BubblyPopcorn Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 it is obvious beyond any shadow of a doubt that a 30 year old woman is a billion times more materialistic/greedy/money-hungry than a 20 year old girl. The young girl is still full of idealistic ideas about love and whatnot, but the 30 year old woman is a experienced, old battle-axe that knows what it means to NOT have money in this world. Let me put it in terms that you young guys can understand: there's a reason the military is always trying to recruit young men 18, 19 -- because "old" 30 year old guys like me can easily see that the risks of the military are obviously not worth it. The same for young women. 20 year old girls don't know the risks of being poor. 30 year old women know it full well. 30 year old women are also finally aware of how precious youth is, now that they are beginning to lose it. I'd say it's best to avoid women as they reach past 25 -- that's when they start to develop that knowing, experienced look that is a repellent to guys on the other side of 30. To the 20 year old OP, Brady_to_Moss, find a nice 17 year old girl, and spend some money on her, and both of you will have a very good time. Enjoy each other's innocence. haha that was the silliest post thus far. Where do these women live, in Idaho?
boxing123 Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Rich guy exactly.. As an example, it is a scientific fact that men's brains do not fully understand risk until about 25 yrs old. I have a few guys around 20 that work for me, and they sound like Brady. They complain how women are materialistic, etc. They would like an older woman. (99% of the time they think it is easier sex, which it is) But I see how these guys act, and remember how I was at 20. Getting in trouble, doing the dumbest things, fighting, not knowing how the world works at all, etc. And they all have young cute girlfriends calling them all day, telling them they love them, sometimes the girls are crying on the phone because he didn't call last night, etc. Young, innocent love. Enjoy that while you can. The guys at this age end up in jail some nights, are broke, use their parents money, sometimes live at home, never have much money for dates, and these young girls love them for them. Enjoy that young girl while you can, because they are nothing like a 30 yr old woman.
RichGuy Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Boxing, wow, you have a very poor opinion of women. I am sorry to hear that. ... That a man like yourself would purposely seek out an inexperienced, uneducated woman baffles me. Alma Mobley, you accuse Boxing123 of having a very poor opinion of women, but then you yourself obviously have a very poor opinion of inexperienced, uneducated women... Why are they any less worthy than educated women? You are just being a hypocrite. Did you know that even today, the most educated men in the country (I'm talking Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.) marry ALL the way down the line (meaning waitresses, models, single moms) that have only a high school diploma, if that? Did you know that Laura Bush never went to college? Men compete with each other in terms of status, but for women, the rules of the game are different.
RichGuy Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 The guys at this age end up in jail some nights, are broke, use their parents money, sometimes live at home, never have much money for dates, and these young girls love them for them. Enjoy that young girl while you can, because they are nothing like a 30 yr old woman. Brady_to_Moss, Alma_Mobley, Kashmir, listen to Boxing123, because he is giving you very, very good life advice... I won't say that it's impossible to buy a young girls' true love, but it is very, very hard to find, and when you do, you will find that the competition is already there and they are very, very well-funded. What I'm trying to say is this: you can't buy the type of devotion only a young girl can give you. It is not for sale, it is a true gift of love. But once she gives it away, it's gone for good... until the day she bears children. But then that renewed love and devotion is reserved for her babies, not for you. (Stay clear of single moms!)
fral945 Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Brady_to_Moss, I would look harder in your age group, maybe look a year or 2 older than yourself. Try finding a new circle of friends or go new places. Girls your age are far less jaded than the 25-30 something women who has more dating experience. They may be more materialistic in general, but there are mature girls your age out there. It is also unlikely an older woman will be interested in you for a serious relationship. Maybe for a fling, but not much else. Likely if they are looking for a serious relationship they will be looking for someone older. Rarely do women look for much younger men when looking for long-term partners. So even if you did find one you'd probably constantly have to prove yourself. Also remember that a woman's expectations of what a man's income should be increase drastically between 20 and 30. At your age, you don't yet need a six figure salary, a house, and a nice car to date. Of course, I'm exaggerating somewhat but generally it is true that they will expect you to be able to provide more for them (i.e., "have money").
Green Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Seriously if you're having problems with women your own age then date the women as young as legaly possible... hopefuly you live in an area where 16 is legal. younger girls give you less problems, also are you even asking women out? make sure your being confident and aproaching women... can't expect them to aproach you
boxing123 Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Put it this way..If you are 20 now, you have a good 25 years left to date 28 yr olds. When you are 40, with money, career, home, you can land any 28 yr old you want. You have a much more smaller window to date 16-19 yr olds. Don't squander that time.
kashmir Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 I'm 19 and here are my observations about many girls of my age. They're not materialistic in one sense, but very materialistic in another. One one hand, they don't expect guys to have a lot of money since many of them are in college. A fancy car can help woo them but not many guys have BMW's at 19, so obviously you don't NEED an expensive car, let alone a car altogether. I haven't met one girl who has tried to find out how much money I have or judge me on it. So while they don't care about how much money a 20 year old has, they're very materialistic themselves. Getting done up, going shopping, putting down hundreds of dollars on clothes and electronics, sporting designer brands...etc. Seems dumb to me, but if that's what they want to spend their money on, so be it. BTW, a lot of guys do the same stuff. Those guys who are always walking around in the a&f spend something like $70 for a new shirt and hundreds of dollars for every pair of designer jeans. Combine that with their tanning and waxing appointments and they're just as image-conscious and materialistic as the girls. Secondly, you have to BE a tool or at least FAKE being a tool to get the sterotypical college hottie. I swear, intelligence or originality turns them off, as well as anything that can even be loosely associated with the stereotypical nerd. This past summer I tried to fake just to see what happened. I realized what a horrible actor I was, lol. But seriously, make drinking games your favorite thing to do, call your friends bros, wear clothes from a&f or hollister 2 sizes too small (yes, appearance DOES matter to girls of this age), and just think you're the ****. Oh, and as I said, refrain from saying anything too intelligent. Reading isn't cool. Now, if you don't do these things, you'll realize how flippin' hard this is to pull off. And believe it or not, a lot more girls than you think are attracted to this, including ones that are good girls who study hard and drink minimally. That's why I saw find the handful of ones that can see past those duds and see something in you. That handful will increase more and more as time passes.
RichGuy Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 So while they don't care about how much money a 20 year old has, they're very materialistic themselves. Getting done up, going shopping, putting down hundreds of dollars on clothes and electronics, sporting designer brands...etc. Seems dumb to me, but if that's what they want to spend their money on, so be it. Kashmir, we are not disputing that. Nobody is saying that young women are not materialistic. We are saying that older women are MUCH MORE materialistic than young women. Imagine for a moment that every girl has a meter that reads from 0 to 100, with 100 being the most materialistic possible. A girl, at age 20, will have her meter around 20 or so. The same person, at age 30, will have her meter around 85. So, if you are shocked because a low-metered girl around 20 puts down "hundreds of dollars on clothes and electronics, sporting designer brands... etc", then I want to see the expression on your face when you find out the amount of money high-metered women cost... (look up the cost of liposuction -- young women don't even need that! Older women require a WHOLE lot more upkeep.) I think you're just a cheap bastard.
boxing123 Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Kashmir, I agree.. And I hear the same complaints from the 20 yr old guys I know.. They might go to frat parties, and they notice the cutest girls are SOLELY with the rich kids wearing Hollister, and driving a nice car their parents purchased for them. However, that is a small fragment of women that age. You probably won't land a hot sorority girl unless you are a rich fraternity boy. And many girls do go to college looking to land a husband that comes from money. I think that is why people suggest you date younger women. Or find women at college that are not into that nearly as much. You are surrounded by thousands of young single women. You will never be surrounded by them again once you are older. At least now you have a chance. Older women 25-28 are not looking to date a sophomore in college. And as rich guy said, the "materialistic" meter will go through the roof as you get older.
boxing123 Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 It is a progression you will notice.. As an example, in high school, money is irrelevant altogether. Once in college, you notice the guys from richer families do well with the more attractive women. So you start to notice women like money. Keep in mind, at this point, the avg girl has no real NEED for money, other than to buy nice things. Dad might have paid for college, she took out loans, has credit cards, etc. But you notice they like it anyway. Now fast forward to when a woman is 25-28.. She will have an apartment/mortgage. A car payment. Credit cards. School loan debt(often times enormous) She now NEEDS money. She might think of having kids. That would be an ENORMOUS expense, in which she NEEDS to find a man that can afford that, afford her lifestyle, her bills, her loans, and to house her in a home she feels she is "entitled to". She also might decide working is not for her, and she wants to be with a man that gives her the ability to make that CHOICE in the future.. She will not want the small old plain home. She wants the 500k new home. She will not want to drive a used minivan, she wants the new Sequoia. You will notice women chasing after the biggest tools ever, if they have a good career. They will justify this by saying how intelligent they are, or how charming, or how funny, or how unique, etc. Largely BS. It all comes down to money, lifestyle, security.
BubblyPopcorn Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 I tend to agree with Boxing on girls in their 20’s and the whole young innocent love thing. But, I don’t know if that is generally the case with today’s generation. It is a very different time now versus way back when. I was in two back-to-back relationships for the majority of my twenties with a year in between, I had that innocent love experience, but I also worked full time and generated my own income the entire time and so did they. The first one was around the same age as myself and the second one was a few years older. The girls I know now between the ages of 25-28 who are dating, some of them date men either the same age or a few years older but I rarely see them dating much younger. Some because of the maturity factor but also the money factor. My one friend in that age bracket only dated men 40+ for those two reasons and she also seems to gravitate towards the “father” type figure. Her step-father is 14 years older than the mother but it’s their second marriage. My sister’s husband is a few years younger than she and they met when he was around 27, both had their own careers at that point. It really all depends on the individual(s) and where they are at points in their life.
Trialbyfire Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 I agree that you should wait until you're 21, before targeting an older crowd. While I'm uncertain if you'll actually find anyone within the category referenced, to date a 20 year-old guy, you can only try! Good luck!
kashmir Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Boxing and RichGuy, I think you're refering to one kind of woman - the kind of woman that doesn't grow up. The kind of woman that wants to remain a sorority girl forever. The ones that are on this never-ending quest to achieve the perfect image of beauty, no matter how fake that image is. If that's the case, then yes, the older they get the more high maintenance they are, but by god not all women are like that. If your thing is feeding into these women's desires and hooking them with money, then good for you. Personally, I'm not looking for this kind of woman of any age. At my age there are many girls that want the guy who's wearing preppy clothing, drinks almost daily with his frat bros, and maybe even drives a beamer. The ones that don't grow out of this fall into the group I described above. The ones that do realize that there's more to men than the clothes they wear or the car they drive, and they become more mature and more intelligent as they grow. And then there are the girls that don't even give a crap about that stuff now in college. There aren't many of them, but there are enough to find one. And thanks again, richguy, for the unnecessary insults. I'm not worried. I'll be financially secure after college, and all the girls that originally went for the already-rich frat boys will be coming to me. Some might have changed while others will have not. This is why I disagree with the idea that dating is easiest in college. It's easiest when you're a frat boy, but when you're one of those you tend to lost a lot of qualities that will make you more desirable a few years down the road.
kashmir Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 And RichGuy, you know who I think you are? I think you're the guy who has always had the young sorority types attracted to your money. Why? You constantly call older women bitter and jaded...and by older women I mean ones as young as 25. Do you think instead of being bitter and jaded, they just aren't into you? Maybe because they've grown out of the phase of liking guys like you who seem to have nothing to them but money? It always seems like you're trying to BUY young girls. You say it's because they're innocent and uncorrupted like older women are, but could it be that they're just naive and don't see you in the way older women see you. Maybe they're the only ones you can get...
boxing123 Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Kashmir, you sound like all the 20 yr olds I know.. All we are telling you is 25-28 yr old women do not want to date 20 yr old guys. Even the women are telling you this. If you think 28 yr old women will care "less' about money than they do now, you are mistaken. We were all young and naive..The 20 year olds at work tell me "I would never date a woman that wants money"LOL.. I just listen, agree, etc.. It is quite humorous, as they complain about paying for a dinner. They think it will not get worse. And yes, they all think they will be rich too when they get older.. Women's needs and views shift as they go from 18-30. That is all rich guy is saying.
kashmir Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Boxing, what you don't realize is I'm NOT complaining like those guys you work with. I'm just stating observations. I'm completely fine with many of those girls wanting materialistic things, because I really don't care for them at all or have any desire to be with them. I might like to lay a couple of the hot ones, but it really doesn't bother me. And I don't expect an older woman to want to date me. I also don't mind paying for dinner and dates. As a student trying to pay for his education, I don't have much cash to spare now, but I'm confident that in a few years I will, and I'd be glad to treat some pretty women to dinner and more. I like that feeling. There's a difference between using a bit of money to show a lady a good time and flaunting it to try to impress them, though. I'll have no interest in the ones that expect me to flaunt it, and I know every woman doesn't expect that.
boxing123 Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Sorry, I confused you with Brady's complaining.. Kashmir, it is about being able to give a woman security. If you are 35, with a small apartment, used old car, and the best guy in the world, you will be instantly disqualified as dating material by the vast majority of single women, and almost all of the ones you find attractive. At your age now you have the unique ability to date women before they focus on that.You having little or nothing means not so much. A woman will look past you having little money, as they are not all worried about security just yet. Having a nice car, home, and clothes is a sign to women that you have your act together, and they like that. That's what they want when you get older. A few bucks for dinners will not get you that far without the above.. The paying for dinner will just be expected, then you will be answering questions on what you have, and earn..
RichGuy Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Boxing and RichGuy, I think you're refering to one kind of woman - the kind of woman that doesn't grow up. The kind of woman that wants to remain a sorority girl forever. The ones that are on this never-ending quest to achieve the perfect image of beauty, no matter how fake that image is. Excuse me, Kashmir, but aren't you the author of the thread "Is it wrong to hold out for a looker?". Of course we are talking about hot women here, not BBWs. Who would waste breath talking about ugly women. And you know you want a hot girl, and there is no shame in admitting your wants as a man. Hotties are very expensive. And by hot I mean hot enough to earn a living as a model/stripper/dancer/singer/pharmaceutical sales rep. (Notice that I didn't include escort, since every woman can just put out for money. Only the very hottest women can earn a living by looks alone WITHOUT putting out). If you want an average, or even below average BBW, then don't worry about money and status. But as I recall, even you were repulsed by the "big girls" approaching you. Even you would rather be single than bed a whale. Again, I know how you feel, because personally I'd immediately go limp if one of those warthogs came near me. And thanks again, richguy, for the unnecessary insults. Buddy, you know I do it only because I care, right?
Trialbyfire Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Kashmir, a positive and confident attitude will draw women like flies. A jaded, bitter and cynical attitude will push them away. This is human nature. I like your new attitude. It speaks well for you! Brady, in reference to my comment about women within the age category not necessarily willing to date 20 year old men, there are many reasons why women don't date men who are younger. Much of it has to do with maturity level by blanket generalization. I'm guilty of this too. The men I usually date are approx. 5 or more years older. My current guy is only 2 years older and I've found him to be far more mature than most men in the category I usually date. So, if you're mature enough, you'll impress whatever category you target. If you're not, you're not going to get much luck.
kashmir Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Yes, I made that thread, and while I wouldn't be repulsed if an overweight girl hit on me, I wouldn't want to pursue her merely for her looks. Thing is, I was totally wrong about the particular girl I mentioned. I judged her looks too quickly based on some old pictures. She's beautiful and not fat by any means. She's not slender, nor is she fat, just curvy, and I love that. Not all hot women are like the ones I described - the ones that don't grow up. Some are, but others aren't. I'm not sure what you're getting at, richguy. There's a difference between being beautiful and going on a never-ending quest to enhance your beauty with surgery, tons of make-up, etc.
RichGuy Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 and by older women I mean ones as young as 25. Did you think I just pulled that number out of nowhere? Try to find a professional catwalk model still working at 25. The only exception is if she's hit it big, then MAYBE she can stretch it until 29 or 30, but that's pretty much it. Ask other women. They will tell you the same thing: women hit their beauty peak between 18-25. They're old news after that. Roast beef compared to prime rib. It always seems like you're trying to BUY young girls. Everybody is for sale, not just young girls. Heck, would you come wash my car for an hour if I offered you $1000 plus all travel expenses (airfaire, hotel, car rental, meals)? I think so. You say it's because they're innocent and uncorrupted like older women are, but could it be that they're just naive and don't see you in the way older women see you. Maybe they're the only ones you can get... Kashmir, if I wanted roast beef, I'd just order the roast beef. I even do it once in a blue moon. But I'm definitely a prime rib type of guy, though. There is a reason why roast beef is much cheaper...
RichGuy Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 Kashmir, a positive and confident attitude will draw women like flies. Agreed, confidence is an attractive force. A jaded, bitter and cynical attitude will push them away.Agreed, cynicism is a repulsive force. However, you forgot the most important factor: money. Money is such a potent attractive force to women, like a magnet lifting a car off the junkyard grounds, that it pretty much makes all the other forces mentioned above irrelevant.
anne1707 Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 However, you forgot the most important factor: money. Money is such a potent attractive force to women, like a magnet lifting a car off the junkyard grounds, that it pretty much makes all the other forces mentioned above irrelevant. Money has NEVER been an issue with me. I have gone out with men who earned more than me and men who earned less (my H earns less than me). And I just don't care. To me, the issue is whether we have that connection and the ability to support each other through whatever life throws at us, whether we can make each other laugh or surprise each other after 15 years together. Can we excite each other (and I don't mean just sex), can I watch "Snakes on a Plane" () (it's on TV now) for him and can he watch "Sound of Music" () for me? There is so much more than money to a life together.
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