward people in general wish more of you would follow suit...

Thanks! There are certainly areas that I will be more picky. I like women who can have intelligent conversations and a nice smile never hurts!

Yes, I am a very late bloomer. Some feel that I'm not allowed to have opinions. They forget that I don't live under a rock.

March 3, 2009

I have a long time male friend who has always liked pretty overweight women and nothing else. He's a pretty cute guy, too. He thinks I'm too skinny, when in reality I'm probably 5-10 lbs. overweight (I at least know I look better than the swimsuit chick ). Anyway it's funny because he is disgusted by women who are not at least 20 lbs. overweight or more. He has had long term relationships with these women as well.

I am not attracted to very thin men. To me that is a huge turn-off physically. I've been known to like average to overweight guys mostly. However, if I use online dating, and see a pic of a nearly obese guy, no way will I respond to his interest. That's just the way it goes. Goes the same way for guys that are shorter than me or smaller than me. We just all have things that are pretty much standards for what we want physically, just as we do mentally and etc. So of course, someone with different standards is going to argue your points....even my friend who only digs fat women, gets argued with by the guys who think he's weird....

If I said he has to have blue eyes, the brown-eyed people would argue and others would say that ridiculous because it has nothing to do with personality....but neither does being "fat" or "too skinny", or any of the other features we might desire 99% of the time.

My 1st instincts of course were to gruel the OP with talking of "fat women", cuz that sounds so insulting...but whatever, everybody likes what they like. And does that give a person a right to exploit their negative preferences in a derrogatory way, in a completely anonymous forum? it's probably better the OP only vents it here, instead of accidentally in front his friend with a "fat" sister. This way, only total strangers with aliases can feel offended. So it's fine if you have standards OP, I just wouldn't go around saying fat women suck, or anything like that...

March 3, 2009

I think generally fat girls are nice people.. So I would not put them down. I tend to feel sorry for them. I am not attracted to them though either.

March 3, 2009

Ok ... Thats if he doesn't get caut up in all the cheep fizz pop ideas that popular culture trys and brain wash us all with 1st..

Why just because he says he wouldn't mind dating a overweight women is he automatically seen as desperate? if he were openly saying he would date some one in a wheel chair or some other kind of disability would he still be seen as desperate in your eyes?

These popular cultrue ideas mean nothing to me. Actually less than nothing. What has popular culture done for me? It often negatively portrays people like me who are academic types.

Some overweight women are physically attractive to me. Uh oh, I may be going against popular culture feeling this way. In my opionion, there is no one group that popular culture is more unfair to than overweight women.

I will look at all aspects of the woman in making a decision. I don't see many groups that I would eliminate without looking at the whole person. Those who are illegal drug users and habitual liars would have no chance with me.

March 3, 2009

I take well to Kashmir's opinion though I do think there's no need to insult anyone. I was just like him, except replace Cross country with Ultimate Frisbee, and replace falling on the ground wheezing with having a near 15 minute mile time. (now my mile time is less than half of that.)

And generally, I think bigger people know they're bigger people, but they usually don't have the resolve to fix it. Weight loss is sort of a lifetime thing, which is what many can't seem to understand. But it is fixable (most of the time), but it takes much resolve to do it.

My entire family was obese, my father, mother, brother, sister, and me. First, I started running and lost weight. Then my brother started running and lost weight. My mother, father, and sister are still obese, but they haven't done much to fix it, though they said they would. I don't really think much of their still being obese, but I do imagine it would be better if they lost weight, for instance, with my mother and father's health (high blood pressure, high stress, high cholesterol. My sister is in good health (she's 20, so of course she should be), but her appearance isn't great with the extra weight . But it still is up to her to do things to correct the problem. I don't care what she does but I hope she can do what's best for her and her health.

For my personal preferences, yes I prefer thin women. A woman is much more attractive when she takes care of herself and has the body to show for it. I won't hound someone for being 10-30 pounds overweight though (I even find some people like that relatively attractive). My girlfriend is definitely on the skinny side, and she is definitely attractive to me. I won't care if she gains a little weight, but a) I don't think she will (she really hates sodas and pretty much anything with excess sugar) and b) if she does, I'll try to help her get in shape (she's much more amenable to criticisms like that I think). She's Asian, by the way, so she wasn't raised in our excess food culture. In fact, her body hates crap food, lol (lets just say years of stomach problems since coming to America say that loud and clear)

To me, there is no excuse for obesity. Some people have weight problems due to other underlying health problems yes, but obese people are almost always obese because they did it to themselves. So when I hear about obese people complaining about something (usually about how everything else in society is wrong), I have little sympathy for them. Food may be their addiction, but they should learn to control their desires. Just like smokers have to learn to control theirs.

March 3, 2009

I take well to Kashmir's opinion though I do think there's no need to insult anyone. I was just like him, except replace Cross country with Ultimate Frisbee, and replace falling on the ground wheezing with having a near 15 minute mile time. (now my mile time is less than half of that.)

And generally, I think bigger people know they're bigger people, but they usually don't have the resolve to fix it. Weight loss is sort of a lifetime thing, which is what many can't seem to understand. But it is fixable (most of the time), but it takes much resolve to do it.

My entire family was obese, my father, mother, brother, sister, and me. First, I started running and lost weight. Then my brother started running and lost weight. My mother, father, and sister are still obese, but they haven't done much to fix it, though they said they would. I don't really think much of their still being obese, but I do imagine it would be better if they lost weight, for instance, with my mother and father's health (high blood pressure, high stress, high cholesterol. My sister is in good health (she's 20, so of course she should be), but her appearance isn't great with the extra weight . But it still is up to her to do things to correct the problem. I don't care what she does but I hope she can do what's best for her and her health.

For my personal preferences, yes I prefer thin women. A woman is much more attractive when she takes care of herself and has the body to show for it. I won't hound someone for being 10-30 pounds overweight though (I even find some people like that relatively attractive). My girlfriend is definitely on the skinny side, and she is definitely attractive to me. I won't care if she gains a little weight, but a) I don't think she will (she really hates sodas and pretty much anything with excess sugar) and b) if she does, I'll try to help her get in shape (she's much more amenable to criticisms like that I think). She's Asian, by the way, so she wasn't raised in our excess food culture. In fact, her body hates crap food, lol (lets just say years of stomach problems since coming to America say that loud and clear)

To me, there is no excuse for obesity. Some people have weight problems due to other underlying health problems yes, but obese people are almost always obese because they did it to themselves. So when I hear about obese people complaining about something (usually about how everything else in society is wrong), I have little sympathy for them. Food may be their addiction, but they should learn to control their desires. Just like smokers have to learn to control theirs.

My story is very similar to yours, sans hot Asian Girlfriend.

I have been more open about my preferences over the last 2 years. I'm surprised how un-accepting some people are. BUt, if one of my friends was a chubby chaser, I wouldn't stop him. That seems really self-centered. Why do you want more competition for the girls you're attracted to. Plus, I think the group dynamic works better if you're not attracted to your friends' wives, girlfriends.

March 3, 2009

if he were openly saying he would date some one in a wheel chair or some other kind of disability would he still be seen as desperate in your eyes?

Interesting point. I'm not a guy, but I would never date an obese person. However I would have no issue dating dating someone who was deaf or some other physical disability. I actually knew this guy who was stunning, very attractive who is missing half of one of his hands, I would have dated him.

March 3, 2009

Why do overweight people always have to be "fixed"? god-forbid one of them may be happy the way they are I guess lol...

Just my opinion but there prob angry at sociality because of the blatant complete disrespect they receive based just on there looks alone.

But then again if they would just conform and "fix" them selves to make their appearance more appealing to the masses.

I mean who cares if their happy that wouldn't happen then ha darn overweight people always complaining!

Let me ask you this if your main issues with overweight people are "health" based then in your eyes what would be worse...

If you gf started smoking a pack a day or if she gained 30 pounds? this is were the smokescreen of "health" issues would drop away and the pure vanity of it comes out I bet lol..

March 3, 2009

Why do overweight people always have to be "fixed"? god-forbid one of them may be happy the way they are I guess lol...

Just my opinion but there prob angry at sociality because of the blatant complete disrespect they receive based just on there looks alone.

But then again if they would just conform and "fix" them selves to make their appearance more appealing to the masses.

I mean who cares if their happy that wouldn't happen then ha darn overweight people always complaining!

Let me ask you this if your main issues with overweight people are "health" based then in your eyes what would be worse...

If you're responding to me, then I won't have a problem with people being happy with themselves whatever their weight. Believe me, I want everyone to be happy with themselves no matter what. If people are fine with their weight, then who am I to question them? Of course, they shouldn't expect everyone to find them attractive.

Also, bad choice of words on my part (fix).

If you gf started smoking a pack a day or if she gained 30 pounds? this is were the smokescreen of "health" issues would drop away and the pure vanity of it comes out I bet lol..

Again, if this is to me, I'd say the smoking is worse. I can't stand smokers, so probably bad example, lol. By the way, I don't have a problem with 30 pounds or so extra (I do believe that's still pretty healthy). But more than that and I would want her to put some effort into exercise and eating right. After all, I would do the same.

March 3, 2009

My story is very similar to yours, sans hot Asian Girlfriend.

Maybe I just lucked out.

I have been more open about my preferences over the last 2 years. I'm surprised how un-accepting some people are. BUt, if one of my friends was a chubby chaser, I wouldn't stop him. That seems really self-centered. Why do you want more competition for the girls you're attracted to. Plus, I think the group dynamic works better if you're not attracted to your friends' wives, girlfriends.

Exactly, who cares if your friend likes someone heavier? Maybe some guys want everyone to like skinny girls cuz they want the value of their "hot" girlfriends to be higher. Like the stock market.

March 3, 2009

If you're responding to me, then I won't have a problem with people being happy with themselves whatever their weight. Believe me, I want everyone to be happy with themselves no matter what. If people are fine with their weight, then who am I to question them? Of course, they shouldn't expect everyone to find them attractive.

Also, bad choice of words on my part (fix).

Again, if this is to me, I'd say the smoking is worse. I can't stand smokers, so probably bad example, lol. By the way, I don't have a problem with 30 pounds or so extra (I do believe that's still pretty healthy). But more than that and I would want her to put some effort into exercise and eating right. After all, I would do the same.

Fair enough I hope you didn't take my post the wrong way wasn't trying to get at you personally.

Its just amazing that every one thinks overweight people automatically need to be "fixed" .

And I cant help but wonder were that idea comes from yet the ones who walk around looking almost like skeletons are often put up on a golden pedestal of beauty.

Yea poor choice of words maybe but its a reflection of the true feelings of many I'm sure and that fact in its self was what I was trying to get at.

OK fair enough smoking is worse at 30 pounds but what about 50? would you rather her smoke like a bat outa hell lol.. or gain 50 or 100 pounds and why? I ask that to all the guys as a matter of fact...

Keep in mind both are very bad for your health so I'm told I'm actually finding this interesting sorry...

March 3, 2009

Maybe some guys want everyone to like skinny girls cuz they want the value of their "hot" girlfriends to be higher. Like the stock market.

good one lol..

March 3, 2009

Wanting to pair up with someone we are attracted to is shallow? Shame on you for trying to shame me into conforming to your notions of correct behavior.

Wanting to pair up with someone you're attracted to isn't shallow, but when people talk about having chemistry with someone there's usually more to it than simply how they look or how much money they have.

You described the blonde in the bikini as "fat". For anyone who hasn't seen...here she is again

http://media.thedaily.com.au/img/photos/2008/02/27/bikini-main_t350.jpg

That's a girl in good shape. Granted, she doesn't have the body of a fashion model, a dancer or an athlete.....but the vast majority of women don't. Not because they're lazy, and not because they over-eat, but because they're not in a profession that demands a level of attendance to appearance/fitness/slimness that many would define as obsessive.

I don't think you have a great understanding of women's bodies. We're not designed to have the level of muscle tone that men have. We're supposed to be softer. The girl who met with your approval.....professional dancer. Like a professional fashion model or a professional athlete, her body's under unusual demands. These women often pay for it dearly at a relatively early age - with the onset of arthritis, osteoporosis etc. Maybe with the development of lifelong eating disorders.

I used to live in a large accommodation block with dance students (I wasn't one myself). Anorexia was rife, the loos constantly reeked of vomit, injuries were commonplace....there's an ugly tale behind a lot of those gorgeous, flexible bodies. A price to pay for starving your body or pushing it to the max on a regular basis. You either don't know that because you know so little about women and their bodies generally, or you don't care about the long term effects. That's what makes you shallow.....not to mention utterly naive. For a woman to get a body like that, she has to be a highly energetic, driven individual.

Good luck finding a woman like that and making a SAHM out of her. And if you do, I hope to God you don't have any daughters....because guaranteed, if you do they'll have some major issues about eating and body image.

March 3, 2009

Uh, Green, who 'bashed' the TS in that other thread? I only recall another poster saying that if the TS couldn't get past his fear of being 'embarrassed by her in public', he should leave and let her find someone who can accept her (and there are plenty of good men who can); and myself saying that yes, its fine if he wants a good-looking gf but PLEASE don't hide behind the guise of 'health'.

IF SOMEONE IS FAT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY ARE A SLOB OR HAVE AN UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLE.

'Fat' is such a subjective term. Lots of people (both men and women) actually have a healthy weight and waist circumference based on their height, but are perceived as 'fat' simply because they aren't, well, skinny. In fact, I dare say that more 'slim' models are 'unhealthy' (because of the unhealthy diets they go on to be slim, and the measures they take such as inducing vomit, bowel movement, etc) than people perceived as 'fat'.

Come on, Green, it's fine if you don't like the way fat girls look and don't want to be with them because of that. Everyone is entitled to their preferences -- I for instance am extremely turned off by guys who write/speak/type bad English, and I make no pretense of it. But why do you have to create other reasons to back such a personal preference up? And no, fat people do not have 'less energy', they in fact have more energy reserves.

March 3, 2009

Wanting to pair up with someone you're attracted to isn't shallow, but when people talk about having chemistry with someone there's usually more to it than simply how they look or how much money they have.

You described the blonde in the bikini as "fat". For anyone who hasn't seen...here she is again

http://media.thedaily.com.au/img/photos/2008/02/27/bikini-main_t350.jpg

That's a girl in good shape. Granted, she doesn't have the body of a fashion model, a dancer or an athlete.....but the vast majority of women don't. Not because they're lazy, and not because they over-eat, but because they're not in a profession that demands a level of attendance to appearance/fitness/slimness that many would define as obsessive.

I don't think you have a great understanding of women's bodies. We're not designed to have the level of muscle tone that men have. We're supposed to be softer. The girl who met with your approval.....professional dancer. Like a professional fashion model or a professional athlete, her body's under unusual demands. These women often pay for it dearly at a relatively early age - with the onset of arthritis, osteoporosis etc. Maybe with the development of lifelong eating disorders.

I used to live in a large accommodation block with dance students (I wasn't one myself). Anorexia was rife, the loos constantly reeked of vomit, injuries were commonplace....there's an ugly tale behind a lot of those gorgeous, flexible bodies. A price to pay for starving your body or pushing it to the max on a regular basis. You either don't know that because you know so little about women and their bodies generally, or you don't care about the long term effects. That's what makes you shallow.....not to mention utterly naive. For a woman to get a body like that, she has to be a highly energetic, driven individual.

Good luck finding a woman like that and making a SAHM out of her. And if you do, I hope to God you don't have any daughters....because guaranteed, if you do they'll have some major issues about eating and body image.

You just do not get it, Taramere. Arthritis, osteoporosis and life long eating disorders are a small price to pay for any "girl" (women need not apply) to qualify as "arm candy" for many of the "so suave" manly men who post here. These men's men need some bulimia with their babes.

The sweet smell of vomit in the morning.

March 3, 2009

Everyone is different and I dont think that it is fair to say that all fat people are un attractive. I think people are attractive in different ways and I think personality comes over attractiveness.

I personally find that someone who has something to them is more attractive than someone who is just skin and bones and has no shape to them. Even tho I say that I would not say they are un attractive or be narsty about it.

Also what do you define as fat? Im a size 14-16 - So I take it that you think im un attractive.

March 3, 2009

Its just amazing that every one thinks overweight people automatically need to be "fixed" .

A lot of the time, they're the ones that complain about their own weight.

And I cant help but wonder were that idea comes from yet the ones who walk around looking almost like skeletons are often put up on a golden pedestal of beauty.

Skeletons aren't attractive either. Either extreme in terms of weight is always going to be unattractive.

Yea poor choice of words maybe but its a reflection of the true feelings of many I'm sure and that fact in its self was what I was trying to get at.

I think you are correct. It's my true feelings in fact; when I see someone who's obese, in the back of my mind I imagine their lives would be better if they lost the extra weight. It only remains a thought though. I never tell anyone how they should live. They are free to be happy with their bodies. I don't have a place in telling them how to live or how they should feel about themselves.

OK fair enough smoking is worse at 30 pounds but what about 50? would you rather her smoke like a bat outa hell lol.. or gain 50 or 100 pounds and why? I ask that to all the guys as a matter of fact...

50 pounds, I would still say smoking is worse. But at 100, I would say both are equally bad. Short term, the smoking would be worse, but long term, the extra weight will definitely be a detriment (bones, joints, heart, liver, etc).

March 3, 2009

You described the blonde in the bikini as "fat". For anyone who hasn't seen...here she is again

http://media.thedaily.com.au/img/photos/2008/02/27/bikini-main_t350.jpg

I think she looks great.

I don't think you have a great understanding of women's bodies. We're not designed to have the level of muscle tone that men have. We're supposed to be softer. The girl who met with your approval.....professional dancer. Like a professional fashion model or a professional athlete, her body's under unusual demands. These women often pay for it dearly at a relatively early age - with the onset of arthritis, osteoporosis etc. Maybe with the development of lifelong eating disorders.

I used to live in a large accommodation block with dance students (I wasn't one myself). Anorexia was rife, the loos constantly reeked of vomit, injuries were commonplace....there's an ugly tale behind a lot of those gorgeous, flexible bodies. A price to pay for starving your body or pushing it to the max on a regular basis. You either don't know that because you know so little about women and their bodies generally, or you don't care about the long term effects. That's what makes you shallow.....not to mention utterly naive. For a woman to get a body like that, she has to be a highly energetic, driven individual.

Good luck finding a woman like that and making a SAHM out of her. And if you do, I hope to God you don't have any daughters....because guaranteed, if you do they'll have some major issues about eating and body image.

I think generally, men don't have a good understanding of women's bodies. (I know I don't.) That said, athletics poses problems for both men and women. As you said, osteoporosis, arthritis, etc. And while women in that position will turn to anorexia or bulimia, men use steroids, get life threatening injuries, and develop big-orexia (thinking they aren't muscular enough). Both men and women are pretty good at nearly killing themselves for physical fitness.

March 3, 2009

I agree. One of the reasons they are often unattractive, weight aside, is that fact that they are typically very insecure. There is a big difference between an attractive girl who needs to loose a few pounds and a fugg that you can just tell doesn't care about herself. The overweight girls I have known usually have higher expectations than the slender/average girls. WTF? I had one even say, " I wouldn't want a fat bf " umm, hello! Your fat. More often than not, it's the overweight women that are the most judgemental about another person's appearance. Fat girls need love too, lucky for them a lot of guys are fat as well.

March 3, 2009

You described the blonde in the bikini as "fat". For anyone who hasn't seen...here she is again

http://media.thedaily.com.au/img/photos/2008/02/27/bikini-main_t350.jpg

That's a girl in good shape.

First, you're replying to me but clearly not talking to me. Odd.

Onward ... she's fat. She's not overweight, as a matter of fact I doubt she's heavy at all because even though she's not big she appears to have a lot of body fat and very little muscle. She's probably genetically predisposed to be slim and lives a sedentary lifestyle. Not in good shape by a long stretch.

Not healthy due to anything but youth.

March 3, 2009

Green, I feel your pain. There's not much you can do with big girls, except maybe doggie.

Wow - I am so disgusted in this comment I dont know where to begin.

March 3, 2009

You just do not get it, Taramere. Arthritis, osteoporosis and life long eating disorders are a small price to pay ....

The women I date have healthy appetites and merely engage in a lifestyle of frequent low intensity activity. They are from average (not US average, healthy average) to slim and quite healthy, thanks very much.

The flabby little bikini girl that caused so much chatter here could gain weight and look better, but it would involve losing 10 pounds of fat and packing on 15 of muscle.

March 3, 2009

First, you're replying to me but clearly not talking to me. Odd.

Onward ... she's fat. She's not overweight, as a matter of fact I doubt she's heavy at all because even though she's not big she appears to have a lot of body fat and very little muscle. She's probably genetically predisposed to be slim and lives a sedentary lifestyle. Not in good shape by a long stretch.

Not healthy due to anything but youth.

erm just so you know women are not meant to be muscular.

We can gain some muscle but not to the same extent as men as we just are built different.

We are meant to have some skin/fat, goes back to basics, too keep our babies protected and warm.

The blonde girl in the bikini has a lovely figure, is slim and healthy looking.

March 3, 2009

First, you're replying to me but clearly not talking to me. Odd.

Onward ... she's fat. She's not overweight, as a matter of fact I doubt she's heavy at all because even though she's not big she appears to have a lot of body fat and very little muscle. She's probably genetically predisposed to be slim and lives a sedentary lifestyle. Not in good shape by a long stretch.

Not healthy due to anything but youth.

Some people have a harder job packing muscle on than others. It doesn't necessarily mean they're not active.

That girl's in good enough condition to get in really good shape (for someone who isn't a professional athlete or dancer) in as little as three weeks if she follows the right regime. Say an hour of callanetics per day for three weeks, and a properly balanced diet of around 1,500 calories per day

If she were "not in good shape by a long stretch" as you're implying, then getting into really good shape would take her months rather than weeks.

would involve losing 10 pounds of fat and packing on 15 of muscle.

Healthy fat range for a girl her age is anything between 21% and 33%. My guess, looking at her, is that she's probably around 28%. I doubt she weighs more than about 125 pounds (she doesn't look tall, and as you've already said she's probably quite light). Losing 10 pounds of fat would take her significantly below the healthy minimum.

You're probably assessing the healthy fat ratio for women as being between 8 and 20% (which is what it would be for a man of a comparable age). My gym instructor does the same thing - ie telling me that it would be perfectly healthy for me to get down to 15% body fat. I suspect a lot of men out there fail to understand the major difference between the amount of body fat males and females require.

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As for 15 pounds of muscle....it t would take a top level athlete on an intensive training regime around 7 months to put on 15 pounds of muscle. If they were lucky. This girl does not need to put on 15 pounds of muscle to tone up.

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