calazhage Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Now let me clarify, I know not all women love serial killers. Or most women. But a pretty significant number of women do. The FBI stated that each serial killer behind bars receives at least 500 love letters a year, from women dying to meet them, get to know them, form a relationship. Interviewers of OJ Simpson were astonished that he had so many young and beautiful women at his feet. Writing him, calling him, approaching him on the street.. Some, such as Ted Bundy or the Night Stalker, would get over 200 letters a day! And they killed women! Even John Wayne Gacy, a pedophile who killed boys was quite popular with the ladies. And these are usually very beautiful women, who certainly can have their pick of men. Obviously this is much different for men. Do very handsome men fall in love with serial killer women who kill men and children? Do these women get hundreds of letters a day from hot adoring men? Of course not. So what is it about so many women that attracts them to the absolute worst of the worst? They want to change him? It is erotic? A big challenge?
amaysngrace Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 You want an answer to this question "why?" Please tell me your latest prospect didn't have an ongoing affair with a serial killer or something. Because short of that I see no real reason for expanding the thought required to figure THIS out.
Geishawhelk Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 No, he's just a chauvinist who thinks women have warped ideas of what careers to follow and what kinds of men to date, whilst men, of course can do no wrong, have created all of the world's finest things, done the most nobel acts and deserve fuill credit for where the world is today, but when they're dumped by women, these same women automatically earn the title of B**ches. He's just jealous because he never gets the adulation of 500 women writing him letters even though he's perfect.
amaysngrace Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 No, he's just a chauvinist who thinks women have warped ideas of what careers to follow and what kinds of men to date, whilst men, of course can do no wrong, have created all of the world's finest things, done the most nobel acts and deserve fuill credit for where the world is today, but when they're dumped by women, these same women automatically earn the title of B**ches. He's just jealous because he never gets the adulation of 500 women writing him letters even though he's perfect. Ha! Remind me again - who are the penal institutions primary inhabitants?
You'reasian Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 I think Calzaghe has come onto something interesting, perhaps his post is a little emotionally driven but he brings up a good point. Why do women want to be with these guys? Is it the fame associated with high-profile cases? Wanting to take care of someone whom has wronged? wanting what they can't have? etc.
dreamergrl Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 I think Calzaghe has come onto something interesting, perhaps his post is a little emotionally driven but he brings up a good point. Why do women want to be with these guys? Is it the fame associated with high-profile cases? Wanting to take care of someone whom has wronged? wanting what they can't have? etc. He's talking about a group of women, not a high percentage of women. He's comparing that to being a "bad boy", which doesn't exactly have to mean killing people. Yes, there are some nut jobs out there that did this, but come on....
amaysngrace Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Why do women want to be with these guys? Is it the fame associated with high-profile cases? Wanting to take care of someone whom has wronged? wanting what they can't have? etc. I don't mean to sterotype here but I believe the term is "loser".
Tomcat33 Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 He's talking about a group of women, not a high percentage of women. That's just it, I don't think it is the kind of question the average person can answer since it is about such a nitch area of society. It is like asking why are some men into Pedephilia? Who the heck knows what makes these people do these kinds of things.
Author calazhage Posted February 5, 2009 Author Posted February 5, 2009 Well interestingly, these women are not writing from insane asylums. They are women from all fields, professions, and usually fairly intelligent and educated. This is a different thread, and not dealing with mere "bad boys". I could understand a charismatic, handsome bank robber having a following of women. But men who actually kill and dismember random women, men, and children? I do not think it is the fame, as there are many famous people to write to. And writing to serial killers does not make them famous. Male serial killers have no shortage of suitors. I wonder why? If they are attractive, then they have hordes of beautiful women after them...
amaysngrace Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Can I change my word from "loser" to "mental"? Is that allowed?
The Collector Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Because their genes promise successful reproduction. Not that they are aware of this reason, or that it actually works when the man is locked up for the rest of their life.
Tomcat33 Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Can I change my word from "loser" to "mental"? Is that allowed? Done! In my head at least....
Author calazhage Posted February 5, 2009 Author Posted February 5, 2009 Well, I have not read anything that they are "mental" at all. Once again, that is far too simple of an answer. And many women are attracted to different types of men. Some like rock stars and are groupies. Nerdy men, funny men, tough men, rich men, older men, younger men, popular guys, etc. There seems to be an awful lot attracted to serial killers. Is that an erotic turn on for these women? And why women? Why aren't very attractive and educated men, (or any men) throwing themselves by the thousands at female serial killers?
dreamergrl Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Well, I have not read anything that they are "mental" at all. Once again, that is far too simple of an answer. And many women are attracted to different types of men. Some like rock stars and are groupies. Nerdy men, funny men, tough men, rich men, older men, younger men, popular guys, etc. There seems to be an awful lot attracted to serial killers. Is that an erotic turn on for these women? And why women? Why aren't very attractive and educated men, (or any men) throwing themselves by the thousands at female serial killers? You know, I remember you saying how women are inferior to men, and when I gave plenty of examples of women inventors, you told me the list of male inventors would be soooo much longer. You are right about that (that doesn't mean women are inferior though), however the same goes with serial killers, how many women serial killers have there been opposed to male?
dreamergrl Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Can I change my word from "loser" to "mental"? Is that allowed? Are we talking about OP, the serial killer, or the women? Either way, it's changed in my book
Author calazhage Posted February 5, 2009 Author Posted February 5, 2009 The question is why do women love these men, and why do they become completely infatuated? How many female serial killers? At least dozens that have made the news.. I can only think of dozens of male serial killers as well. Nice side step, but doesn't answer the question.
Tony T Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 So what is it about so many women that attracts them to the absolute worst of the worst? They want to change him? It is erotic? A big challenge? Many women have a dream of changing a man and what better challenge than a serial killer or a mass murderer? If a woman can change him by some means she can change anybody. Writing the a letter is the first step in contact.
Jaytb Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Yeah I know, what's the deal with this? I mean, I've killed only three people, and I can't get a date anywhere!! It's maddening. They all must have high standards or something. </sarcasm> My guess, these women are fraught with issues of their own. Or they're doing this for fun. I don't think a lot of this is serious. (in other news, Drew Peterson's hot new girlfriend just moved in with him. Now she's wondering why she can't get life insurance.)
amaysngrace Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Many women have a dream of changing a man and what better challenge than a serial killer or a mass murderer? If a woman can change him by some means she can change anybody. Writing the a letter is the first step in contact. Yes that was my initial thought as well. White knight syndrome. Why it isn't reversed is too easy...men would rather rescue women they can actually get laid by.
dreamergrl Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 The question is why do women love these men, and why do they become completely infatuated? How many female serial killers? At least dozens that have made the news.. I can only think of dozens of male serial killers as well. Nice side step, but doesn't answer the question. There are by far more male serial killers then female. It's not a side step. You'll here more often about the male receiving contact from others because there's a great number. Female serial killers aren't as widely known. Also, females tend to have the nature to nurture. They want to make a difference. Like another poster said, some may be trying to change the killer. Others have their own problems, and in some ways can reach out or relation. Men don't have the tendency to do this.
The Collector Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Rather than off-topic attacks on the OP, some of you women could admit that male criminals tend to be more attractive to some women than female criminals are to men, and try and answer why that might. But like I said, it's because these anti-authority types have genes that promise successful reproduction, because they are (often) strong and wilful, and yes, alpha, if anti-social. The serial killer fan is just the most disturbing and disturbed end of that spectrum. Males don't (unconciously) prioritise strength in their female partners, they look for youth and the ability to have many offspring.
Taramere Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 I've posted this link before, but it's pretty relevant. The Yorkshire Ripper and his female fan club: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1318641.stm The women in that article seemed to swither between wanting to play an investigative role and having an attraction to him. Maybe in part it's the maternal urge gone awry. Isn't one of the first thoughts, re serial killers, about what his relationship with his mother was like? Whether he wasn't mothered properly? Perhaps the woman are buying into the theory that if a man's behaviour is abysmal it's the fault of a woman in his past, and it's in their power to compensate for the misdemeanours of whoever woman that was. On a far lesser scale, I've dealt with more than I should have done in a relationship because I knew the guy had been let down badly by a previous girlfriend. Plenty of threads on here have demonstrated other women doing something similar. Failure to hold people accountable, in the quest to sustain relationships with them. On one hand we argue against the "all/most women" generalisations levelled at us, on the other hand I think we accept some truth in them. Sometimes go overboard in trying to show that we're not like that. I've no doubt many men do the same thing, in their own way, and that's what leads to some of the disillusioned Nice Guy complaints here.
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 On one hand we argue against the "all/most women" generalisations levelled at us, on the other hand I think we accept some truth in them. Sometimes go overboard in trying to show that we're not like that. I've no doubt many men do the same thing, in their own way, and that's what leads to some of the disillusioned Nice Guy complaints here. I was going to post a scathing reply as to the point of this thread. I think the OP just hates women and wants to vent. Calazhage... if your really that bitter towards women, go gay, or move to a place where they are still 2nd class. Taramere... You pretty much redeemed this thread. I think that was very insightful, and I want to say thank you for posting that. I actually learned something.
Star Gazer Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Shelia Isenberg the author of, Women Who Love Men Who Kill, did an in dept psychological analysis of women who are drawn to men who had committed violent acts. During her research Isenberg interviewed many of the women themselves, as well as psychologists, social workers, and prison authorities. From Isenberg's research it's clear that these women are not all outcasts of society, uneducated ghetto residents, or trailer tramps. These women are teachers, nurses, social workers, waitresses, office workers, and housewives. Isenberg stated that many of the women have been victims of abuse and violence themselves. And there are those who know exactly what type of relationship they are getting into; but their capacity for denial, and the overwhelming desire for a safe, idealized, romantic fantasy of love eclipses their better judgment. Isenberg went on to say that; "this phenomenon involve a complicated series of reasons. The first reason is that if you are in a relationship with a man behind bars for life or a man on death row, then you have a lot of control over the relationship. You can decide when to make the visit, when to accept the phone call, or if you will accept the call, and you are that man's primary link with the outside world. So as you can clearly see it's a very powerful position to be in." In addition to power and control, women in relationship with men behind bars receive nearly absolute attention from the inmate; with little or no distraction or serious competition. Men in prison have hours of free time to study the women they are involved. These men study the women's vulnerability and personality traits and use this knowledge to manipulate the women to meet their immediate needs and desires. After all, serial killers and murderers were predators in the real world. Why would anyone think that they would change in prison? Isenberg points out that; "when you have a man with notoriety, like a serial killer, like Ted Bundy, or Richard Ramirez, or the Melendez brothers, or someone like Scott Peterson, there is a different element. Then the women are also attracted to the notoriety and the fame, and this is her 15 minutes of fame." http://ezinearticles.com/?Unrequited-Love---Women-Who-Love-Serial-Killers-and-Men-on-Death-Row&id=645902
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