Adamagnet Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 If you consider hunting a "red flag" would you also place fishing in the same category?
Geishawhelk Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 yes. (It wants 10 characters or more. Well, there you go!)
Trialbyfire Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 If I were like you, I would use psychological terms to describe the manifestations of a need to hunt or kill for men, where it all begins with a freudian frustration of feeling powerless over the sexual urges towards their mothers. I'm not like you so I'll just express my opinion in common words. Neither are red flags to me unless men hunt solely for reasons of trophy. If the entire animal is being consumed, then it's all good. Fishing is and can be fun.
melodymatters Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 LOL, good question ! I am a high heel wearing, NY'er, college educated, theater producer who votes mostly liberal, and I LOVE to hunt and fish ! I have no problem baiting my hooks and gutting my own fish, but I have never dressed out a deer. I find hunting perfectly acceptrable as long as you eat the meat, and if extra, give it too friends family and or food banks. I do NOT agree with trophy hunting.
Author Adamagnet Posted January 22, 2009 Author Posted January 22, 2009 If I were like you, I would use psychological terms to describe the manifestations of a need to hunt or kill for men, where it all begins with a freudian frustration of feeling powerless over the sexual urges towards their mothers. Why do you feel the need to be flagrantly tangential?
Author Adamagnet Posted January 22, 2009 Author Posted January 22, 2009 LOL, good question ! I am a high heel wearing, NY'er, college educated, theater producer who votes mostly liberal, and I LOVE to hunt and fish ! Do you partake in these activities with other women or are you the outlier?
EnigmaXOXO Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Hunting is more like going in for the kill. I prefer the “catch and release” philosophy of fishing. This way, if it doesn’t measure up, you can always toss the lil’ feller back and it lives to grow another day to become the prized trophy on the end of someone else’s hook. As long as no one’s being gutted or devoured for sport ... no harm done. Well. Except for that hole in your lip.
O'Malley Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 My father hunted on fair chase principles, and my siblings and I went out in the field with him on occasion. I love the outdoors and camping, but I am not personally interested in hunting or fishing. And I loathe anyone involved with canned hunts, and some of the outfitter industry.
kashmir Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I think the type of hunting where you go out with tons of equipment, a rifle, and lots of ammo to kill deer is stupid. There's no sport in that. You're just doing it to feel power over an animal. Now, my brother and I have discussed this, and someday we want to go big game hunting in Africa. I don't know if I'd ever be insane enough to do this, but my ultimate thrill-seeking experience is to go tiger hunting with nothing but a bowie knife and a scoped .44 magnum with only three rounds.
allina Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 In my opinion any man who hunts/fishes for fun or sport is uncivilized and disgusting. I would never, ever, EVER associate with someone who hunted or fished. And yes they're the same, killing an animal is killing an animal
D-Lish Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I hate the thought of hunting, or anyone doing it. I could never date a guy that killed animals for sport. Fishing is different, not sure why I feel that way - I don't like it, but don't view it the same way. I would never participate in fishing- because I cannot stand to see anything writhing in pain. I was at the grocery store today and the dude in front of me put a plastic bag down with a live lobster in it. It horrified me, I felt so sad. I also once ran over a pigeon when I was driving. I had to pull over and cry. I can't stand the thought of innocent creatures in pain. But- and you may find this weird... I could sit through an execution of a child molester, serial rapist or serial killer. If someone handed me a gun and said I had two choices: Shoot the deer- or shoot the convicted child molester. I'd shoot the child molester without hesitation.
allina Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 But- and you may find this weird... I could sit through an execution of a child molester, serial rapist or serial killer. I couldn't agree more.
kashmir Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 If someone handed me a gun and said I had two choices: Shoot the deer- or shoot the convicted child molester. I'd shoot the child molester without hesitation. Honestly, I find that kind of disgusting. Yes, child molesters are criminals who prey on the most innocent of us, but many of them are mentally retarded who have crappy enough lives as it is without people saying they'd choose to shoot them over a deer. They don't deserve to be shot, or for that matter exploited on national television to the point where they commit suicide, they deserve to be put away, treated, and studied. Executions are the biggest waste of time, money, and scientific resources in this country.
Trialbyfire Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 But- and you may find this weird... I could sit through an execution of a child molester, serial rapist or serial killer. If someone handed me a gun and said I had two choices: Shoot the deer- or shoot the convicted child molester. I'd shoot the child molester without hesitation. I'm 100% with you D, on both of these comments!
curiousnycgirl Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I agree with many on this thread - I agree with D-lish and TBF et al - and would say that I could definitely shoot a child molester. I also agree with Melody - there is nothing wrong with hunting as long as what is shot is meant to be eaten. Which means she and I both agree with those of you who say that hunting as a sport is not right. (who would have thought 2 New Yorkers would say that?). I also agree with D-lish that I cannot stand to see anything suffer, so you better be a damn good shot! I can only hunt birds, as I know I can get them with a single shell - I would be too afraid to shoot a deer and just hurt it. However I disagree with Melody in that I ain't no liberal!
Star Gazer Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I could never ever ever ever ever ever ever date a hunter. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with fishing. I cannot eat meat (or even cook it) when it's on the bone - no ribs, no chicken, no lamb shank. It reminds me it used to be an animal. But I can have a whole cooked fish land on my plate and be totally fine with it. I honestly have no idea why I'm so contradictory in this regard.
allina Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I could never ever ever ever ever ever ever date a hunter. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with fishing. I cannot eat meat (or even cook it) when it's on the bone - no ribs, no chicken, no lamb shank. It reminds me it used to be an animal. But I can have a whole cooked fish land on my plate and be totally fine with it. I honestly have no idea why I'm so contradictory in this regard. That's weird, and it makes me sad And just because someone gutted the animal and ripped the bones out of it after slaughtering it you forget that it was a LIVING, INNOCENT animal? And it USED to be an animal? It still IS an animal. It's just now dead and its flesh cooked.
Isolde Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I agree with StarGazer in that I conceptualize hunting and fishing very differently. I see fishing as something relaxed and benign and hunting as something much more aggressive. I'm not saying these are logical feelings, but there you go.
D-Lish Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Honestly, I find that kind of disgusting. Yes, child molesters are criminals who prey on the most innocent of us, but many of them are mentally retarded who have crappy enough lives as it is without people saying they'd choose to shoot them over a deer. They don't deserve to be shot, or for that matter exploited on national television to the point where they commit suicide, they deserve to be put away, treated, and studied. Executions are the biggest waste of time, money, and scientific resources in this country. You can't treat a child molester. They are not mentally retarded. I wouldn't shoot a mentally retarded person. If I was faced with the dilemma- shoot the deer, or shoot Corky, I'd have an issue. Human beings have cognition- they have understanding, they have the ability to make choices. A pedophile will never, ever respond to treatment. They are also rarely kept in the system for life. They get released- and they re-offend. If you have ever worked with molested children- seen the damage inflicted upon them... heard their stories, you might feel differently. My first profession was as a Child and Youth Counsellor in a group home. I dealt mainly with abused children. The worst case I ever worked on was horrific. An 18 year old girl that had been violated, raped, molested by HER OWN PARENTS. She was 5 years old when the system took her. She was admitted to the hospital because her mother had turned on a curling iron and violated her daughter. That's right- this sick woman turned on a curling iron and put it into her daughter's vagina. The father- he pimped her and her brother out to strangers for money. That is the worst case I had to oversee, but I saw lots of awful, tragic, mind-boggling things. So... Could I sit through the execution of that girls mother and father? YES. If someone gave me a gun and said I had no choice but to kill the deer or Shoot the child molester that turned this girls life into a living hell... the deer is so safe. Heck- the choice could be between a spider and the molester- the spider will be spared.
underpants Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 In my area hunting is huge. I actually saw a bumper sticker today that read "save hunting stop sprawl". I don't agree with sprawl, but not to save hunting. I also heard a interesting interview on NPR about animals and that the deer tick is becoming more of a predator to humans because of less deer. There was some discussion regarding human instincts and hunting. I can see Allina's point of view and I respect that. Yet, I do think there is a balance, circle of life thing. From my observations there are two types of hunters (I put fisherman in the same boat ). Both obviously enjoy the experience and sport of it, but the good ones IMO are very respectful of the land, the animal and take no more then they need. Then there are the jerks that run dogs through the woods to flush out the deer and wait on the side of a country highway with a rifle. Which is illegal, but in remote areas the risk is kind of low. I don't see hunting or fishing as a red flag. However, anything dead and mounted would not be too cool with me. A great friend to me growing up hunted everything. He was Elmer Fudd. Any time I went to his house I was offered something and was always too scared to try (rabbit, frog, snake, squirrel, deer, coon...whatever). Same response to my turned up nose. "It's good eatin'". He is the only person I have witnessed take the time and risk to untangle a deer from a barbed wire fence, so it could get back to it's Momma. No heads on the wall, but he did eat what he killed. I think that is how he was raised. I can respect that too.
Isolde Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 A pedophile will never, ever respond to treatment. But surely pedophiles come from different backgrounds and pathologies and thus vary in their behavior? Perhaps they are sicker on average than most other criminals, but I'm sure a few of them could be rehabilitated.
confused_2008 Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I always get a kick out of the people that never like to think about the meat they're eating as once being a living animal. Everybody likes the pretty pink slab of beef wrapped up in plastic in their local supermarket, but they cringe at the thought of where it comes from. And, as far as hunting goes, I personally am huge into hunting. Waterfowl, deer and turkeys mainly. I am not a hick but I am not a pretty city boy going into the fields with thousands of dollars worth of gear. Those are two extremes with all kinds of people in between. Most people hunt for the camaraderie, just being outside and appreciating the outdoors, etc. I have so many memories of waking up early to go sit out in the woods or on the edge of a field somewhere waiting for a flock of geese to come in or a deer to come sneaking through the woods. Killing something is a really small part of the experience. *As an interesting piece of trivia for those that don't like thinking about animals being slaughtered, have you seen No Country for Old Men and wondered about his weapon of choice, or is that obvious to everybody?
underpants Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 *As an interesting piece of trivia for those that don't like thinking about animals being slaughtered, have you seen No Country for Old Men and wondered about his weapon of choice, or is that obvious to everybody? It is what they slaughter cattle with. Compressed air. I did wonder what the psi was set at? That was a great movie.
confused_2008 Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 It is what they slaughter cattle with. Compressed air. I did wonder what the psi was set at? That was a great movie. I personally thought the movie was crap, but generally the more confusing and ridiculous the movie is, the more people rave about it. Anyway, to get back on track...hunting = fishing = appreciation of the outdoors.
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