chris250 Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 It seems like the older I get the higher women raise their standards for what they expect out of a relationship. It only gets worse as I get older. What do I mean? well a guy having his own place, good looks, fancy looking car, clean cut, opening the doors for ladies, having a steady career & steady finances, he can fix things around the house, is no longer enough for many women. It's kind of like how it is with education nowadays. It's no longer enough in the eyes of employers that you have a high school and a college degree. Sure those things you need at the bare minimum but they are not enough. Unfortunately women are looking for much more than that. The above I mentioned are no longer considered qualities that she's looking for. Why? because those are things that she already expects him to have on the surface at the minimum before she'll even give him a time of day. Those are bare minimum requirements but they are not enough in the eyes of many women. If a guy is too afraid of intimacy and he doesn't want to get married or live with a woman he's rejected as relationship material even if he already has the above characteristics firmly in place. Now there's nothing wrong with women wanting perfection in a guy. Why not just come out and say "I am looking for a guy who never argues with me, always agrees with me, will do whatever I want when I want it?" Why not just come out and admit "I want a man who thinks I'm more important in this relationship than he is?" or "I want a man who will always make excuses for my actions and does not see me as having any responsibility whatsoever in this relationship." Those phrases ought to be pinned on every woman's profile on dating sites.
carhill Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Yep, by the time they get to be my age, only Donald Trump will do. Thank God I can wear my Levi's, drive my vintage Mustang in peace and enjoy the quiet freedom of a modest home. When I was your age, I yearned for a woman to share all that with. Now, I have a cat on my lap and am quite content
Tony T Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 While you would have flunked out of my university for generalizing overall, I think your last sentence may have a lot of truth to it. It, also, is a generalization but I do think that a great many females fall into that category. I'm also very sure that a lot of females feel that males often feel they are more important than their partners in relationships. We do live in a very selfish era of civilization, which is most unfortunate. You cannot happily carry on with anyone while expecting to get much more from it than the other person.
Author chris250 Posted February 5, 2009 Author Posted February 5, 2009 Hey at least back in the caveman days men were a guaranteed candidate for marriage as long as they were financially secure. The only requirement is that you demonstrated that you could take care of her physical needs. That's because back then marriage was more about survival than it was about love.
Trialbyfire Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 I'd like to apologize for the female gender because we expect to be prioritized in a man's life. This also means we'll prioritize him in our lives. Now I understand what a challenge this can be for men but we can't help our self-entitlement...
clv0116 Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 They don't seem so different now than 20 years ago, but now I have a lot more to offer and it's made things a lot simpler. My advice to all younger men is try to concentrate on improving yourself and your career and everything else will fall into place.
Woggle Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 As long as these women are willing to meet the standards they set for others more power to them but too often that is not the case. If anybody male or female is going to demand so much of a person they should be willing to give it in return.
SoulSearch_CO Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 I don't expect a man to be able to offer anything further than what I could bring to the table in a relationship. I pay my own bills, can feed myself, pay for my own car (why the heck would I care what he drives?), etc. As for the whole "you must agree with me" part...hmm. You meet some interesting women, Chris. Because I get freaking turned on when my BF disagrees with me on something. LOL It means he has a mind and intelligence of his own and his own opinions. I adore him for HIM - would not be interested in him at all if all he could do was agree with me. I like being challenged - it's a compliment. I'm trying to figure out where you guys are meeting these women that only want sugar daddies that provide the dough and allow them to sit home on feathered pillows while being adored 24/7.
unacceptable62 Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Wow dude, you seem like you want your women to follow your every footstep.
PinkKittyKat Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 What do I mean? well a guy having his own place, good looks, fancy looking car, clean cut, opening the doors for ladies, having a steady career & steady finances, he can fix things around the house, is no longer enough for many women. (...) Those are bare minimum requirements but they are not enough in the eyes of many women. If a guy is too afraid of intimacy and he doesn't want to get married or live with a woman he's rejected as relationship material even if he already has the above characteristics firmly in place. I have the opposite standards.... I want a guy who isn't afraid of intimacy and might want to get married/live with me. That's the IMPORTANT one. All of the top listed? Negotiable. No matter how good looking a guy is or how much money he makes, what good is having a relationship with him if he can't commit? You hand me a clean-cut guy who has a fancy car, money, fixes things around the house while he holds the door open for me. Okay, that's all very nice, but he wants to act like he's single and says I'm being picky if I ask him if we can maybe move in together? Hahaha, hell no. I'd rather date a devoted, loving scruffy metalhead who adores me and doesn't know beans about fixing anything and has to take public transit cause he can't drive. As long as he's open to the relationship going somewhere and has no intimacy issues. Your question seems like a no brainer. "Why on earth are these dizzy dames rejecting all my shallow surface qualities!? Why would they give a crap about intimacy and getting married/cohabiting?"
Taramere Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Why not just come out and say "I am looking for a guy who never argues with me, always agrees with me, will do whatever I want when I want it?" I know it's a generally directed question, but I'll give a personal reason for not saying that. It's because I enjoy arguing. I don't mean in a Jerry Springer punching and slapping way....or an irritating "I'm going to disagree with everything you say just for the sake of it" way. What I mean is conversation that stimulates lateral thinking. Some long suffering "yes dear" or "whatever you say" plodding type would make me cry with boredom/feel like slapping his face until my arm was tired (kidding about the slapping bit - but I would find it irritating). "I want a man who will always make excuses for my actions and does not see me as having any responsibility whatsoever in this relationship." See above. You want honesty in a woman, but only if that honesty confirms your own prejudices. I like men who argue if they're doing it because they're interested in the subject, disagree with certain points I'm making - or actions I've taken - and have something to say about it. I don't mind questioning my own actions, and I don't mind if others do it, and hold me to account. If they do it intelligently and have a reasonable sense of proportion about it. If I get a sense that they're arguing/picking fault because a) I'm male, she's female...that's a good enough reason for me to disagree with anything she says, or b) Women secretly love men who argue with them, so I'll pick holes in everything she says c) his idea of good conversation consists of endless whining then that's just a turn off. If I get the sense that he's arguing because he's a smart, opinionated, passionate man who thinks I'm being wrong or unfair then that's very cool. The argument has to be interesting and/or amusing for both sides for it to work. Once the business of circular whining and nagging sets in, it's no longer an argument. Usually it's a discussion that's reached the end of its life and needs to be put to sleep for everyone's sake. You seem like the whining kind. There's no reason why you can't evolve into someone more attractive and interesting, but you'll probably need to spend a bit of time learning some of that accountability and honesty (with yourself about yourself) that you complain women lack. It may be that you've had a really bad break up, and you're still feeling raw about it. Getting that "nothing I do is right in the eyes of the opposite sex" feeling. Who doesn't get that after a bad break up? Most of us have probably spent a period of our lives wallowing in self pity and being horrendously draining for everyone who has the patience and courtesy to listen to us. Sooner or later, it's time to wake up and decide to improve yourself rather than hope that the rest of the world will change if you complain enough about it. Why not start now?
Trimmer Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 women are raising their standards Could it be that their standards are staying exactly the same, but you are regressing and actually falling further and further behind as the years go by?
PinkKittyKat Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Could it be that their standards are staying exactly the same, but you are regressing and actually falling further and further behind as the years go by? Hahaha Hey Trimmer, I love how you're always thinking outside the box!
Geishawhelk Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Could it be that their standards are staying exactly the same, but you are regressing and actually falling further and further behind as the years go by? Yes, yes, yes yes and yes!! The most interesting men I know are in the older bracket, because 'men' are no longer 'men' any more. They have no sense of pride, identity, ambition, purpose or direction. This is not necessarily all their fault. I have to emphasise this. But hell's bells, as Bonnie Tyler sang - Where have all the good men gone And where are all the gods? Where's the street-wise Hercules To fight the rising odds? They need to play us at our own game, because we played them at theirs - and won.
Woggle Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 After 35 years of feminists trying to neuter men what did they expect to happpen? Women complain that good men don't exist anymore but the same complaints can be made about women. Where have all the real women gone? This is what I mean when I say that many women think they are just the greatest catch in the world while all men are beneath when in reality besides looks these women have very little to offer.
calazhage Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Yes, yes, yes yes and yes!! The most interesting men I know are in the older bracket, because 'men' are no longer 'men' any more. They have no sense of pride, identity, ambition, purpose or direction. This is true, but why? Men used to fight in wars, explore, conquer, raise a family at a young age, etc. Now men are doing what? Sitting in a frickin office surrounded by women. Not what men are cut out to do. The feminist movement has also done it's best to neuter men. Don't pursue her, or you are a stalker! Don't compliment her or you will be sued for harassment! Women are raised to be "independent". Not really easy or natural to date one of those girls.. The one good thing is that it sure is easier to have sex with random women these days. And to be honest, I am not sure how "good" that is for real intimacy. Men and women do not need each other for much anymore. They do if they want to live a truly fulfilled life, but money, lust, and materialism has filled the void of intimacy, love, and partnership for many.
Geishawhelk Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 After 35 years of feminists trying to neuter men what did they expect to happpen? This compares to the 3 millennia during which time women were relegated to the level of chatels and 2nd - or even 3rd - class citizens. In the last 35 years women have begun to rise and match men. It's only taken 35 years. And men are already complaining.. As I said in my post - I don't necessarily hold men to be completely responsible or to blame for this turn-about. but it IS a social problem. Women complain that good men don't exist anymore but the same complaints can be made about women. Where have all the real women gone? By "Real Women" are you talking about the little subservient, obedient and timid wall-flower doormats of yesteryear? I think not. I hope not! What, in your view, is a "Real Woman"? This is true, but why? Men used to fight in wars, explore, conquer, raise a family at a young age, etc. Now men are doing what? Sitting in a frickin office surrounded by women. Not what men are cut out to do. I could not agree more. And you know why? Machines. The manufacturing industry no longer trains apprentices in manual skills, because machines have been created to do the jobs in a 3rd of the time at a fraction of the cost. The result is, that men have to do cerebral, sedentary, academic jobs. Which is all very well, if this is what they're cut out to do. And a lot - A LOT - of them aren't. This is not to say that they're not intelligent, clever, intellectual or mentally capable. It takes a high degree of skill to perform productive labour-intensive manufacturing tasks. It's just that the jobs aren't there any more. And men are losing both their brawn and brain. It's freckin' criminal. The feminist movement has also done it's best to neuter men. Don't pursue her, or you are a stalker! Don't compliment her or you will be sued for harassment! Women are raised to be "independent". Not really easy or natural to date one of those girls.. We can't blame it all on the feminist movement. That has gone some way to screwing up feminine identity too.... The general advancement of society has been largely responsible. There are a multitude of causes, conditions and revolutions that have changed the face of social interaction irreversibly and for ever.... Men and women do not need each other for much anymore. They do if they want to live a truly fulfilled life, but money, lust, and materialism has filled the void of intimacy, love, and partnership for many. And as things stand (with enough sperm in frozen state to re-populate the world at least 70 times over) it's getting to the point where men are needed, physically, far less than they ever were......
Woggle Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 A real woman is one that is willing to return what she demands of men. It certainly isn't these spoiled queens we have today with zero sense of accountability who have a cindarella entitelement complex and feminist hatred against men in general that just makes them a nightmare to be involved with. I don't want a doormat but with these women today many men are deciding it is just easier to find some stepford wife from a foreign country which is increasingly becoming the only option for a man that wants a happy marriage that lasts. You say men are not cut out for intellectual and academic jobs but what about all the male scientists, professors, artists, philosophers, ceos, small business owners and many others who are experts at these jobs. Men have always performed cerebral and academic tasks and many still do but we don't have the same sense of honor and duty that we used to have. We don't have the same gentlemenly qualities we used to have because frankly most women don't deserve that kind of treatment these days. It kills me when women complain about chivalry being dead when they killed it. Right now men are losing the battle of the sexes because most of us have lost our backbone but if men ever do grow our balls back we can crush feminism. If a man in this society has respect for himself and refuses to be a doormat he will have a great life but not enough men have that backbone. Maybe I should write a book.
calazhage Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 And as things stand (with enough sperm in frozen state to re-populate the world at least 70 times over) it's getting to the point where men are needed, physically, far less than they ever were...... Geisha, lol... But just think.. Science is also close to inventing an "artificial womb".. If that ever happened, what would the role of women be? Basically look pretty and be for enjoyment. Men are the inventors and have the cerebral qualities necessary. Not women, sorry. Women still are not the builders, inventors, and innovators. Women are STILL NOT CAPABLE of doing so many of the jobs men do. On the other hand, men can do any job that women can do.. Who protects you? Male police and armed forces. And you forget. Who will take care of these artificially inseminated women? The govt? In the future, (and already) women are becoming merely sex objects to pay half the bills..great progress!
Woggle Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 I don't agree that women aren't builders, inventors and innovators because there are many that are quite good at all of those things. Usually the successful ones don't that feminist sense of entitlement and chip on their shoulder. In the near future science will probably be able to produce humans without a sperm or an egg. I find the whole tit for tat game dumb but I admit I would get a pleasure out of seeing creating a baby without a woman even if it is in a lab.
dreamergrl Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Geisha, lol... But just think.. Science is also close to inventing an "artificial womb".. If that ever happened, what would the role of women be? Basically look pretty and be for enjoyment. Men are the inventors and have the cerebral qualities necessary. Not women, sorry. Women still are not the builders, inventors, and innovators. Women are STILL NOT CAPABLE of doing so many of the jobs men do. On the other hand, men can do any job that women can do.. Women are far more capable of looking pretty and being around for you enjoyment. I've seen you post this in other threads, you obviously are just someone who dislikes women in general. We need both men and women to keep a balance in life. The world would not continue to grow if we didn't have both men and women. Back to the OP... Chris, come on... I get the feeling that perhaps maybe you have been rejected again. You're looking to find blame in other places besides yourself. Look at all the silly threads you start.
Geishawhelk Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Science is also close to inventing an "artificial womb".. If that ever happened, what would the role of women be? Basically look pretty and be for enjoyment. Men are the inventors and have the cerebral qualities necessary. Not women, sorry. Women still are not the builders, inventors, and innovators. Women are STILL NOT CAPABLE of doing so many of the jobs men do. On the other hand, men can do any job that women can do.. Now see, you had me on your side until you came out with this crap. The bottom line is that this isn't what it's about. The bottom line is that women excel at some things, and men at others. That doesn't make men any better than women, or women any better than men. I think we should find what it is we all excel at and do that job. men are capable of strenuous physical tasks, but are not good at sustaining a general median level of strength over a prolonged period of time. Women suck at strong, physically challenging work, but are capable of maintaining a steady level of energy over a prolonged period. Which is why men make good coal-miners, but women make good loom operators. Men can build. Women can create. Men can fight. women can patch up and administer. We all have our fortes, and we all compliment one another. If the sexes spent more time on figuring ways to constructively work together instead of constantly singing the "Anything you can do" song, this world would be a far better, kinder, nicer and more peaceful place.
calazhage Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Woggle, how much infrastructure have women built? Physically built? Roads? Skyscrapers? Buildings? How many bricks have the laid? How much oil have they drilled for? How many power plans did they build? How much coal have they mined? My post is in response to geishas.. She is the one saying men are obsolete..Please....
Woggle Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Woggle, how much infrastructure have women built? Physically built? Roads? Skyscrapers? Buildings? How many bricks have the laid? How much oil have they drilled for? How many power plans did they build? How much coal have they mined? My post is in response to geishas.. She is the one saying men are obsolete..Please.... True but I do know some women that are good at those things. This is why I would welcome an artificial womb. Since feminists seem so obsess with cutting men out of parenting I admit it would be great to be able create a human without a woman just to rub it in their face.
calazhage Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Men can build. Women can create. Men can fight. women can patch up and administer. /quote] I mean, where do people come up with this? Whom invented almost everything we use today? That is not creating? I cannot stand this PC bull. So men fight and do manual labor? While women create and patch things up? LMAO Put 2 women together and they can barely get along with each other.. I guess it just sounds good to you, but it is quite ridiculous. Please name one job women do better, because they are women..
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