Author chris250 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Posted January 27, 2009 I've read your other threads and I really hope you get some serious counseling. As it stands now you will not have to worry about a second date because if you speak to them the way you write here, about your ideas, etc. Any woman in her right mind would not give you a second date. I am not writing this to create anger or hurt you or anything else of that sort. I really feel from your posts that you are screwed up mentally either by models of relationships that you have had or lack of them - I don't know. You are so incredibly phobic and closed off for someone who has never had any experience with the opposite sex. Your mind is seriously twisted abnormally. A therapist may help you get some things sorted out and at least get you on the right track as far as normal human social behavior. Because you are sadly lacking in social skills. Were you home schooled and kept away from other children growing up? Did you suffer major trauma or abuse? If you are uncomfortable answering then don't. But please seek help. I am so serious about this. You need help. What is normal? If normal human social behavior means being like you then I have no desire to be normal. I'm happy being the way I am. Women can either accept me for who I am or move on but I'm not going to change for anybody! I'm free to be the way I am as long as I don't do anything illegal. So no I have no desire to be normal like you. I have no desire to be like anybody on this board especially those who think they are qualified to define what is normal. I don't remember voting you in to be God and setting the standard as to what is normal.
dreamergrl Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 dreamergrl - it's difficult to argue with chris250 because what he's proposing is not "illegal". It doesn't make sense, but not illegal. It's kind of like a guy that gets dressed up, updates his resume, and go on job interviews all the time, but he never accepts any job offers. He just keeps going on interviews. Is he allowed to do that? Of course. Is that normal? Nope. Is there a point to doing that? Nope. But whatever floats his boat. Anyway I don't believe this is what he will be doing. Watch, the second he lands girl he fancies, god will directly speak to his heart and he will suddenly experience a divine intervention, and get into a relationship. It may not be illegal, but look at it this way... Some people are forced to continue to go on job interviews, in part of their unemployment, or welfare benefits. It shows that they want to work, but cannot for various reasons. However, some of these people purposely screw up their interview because they just don't want to work. They rather live off the system. I find that offensive, and it is also similar to what OP is doing here. Because I don't want to pay for her dinner if we're just going to be friends. I don't pay for a friend's expenses when we hang out. That's why I don't want the friendship title. You expect me to just be friends with a woman and pay for her dinner and I get the short end of the stick. You wont even make friends, because you wont be seeing them again. Your logic makes no sense. You'll always get the short end of the stick because you'll never know what it could have been. Are you blind to see reasoning beyond your own thick skull? I have no desire to waste my hard earned money on therapy. I don't need to talk to some money hungry therapist. This is the kind of life I'm meant to live from now until the day I die. As long as I'm going to heaven after I die that's fine with me. I'm going to be miserable for 80 years and then go to heaven. If a woman is going to friend-zone me then she should pay for her own meal. Friends should pay their own way. Then let other people pay. You'll never be anything more then friends (if at all that. You cannot create anything more then a one night dinner with someone you don't know out of one night of dinner.
LoveLace Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Because I'm the one paying for the date. So I have every right to care whether she's going to hire me or not. Hire you for WHAT? More dates that are never going to happen? You don't get it. No one is saying it's illegal. You can do whatever you want but this is a place for opinions and most opinions say that it's twisted. Not illegal, but twisted. And NO a date does not mean committment, does it ever? The point is you are going into the situation with every intention to drop the girl immediately after wards without considering any future dates with her. That is what's wrong with this! It's not intended to get to know her or desire to spend more time with her. And weather you like it or not that is what women want, so by doing this, not only are they not getting what they desire, but you are using them to get what YOU desire. By treating her special and showing her a good time that is going to impress her. A woman thinks if a guy is going out of his way to impress her, then he must be really into her and will to continue to impress her AFTER this date. Therefore you are giving these women a totally false impression of who you really are. There is nothing cool about that. The only RIGHT way to go about any type of dating of relationship is to be honest up front about what you want, like this: "I just want friends with benefits", or "I just want a casual relationship", or "I'm looking for a serious relationship." So the only right way for you would be to say, "I only have 1 date per woman and I'm not looking for sex or a relationship so there will be no contact between us after this." Try that, then come back and tell us how well it goes over. By not being honest about your intentions, puts you right up there with what women see as "players" and jerks and what not. So if you are ok with that, then go right ahead...
Author chris250 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Posted January 27, 2009 Because I'm the one paying for the date. So I have every right to care whether she's going to hire me or not. Hire you for WHAT? More dates that are never going to happen? You don't get it. No one is saying it's illegal. You can do whatever you want but this is a place for opinions and most opinions say that it's twisted. Not illegal, but twisted. And NO a date does not mean committment, does it ever? The point is you are going into the situation with every intention to drop the girl immediately after wards without considering any future dates with her. That is what's wrong with this! It's not intended to get to know her or desire to spend more time with her. And weather you like it or not that is what women want, so by doing this, not only are they not getting what they desire, but you are using them to get what YOU desire. By treating her special and showing her a good time that is going to impress her. A woman thinks if a guy is going out of his way to impress her, then he must be really into her and will to continue to impress her AFTER this date. Therefore you are giving these women a totally false impression of who you really are. There is nothing cool about that. The only RIGHT way to go about any type of dating of relationship is to be honest up front about what you want, like this: "I just want friends with benefits", or "I just want a casual relationship", or "I'm looking for a serious relationship." So the only right way for you would be to say, "I only have 1 date per woman and I'm not looking for sex or a relationship so there will be no contact between us after this." Try that, then come back and tell us how well it goes over. By not being honest about your intentions, puts you right up there with what women see as "players" and jerks and what not. So if you are ok with that, then go right ahead... The problem is that women want to spend more time with me ONLY if their interest level is high enough in the first place. If she's lost interest after the 1st date then she's not going to care whether I disappear or not. She's not going to care whether I ask her out again or not. So first things first. Her interest level needs to be there in the first place before I can even begin worrying about wasting her time. She would have wasted the same amount of time if she had gone out on the date and lost interest afterwards whether I intend to ask her out again or not. You are putting the cart before the horse here. I'd rather worry first about whether or not her interest level will be high enough to even want to spend more time with me in the future. If she loses interest then it becomes a non-issue whether or not I want to pursue another date. You are assuming that she's going to be interested enough to even care about whether or not I'm looking for a 2nd date. She does not care about my feelings. I've learned a long time ago not to assume anything. If anything always assume that her interest level is low until proven otherwise beyond a shadow of a doubt. She won't know my intentions and guess what I'll never know what her intentions are either. It's unrealistic to think I can know what her intentions are on the first date. For all I know she could have accepted the date only because she's bored and has nothing better to do with her time. If that is the case then again my intentions to drop her after the 1st date become a non-issue. After the 1st date on Friday she may not consider me a good looking guy and then she'll disappear. I'll never know this. I'll find another woman who considers me good looking. Now if the first date goes well and she shows signs that she wants to see me again then we can all discuss whether or not I should ask her out on future dates. Until then all this discussion is all for nothing.
LoveLace Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 So now you are saying that you will consider 2nd dates with women who are interested enough, after swearing that every woman only gets 1 date with you for the rest of your life no matter what. If the 1st statement is true then you are not doing anything that men and women both don't already do every single day. And there is no woman who goes out on a date without hoping that he's a gentleman and someone who can show her a good time. If he does that, she'll likely want a 2nd date. So that is a woman's intention and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out...especially if she had already expressed enough interest to go out with you in the beginning. At that point she is already wondering if the 1st date will lead to a 2nd one, depending on how it goes.
Author chris250 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Posted January 27, 2009 So now you are saying that you will consider 2nd dates with women who are interested enough, after swearing that every woman only gets 1 date with you for the rest of your life no matter what. If the 1st statement is true then you are not doing anything that men and women both don't already do every single day. And there is no woman who goes out on a date without hoping that he's a gentleman and someone who can show her a good time. If he does that, she'll likely want a 2nd date. So that is a woman's intention and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out...especially if she had already expressed enough interest to go out with you in the beginning. At that point she is already wondering if the 1st date will lead to a 2nd one, depending on how it goes. I am saying that if I succeed on the first date then I will come back here and then we can all debate over whether or not it's a good idea to go out on a 2nd date. Let's see what kind of grade she'll give me on my report card on the first date first. Yes her interest level in me is the grade that she's giving me on my report card.
dilly Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 I understand now. This is his fantasy date and he wants to relive it over and over again like groundhog day. Totally crazy but to each his own my friend.
Geishawhelk Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 I'm just hoping he doesn't actually pull out a score-sheet at the end of the date, and check the boxes... "How do you think tonight went? Are you - 1) Extremely satisfied? 2) Quite satisfied? 3) Satisfied? 4) slightly dissatisfied? 5) Very dissatisfied?" But you know what? I really REALLY wouldn't put it past him.
dreamergrl Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 I feel more and more stupid just being a part of this thread. But here it goes anyway.. I'm curious, what happen to divine intervention to show you the way? You skirted around all the advice given to you, saying that your first post is the only way to go, now you may go on a second date. You better get your head straight before Friday, or you wont need to figure out if there needs to be a second date.
Geishawhelk Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I feel more and more stupid just being a part of this thread.... Oh goodness, you too....? I know, it's a bit like carcrash TV... I'm just dying to see what happens next.....!!
anne1707 Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Oh goodness, you too....? I know, it's a bit like carcrash TV... I'm just dying to see what happens next.....!! You know you shouldn't watch but something just makes you take a peek. And the you think why did I bother. Such a waste of effort.
dreamergrl Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Oh goodness, you too....? I know, it's a bit like carcrash TV... I'm just dying to see what happens next.....!! You know you shouldn't watch but something just makes you take a peek. And the you think why did I bother. Such a waste of effort. Exactly! I'm so glad someone understands, I was about to feel crazy for even replying
LoveLace Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 First the poster went from only 1 date limit per woman and now he's saying that he will have to come back and discuss with us weather or not a 2nd date is a good idea... OP do you really need to be that dependent on other people for such a simple decision? If date 1 goes well, ask her on a 2nd one. Don't use fear of rejection as an excuse. It's life; we ALL fear rejection but some choose to let it run their lives, for example they will start coming up with weird plans like only 1 date per person, no sex and no relationships. The only way to get over rejection is to take the bull by the horns and keep striking out until you hit a home run.
peteyj Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I'm starting to think this is just some kid with too much time on his hands. First he starts out claiming only wanting one date. Then he has a problem with being 'only friends' and not wanting to pay for their food. Um many people who go out on dates aren't even friends yet. The reason they are going on a date is to find out a little more about the other person. So unless your still in high school or at a small college and every person you go out on a date with is somebody in one of your classes, then most of the time your dates aren't even friends yet. I don't think the poster actually has a clue what dating is and what a relationship is. Dates aren't relationships. One date only isn't a relationship. Two dates isn't a relationship. Sleeping with somebody after one or two dates is more akin to one night stands. Your posts are becoming more annoying and more kid like every time you write.
dreamergrl Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Yeah, either a kid with too much time on their hands, or some deranged and dramatic weirdo waiting for divine intervention to tell him what to do with himself.
Author chris250 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Posted January 28, 2009 Yeah, either a kid with too much time on their hands, or some deranged and dramatic weirdo waiting for divine intervention to tell him what to do with himself. Oh thanks alot for mocking my religious beliefs. My religious beliefs are an important part of my life. It's a major part of who I am. I would never mock your beliefs just because you think it's up to you to make things happen. I don't believe it's up to me to make things happen. I'm not in control of my destiny. I am just as entitled to hold a fatalistic outlook on my life. Just because I would not be a compatible dating partner with you doesn't mean I'm not compatible with someone else. It doesn't make either one of us right or wrong. But so far none of your advice has even indicated that my needs and wants in a relationship are just as important as the woman's wants. I don't take seriously advice from someone who has shown that they do not have my best interests at heart. Your advice is a big joke!
dreamergrl Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I think you're relying on your religion to do what you very well should be doing yourself. It's an easy scapegoat. I don't mock religion, I have my own beliefs, but I don't depend on it for making life choices. I don't use it to avoid rejection. I don't use it to justify something that is wrong. I take responsibility for myself, who I am, what I choose to do, and how I do it. The needs of one's want are always just as important as as their SO's needs and wants, but that only happens when you're willing to commit yourself, instead of this one date nonsense. You talk about how you don't want to be friendzoned, yet, you'll never know if that's the case because with out moving past one date, you aren't even a friend. Just a passing person. You aren't going into this wanting more. Or at least willing to risk to get more. You make no sense, you are constantly contradicting yourself. In your other post you claim to want your freedom, but here you say your religion grants you no free will. You've come to seek advice, and it was given to you, not just by me, but by others, and you refuse to take it into consideration. You stand by your game plan, and take offense because no one agrees with you. What do you expect for a response?
Island Girl Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I would like to add to the consensus that this thread has become a train wreck. And it just keeps going with contradiction after contradiction by the OP and spin after spin. *sigh* I have found this with other threads by the OP. So I for the first time in many years have put someone on my ignore list. I just can't hit my head against the brick wall anymore. OP - I do wish you well. I wish you a mind open to possibility instead of focused on negative outcomes. I hope you find someone in RL that you can bounce these ideas off of. And I hope you are more accepting of their suggestions than you are to any of the posters here. Don't bother replying, I can't see what you write anymore. Good luck with all of your endeavors.
Author chris250 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Posted January 28, 2009 I think you're relying on your religion to do what you very well should be doing yourself. It's an easy scapegoat. I don't mock religion, I have my own beliefs, but I don't depend on it for making life choices. I don't use it to avoid rejection. I don't use it to justify something that is wrong. I take responsibility for myself, who I am, what I choose to do, and how I do it. The needs of one's want are always just as important as as their SO's needs and wants, but that only happens when you're willing to commit yourself, instead of this one date nonsense. You talk about how you don't want to be friendzoned, yet, you'll never know if that's the case because with out moving past one date, you aren't even a friend. Just a passing person. You aren't going into this wanting more. Or at least willing to risk to get more. You make no sense, you are constantly contradicting yourself. In your other post you claim to want your freedom, but here you say your religion grants you no free will. You've come to seek advice, and it was given to you, not just by me, but by others, and you refuse to take it into consideration. You stand by your game plan, and take offense because no one agrees with you. What do you expect for a response? Then what's the point of you having those religious beliefs if they do not effect your life in anyway. It's useless and dead religion. Your religion obviously doesn't mean that much to you if you won't let it guide your life decisions. You might as well give it up because you don't take it seriously. My religion is important to me and I'm not going to put it on the shelf when it comes to making life decisions. It's not like I'm using my religion to do anything illegal. Until that happens I have every right to make life decisions based on those beliefs. I'm no threat to society. I have no desire to let my religious philosophies govern the world. I have no desire to get it into public schools. I'm not a believer in mixing church & state together. So far all I've gotten out of you is judging and condemning me just because I have no desire to be like you. You believe in taking charge of your life? fine. I'm not you. I don't want to be you. My religion is all I have to bring me comfort. My religion tells me that I will finally find happiness after I die if I don't find it in this life.
Author chris250 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Posted January 28, 2009 I would like to add to the consensus that this thread has become a train wreck. And it just keeps going with contradiction after contradiction by the OP and spin after spin. *sigh* I have found this with other threads by the OP. So I for the first time in many years have put someone on my ignore list. I just can't hit my head against the brick wall anymore. OP - I do wish you well. I wish you a mind open to possibility instead of focused on negative outcomes. I hope you find someone in RL that you can bounce these ideas off of. And I hope you are more accepting of their suggestions than you are to any of the posters here. Don't bother replying, I can't see what you write anymore. Good luck with all of your endeavors. Ok so put me on ignore. Big hairy deal! You were never forced to read my threads in the first place so you have only yourself to blame. You want to talk about responsibility. You made the choice to open up my threads. Yes there is freedom in knowing that I have no free will. That means I'm free to do whatever I want without worrying that I'm somehow messing up God's plans for my life. God is always on plan A. He doesn't have a plan B. There's freedom in knowing that He's going to have His way with me whether I cooperate or resist His will. If He has to break my rebellious will to have His way then He's going to do it. But ultimately I have no say in how things will play out. If the Lord wants me to be married before age 70 then He will have to crack my hard heart to make it happen.
dreamergrl Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Then what's the point of you having those religious beliefs if they do not effect your life in anyway. It's useless and dead religion. Your religion obviously doesn't mean that much to you if you won't let it guide your life decisions. You might as well give it up because you don't take it seriously. My religion is important to me and I'm not going to put it on the shelf when it comes to making life decisions. It's not like I'm using my religion to do anything illegal. Until that happens I have every right to make life decisions based on those beliefs. I'm no threat to society. I have no desire to let my religious philosophies govern the world. I have no desire to get it into public schools. I'm not a believer in mixing church & state together. So far all I've gotten out of you is judging and condemning me just because I have no desire to be like you. You believe in taking charge of your life? fine. I'm not you. I don't want to be you. My religion is all I have to bring me comfort. My religion tells me that I will finally find happiness after I die if I don't find it in this life. Part of being an adult, having adult relationships, is taking care of yourself, growing up, and facing what life is. You don't want to do this, you want to rely on God to make it all happen for you. You are not a child, although you think like one. You wont ever find happiness in this life (at least as far as relationships go) because you refuse to get passed one date. How do you know God is not sending you someone, and you just bypass it because you think that it's God's will that you take this path? My beliefs are important to me, and so are my morals. I don't think you have much for morals, because your using women for your own selfish reasons. You're using women because you fear rejection. Oh and in regards to you other "friends with benefits, minus the sex" thread... You can still end up with rejection. It sounds nice, but many women don't go for that sort of thing. Most women are looking for more then that. Friends with benefits is two people using each other to fill a void because they are unwilling to accept the reality that comes with relationship. It's a temporary fix - but it solves nothing. In the end, you still are truly alone, and it is how you will remain until you step up and be an adult.
Author chris250 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Posted January 28, 2009 Part of being an adult, having adult relationships, is taking care of yourself, growing up, and facing what life is. You don't want to do this, you want to rely on God to make it all happen for you. You are not a child, although you think like one. You wont ever find happiness in this life (at least as far as relationships go) because you refuse to get passed one date. How do you know God is not sending you someone, and you just bypass it because you think that it's God's will that you take this path? My beliefs are important to me, and so are my morals. I don't think you have much for morals, because your using women for your own selfish reasons. You're using women because you fear rejection. Oh and in regards to you other "friends with benefits, minus the sex" thread... You can still end up with rejection. It sounds nice, but many women don't go for that sort of thing. Most women are looking for more then that. Friends with benefits is two people using each other to fill a void because they are unwilling to accept the reality that comes with relationship. It's a temporary fix - but it solves nothing. In the end, you still are truly alone, and it is how you will remain until you step up and be an adult. I may end up being rejected but it won't hurt as much because at least with FWB I can draw a line and decide how much emotional attachment I will allow myself to get sucked into. I honestly don't care whether or not you think what I'm doing is moral because not everyone follows the same moral code. Feel free to apply your standards of morality to yourself but don't apply them to me. I don't have to answer to you on judgment day. I have my personal standards of morality but I would not dream of trying to apply my morality to society. If it was God's will for me to get past one date He would use whatever means necessary to make that happen. I don't underestimate the power of God. So yes I rely on God to take care of my dating department. I want Him to get all the credit for all the good things that happen in my life. It's not for you to decide how an adult should live their life. I wasn't put on this planet to live by your standards as to how an adult should be. I only have to answer to God and to the laws of the land and my supervisors at work. How I choose to conduct my dating life has got nothing to do with how productive I am in the workplace and as a law abiding citizen. Those are more important aspects IMO of what makes an adult. I never got a woman pregnant. If anything I'm being more careful now than ever before to make sure that never happens. If I was really immature then I would have had unprotected sex and gotten a girl pregnant by now. So even though I may not be happy because I refuse to go out on a 2nd date I know that at least I won't have to worry about getting any girls pregnant. Any mistake is better than getting a girl pregnant. But hey it's been by the grace of God that He's given me enough self control to turn women down who offer me sex so that I won't have a kid on my hands. I take no credit for any of my good qualities or bad qualities.
Geishawhelk Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Oh thanks alot for mocking my religious beliefs. My religious beliefs are an important part of my life. It's a major part of who I am. I would never mock your beliefs just because you think it's up to you to make things happen. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion. You might decide to call it that, but you're misguided and completely incorrect. This might be your interpretation, but that's not to say in any way that your perception is either right or well-thought out. I don't believe it's up to me to make things happen. I'm not in control of my destiny. I am just as entitled to hold a fatalistic outlook on my life. So this is YOU talking, not religion. You're clouding the issue.... Just because I would not be a compatible dating partner with you doesn't mean I'm not compatible with someone else. It doesn't make either one of us right or wrong. You're never going to find out on just ONE date!
dreamergrl Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I may end up being rejected but it won't hurt as much because at least with FWB I can draw a line and decide how much emotional attachment I will allow myself to get sucked into. This is not always true. It is easy to start forming emotions and feelings for someone, even though it is suppose to purely be a non commitment relationship. I honestly don't care whether or not you think what I'm doing is moral because not everyone follows the same moral code. Feel free to apply your standards of morality to yourself but don't apply them to me. I don't have to answer to you on judgment day. I have my personal standards of morality but I would not dream of trying to apply my morality to society. You should be worried about answering to all these poor girls that will be calling and asking what's up. You may end up with a stalker, who knows. That could be far worse to deal with then judgement day If it was God's will for me to get past one date He would use whatever means necessary to make that happen. I don't underestimate the power of God. So yes I rely on God to take care of my dating department. I want Him to get all the credit for all the good things that happen in my life. So what, is God going to speak to you just because you need an answer about dating? "Dear God, please tell me, should I go out on date 2? I'm not adult enough to make a decision on my own. Please send me a sign, like a tornado or earthquake if you think I should go out with her again." It's not for you to decide how an adult should live their life. I wasn't put on this planet to live by your standards as to how an adult should be. I only have to answer to God and to the laws of the land and my supervisors at work. Making adult choices, dealing with life, handling rejection are all just easy examples of what being an adult is - FOR EVERYONE. How I choose to conduct my dating life has got nothing to do with how productive I am in the workplace and as a law abiding citizen. Those are more important aspects IMO of what makes an adult. More important then dealing with life in a mature way? Relationships are a part of life. Life doles out good and bad. You choose how to handle the good and bad. You're not a puppet. I never got a woman pregnant. If anything I'm being more careful now than ever before to make sure that never happens. If I was really immature then I would have had unprotected sex and gotten a girl pregnant by now. You could have protected sex and still get her knocked up. And that doesn't show immaturity. Mistakes happen. It's how you deal with mistakes that draws the line between adult, and grown person who acts like there a kid still. So even though I may not be happy because I refuse to go out on a 2nd date I know that at least I won't have to worry about getting any girls pregnant. Any mistake is better than getting a girl pregnant. Yeah, I shudder at the thought of you reproducing too. But hey it's been by the grace of God that He's given me enough self control to turn women down who offer me sex so that I won't have a kid on my hands. I take no credit for any of my good qualities or bad qualities. And to this, all I got is.... :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Author chris250 Posted January 29, 2009 Author Posted January 29, 2009 This is not always true. It is easy to start forming emotions and feelings for someone, even though it is suppose to purely be a non commitment relationship. You should be worried about answering to all these poor girls that will be calling and asking what's up. You may end up with a stalker, who knows. That could be far worse to deal with then judgement day So what, is God going to speak to you just because you need an answer about dating? "Dear God, please tell me, should I go out on date 2? I'm not adult enough to make a decision on my own. Please send me a sign, like a tornado or earthquake if you think I should go out with her again." Making adult choices, dealing with life, handling rejection are all just easy examples of what being an adult is - FOR EVERYONE. More important then dealing with life in a mature way? Relationships are a part of life. Life doles out good and bad. You choose how to handle the good and bad. You're not a puppet. You could have protected sex and still get her knocked up. And that doesn't show immaturity. Mistakes happen. It's how you deal with mistakes that draws the line between adult, and grown person who acts like there a kid still. Yeah, I shudder at the thought of you reproducing too. And to this, all I got is.... :rolleyes::rolleyes: Well you don't pay my bills and your name is not God so I don't hold anything you say in high regard as far as what you think an adult should be like. My idea of adult life means not being like you. And with the sex thing there is no chance I"m going to get a woman pregnant because I'm practicing abstinence. I do not believe in mistakes when it comes to getting a girl pregnant. If a person did not plan on having kids then they had no business getting their genitals near each other. That's not a mistake. I say once again that I have no say in how my life is going to turn out. Whatever happens will happen.
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