alphamale Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Actually this is not true. Panic Disorder is most often seen with OCD and generalized anxiety disorder. no, people with major mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, bipolar, and clinical depression usually present symptoms of anxiety and panic attacks... read up on it
Author Meaplus3 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Posted February 11, 2009 no, people with major mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, bipolar, and clinical depression usually present symptoms of anxiety and panic attacks... read up on it Well. I happen to see a very good therapist and that's what I was told.So I trusted that it was true. And BTW, I do not have any of those disorders you have mentioned above, this I know for certain. Mea:)
alphamale Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Well. I happen to see a very good therapist and that's what I was told.So I trusted that it was true. And BTW, I do not have any of those disorders you have mentioned above, this I know for certain. Mea:) most of these brain disorders are related in some fashion but they haven't figured out how yet. it basically comes down to the degree. even within each disorder there are levels of severity from mild to profound
Ariadne Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Hi Mea, I don't believe in those panic disorders. That is nonsense. What happens is that the doctors have convinced you that you have that, so that every time you get nervous you freak yourself out.
alphamale Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Hi Mea, I don't believe in those panic disorders. That is nonsense. people also didn't believe in AIDS when it first presented itself...
Author Meaplus3 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Posted February 11, 2009 Hi Mea, I don't believe in those panic disorders. That is nonsense. What happens is that the doctors have convinced you that you have that, so that every time you get nervous you freak yourself out. Well I did not believe in any type of real disorders myself until I got struck with one. Infact, The first thing I did was demand a ton of testing before the conclusion could be made that most of my symptoms are textbook to this disorder. But, I do know that I have many more good days than bad.. so that's a good thing. I just want to be able to get rid of this once and for all at some point.. it's not fun. Mea:)
climbergirl Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Hi Mea, I don't believe in those panic disorders. That is nonsense. What happens is that the doctors have convinced you that you have that, so that every time you get nervous you freak yourself out. What?? You can't deny physiological responses, nor should you. If your blood pressure and heart rate shoots up on a continual basis for more than a few weeks..there is something up. In fact, ignorance can kill you. That's a fact.
Ariadne Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Well I did not believe in any type of real disorders myself until I got struck with one. Infact, The first thing I did was demand a ton of testing before the conclusion could be made that most of my symptoms are textbook to this disorder. But, I do know that I have many more good days than bad.. so that's a good thing. I just want to be able to get rid of this once and for all at some point.. it's not fun. Mea:) If I were to answer those questionaires I'd have textbook everything. Don't buy into that nonsense, you can get tests results to justify anything and make it sound scientific.
climbergirl Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 If I were to answer those questionaires I'd have textbook everything. Don't buy into that nonsense, you can get tests results to justify anything and make it sound scientific. It is scientific...they probably tested thyroid, compared blood pressure, blood sugar and AP from previous levels. Like Alpha pointed out, it's a physiological response. Sweating, rapid heart rate etc-beta blockers block fight or flight response. And in addition, it kicks in so many hormonal responses that may be throwing your body out of whack. A questionaire could be involved but I don't think it's a main component in diagnosis. It's more to determine the underlying cause rather than to immediately treat. Regardless, medical professionals do take high blood pressure and rapid heart rate very seriously as they can have serious consequences.
allina Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Hi Mea, I don't believe in those panic disorders. That is nonsense. What happens is that the doctors have convinced you that you have that, so that every time you get nervous you freak yourself out. While I don't agree completely, she makes a good point. I do feel like doctors assign "disorders" and unnecessary medications to every little discomfort. I think it's something we should be aware of, and I don't think every ailment needs pharmaceuticals.
climbergirl Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 While I don't agree completely, she makes a good point. I do feel like doctors assign "disorders" and unnecessary medications to every little discomfort. I think it's something we should be aware of, and I don't think every ailment needs pharmaceuticals. No, I don't think every ailment warrants pharmaceuticals, nor do I think every physician prescribes them as there are many side affects. However, I think it's unfair to characterize what she is going through as a "little discomfort".
allina Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 No, I don't think every ailment warrants pharmaceuticals, nor do I think every physician prescribes them as there are many side affects. However, I think it's unfair to characterize what she is going through as a "little discomfort". I'm in no way being unfair or diminishing the seriousness of what she's going through. Did you not see my post?
JamesM Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Panic disorders are real. Are they physical illnesses such as cancer? No, Are they a reaction to stress, anxiety, or some other emotion? Probably. Is it "all in your head?" Yes and no. If one describes all emotional illnesses or disorder as simply that, then yes. BUT...for those who have not determined why they happen or what is the cause, panic attacks are incredibly and terrifyingly real. They cause real physical symptoms which mimic real diseases. And unless, one knows for certain that the symptoms are not "the real thing," then it is not only in one's head. Our bodies are strange "machines." Anxiety and stress can actually trigger a chemical reaction that is very physical. So while as stated above, it is not like cancer, it feels as if death itself is knocking at the door. Mea, as you know, the important thing is to determine the trigger. With all your past upheavals, it is somehow related, I am guessing. Antidepressants will help. While I am not for simply throwing pharmaceuticals at a problem, I also do not think that emotional disorder and illnesses should somehow be only handled with some techniques. Meds may be a short term solution, but they cam give someone the confidence in learning how to deal with anxiety for the long term. Hang in there. You will make it.
voldigicam Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Tough situation. I quit working for other people. Left the city. Live a calm life in the country. Only very rare problems, always associated with some city jerk intruding into my life. Simplification. I didn't seem to have clear triggers. But removing the work part in a corporation immediately started improvement. Even going to law school didn't present problems - I was choosing to be there. So something in the environment that raises that base stress level might play into it.
Author Meaplus3 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Posted February 11, 2009 Thank you everyone for your responses and advice. All of you have given me good stuff to think about. I am off to my cardio Doc soon and I don't plan on leaving there this time until I get my questions answered to a degree that meets my comfort level. I will let you all know what I find out. I changed my routine a little this am.. Did not have any coffee, took a bath instead of a shower and my heart rate while still a little high, was no where near the number it was on Tuesday am. Thanks again! Mea:)
Author Meaplus3 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Posted February 11, 2009 It is scientific...they probably tested thyroid, compared blood pressure, blood sugar and AP from previous levels. This is very true climbergirl they did all of this. All normal always. So many of my issues you'd think would point to thyroid.. but that's fine. So is my BP infact that runs on the low side 100/70. Regardless, medical professionals do take high blood pressure and rapid heart rate very seriously as they can have serious consequences. Right again. They do take it seriously.. that's why they have put me through numerous tests. But so far.. all the tests have come back fine however, I still need a few more questions answered in order to feel comfortable. Mea:)
blind_otter Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Hi Mea, I used to have terrible anxiety and panic attacks. I was on every med under the sun to control them - from antidepressants to beta blockers to benzodiazepines to some anxiety medication that was not a benzo - that one made me hallucinate. I got CBT for the underlying issues - mainly dealing with my past and the rapes and abusive relationship I had been in. I no longer have panic attacks, but I still get anxious and have weird things I get worried about.
Author Meaplus3 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Posted February 11, 2009 Ok. Got back from my cardio Doc and had another EKG. My EKG was in a normal Rythm even with my heart rate a little up at 114. So, too complete the loop of my tests, he has ordered a stress hormone test.A simple blood test had that drawn this am. He's sticking to his conclusion of this beign sinus tachacardia(sp) and it's not a serious condition, infact many can have this due to anxeity and also when they go through peri-meno which I may even be in. I feel better now. I am also going to up the lexapro.. and take the xanax when needed. Keep going with the CBT and join the support group I found..So I will be ok. Mea:)
alphamale Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Ok. Got back from my cardio Doc and had another EKG. My EKG was in a normal Rythm even with my heart rate a little up at 114. So, too complete the loop of my tests, he has ordered a stress hormone test.A simple blood test had that drawn this am. He's sticking to his conclusion of this beign sinus tachacardia(sp) and it's not a serious condition, infact many can have this due to anxeity and also when they go through peri-meno which I may even be in. I feel better now. I am also going to up the lexapro.. and take the xanax when needed. Keep going with the CBT and join the support group I found..So I will be ok. you don't need all these tests and stuff. you just need a good shrink who specializes in panic disorders.
Author Meaplus3 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Posted February 11, 2009 you don't need all these tests and stuff. you just need a good shrink who specializes in panic disorders. Perhaps. But,I did just get back from my therapist appointment and I needed it today. He suggested I get right out of the house first thing when I get up and walk. Either on my treadmill or do a few laps around my development. Since this is when I seem to be at the highest risk for a bad attack. He also told me that I need to forgive myself and focus on that. Because you see..I have a hang up that some of the drinking and smoking cigs I did in the past have harmed me when infact there is no evidence of that. Those habits are behind me and I have to realize I'm in good health.. But sometimes I have a hard time believeing that. Does that make sense? Mea:o
Author Meaplus3 Posted February 14, 2009 Author Posted February 14, 2009 Well now I'm real confused here. I recieved a phone call from my cardio doc this morning and they want me to have a tilt table test. I guess this is to see what my heart rate and BP are doing in diff postions so they can better understand my higher am heart rate. Now, if this is the case that I truly have an issue with my heart. and BP then perhaps I don't even have panic disorder?? I mean if one has an issue that causes there body to produce to much adreneline.. then perhaps that's why I'm sensitive to becoming nervous?? Oh I'm so tired of all these medical tests. It makes my nerves much worse.. and that would make sense right? Had to vent. Mea:)
climbergirl Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 Well now I'm real confused here. I recieved a phone call from my cardio doc this morning and they want me to have a tilt table test. I guess this is to see what my heart rate and BP are doing in diff postions so they can better understand my higher am heart rate. Now, if this is the case that I truly have an issue with my heart. and BP then perhaps I don't even have panic disorder?? I mean if one has an issue that causes there body to produce to much adreneline.. then perhaps that's why I'm sensitive to becoming nervous?? Oh I'm so tired of all these medical tests. It makes my nerves much worse.. and that would make sense right? Had to vent. Mea:) A tilt table? Those are usually used to diagnose fainting spells. Have you been experiencing those?
Author Meaplus3 Posted February 14, 2009 Author Posted February 14, 2009 A tilt table? Those are usually used to diagnose fainting spells. Have you been experiencing those? No.. not once. and that's what I thought too?? But, I guess my cardio doc said they use them.. to see how your BP and heart rate do in diff positions.. so it does make sense. God forbid I do faint. I'm worried about this.:eek: Mea:confused:
Ariadne Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 Don't worry about it Mea, you are in athlete's shape, ice skating programs and all. And jogging even. Just calm down. You get too nervous.
CommitmentPhobe Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 I guess my question here is this. Is there anyone who can relate to Panic and if so, what was the road you took to healing? Any advice is very much appreciated. Mea:) I had it real bad, about 8 years ago I got stabbed. After that I couldn't go out anywhere for a long time without getting incredibly anxious and panicked. It started off with me being anxious about getting stabbed, I felt sick, then I started to get anxious about being sick, then I was anxious about my anxiety, anxious about having no control. it just turned into a negative spiral. I didn't go for meds, I'm not going to take a position on that, but CBT did help me for this. For me the way I got over it was to keep putting myself into situations where I would get anxious. Then along with CBT gradually I learned to talk myself down into a rational situation. I had to really push myself into those situations though and not avoid them. It was horrible, I would get anxious well before the situation. But then slowly by slowly I conquered those situations, a small situation, a bigger situation. After a while the fear left me. You can get over it, one of the things that I really struggled with was being anxious about not getting over it. This is why it's important to put yourself into those situations so that you can begin learning that the anxiety can be gradually dissipated. Exercise does help too.
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