boxing123 Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 First of all, for many dating is a waste of time. What is the point to meet others if you are not ready for commitment, or if you have fairy tale expectations of what you deserve? Secondly, there are many threads on "Whom pays", etc. Since the beginning of time, and still today men have built EVERYTHING. Every brick laid, tunnel dug, road built, energy source taken from the Earth, etc. Nearly every single invention is due to the male. Males are doers, and creators. What were women doing? Trying to find one of those men to take care of them, look pretty, and have babies. Even today, there are a hundreds of popular magazines women buy that talk all about how to look pretty, new hairdos, make up, wedding dresses, how to be better in bed, etc. Since girls are 5, they talk about marriage. What does the above illustrate? Women are much different then men. No matter how much they try to act like "equals", they want to be taken care of, and landing a man is of the utmost importance. Hair, make up, nails, push up bras, bikini waxes, clothing, heels, etc. Look good to land a man is what their time is largely focused on, consciously, or subconsciously. That is why women are so turned off if a man does not want to pay. Their entire fantasy life is built around men taking care of them. Paying is symbolic of that.
dreamergrl Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 First of all, for many dating is a waste of time. What is the point to meet others if you are not ready for commitment, or if you have fairy tale expectations of what you deserve? Dating is to find out if you are compatible. Secondly, there are many threads on "Whom pays", etc. Since the beginning of time, and still today men have built EVERYTHING. Every brick laid, tunnel dug, road built, energy source taken from the Earth, etc. Nearly every single invention is due to the male. Males are doers, and creators. What were women doing? Trying to find one of those men to take care of them, look pretty, and have babies. This sounds like bitterness. Women do a lot besides give life, which by the you're bitter @ss would not be here without a woman. Women are doctors, they save lives, that's not being a doer? Besides that, women do a lot that men do as well these days. What about the single mothers? They aren't doers? Not that there aren't single fathers, but it's more common for a man to leave his family then vice versa. Even today, there are a hundreds of popular magazines women buy that talk all about how to look pretty, new hairdos, make up, wedding dresses, how to be better in bed, etc. Since girls are 5, they talk about marriage. Big deal, there are millions of trashy magazines showing naked or nearly naked women (and calendars too!) I work at a school, and if I had a dollar for every time I heard "I'd like to do her" I wouldn't need to work. That is why women are so turned off if a man does not want to pay. Their entire fantasy life is built around men taking care of them. Paying is symbolic of that. Stereotyping, need I say more?
39388 Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Dating seems to be an overly complex game that goes way way over my head. I have had absolutely zero success in getting a date and I'm almost 35 and male. I have to disagree with what the OP says about women. They do far, far more than what he says. In fact, they do just as much as men.
ruggy Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Seems more of a chess game to me. Making the next calculating move. Very stressful on my end. Not trying to overstep my bounds. They make it seem so easy in the movies. Women do many things important things, Probably the most important thing is giving birth. You would not be here Einstein without a WOMAN. What about the medical sciences, nurses, teachers.. You are really one sided man.
SoulSearch_CO Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Gee, you sound like a keeper. I found your post judgmental and biased. I'm going to go with male-chauvinistic misogynist. You sound straight out of the 50's. The reason there is such a majority of things created by men is because for such a long time, it was looked upon poorly for a woman to get out of the house and DO things. But that's because we live in a patriarchy. Men are physically stronger. And no matter whatever happens, they always will be - testosterone makes muscle growth much easier for men. So from prehistoric times, women were easier to control. So of course, men took the lead. As it started to be frowned upon to physically control somebody (feminism, the end of slavery, etc), women were able to start stepping up and working on the equality thing. But until men are able to start popping out kids, men and women will NEVER be the same creature. I don't expect to have my bills paid for by a man. I did that for about a year total while I was married because my X was in the military and we moved around every couple of months, making keeping a job difficult. But given the choice, I'd rather be working. But I will say this - it's nice to be TREATED by a man on dates. It's like being given a gift. I don't see what's so wrong with that. But then, I don't have a problem treating in return.
Author boxing123 Posted January 11, 2009 Author Posted January 11, 2009 Yes, people date to see whom they are "compatible" with. To be honest, we are all humans with similar needs. Finding "compatibility" is actually easy. The hard part is bringing 2 people together whom actually want a relationship, and are ready to settle down, that have realistic expectations. You really think women were "oppressed"? The fact is women could not do, nor did they want to do most of the jobs men were doing. Factories with horrible conditions, steel mills, coal mining, building roads, bridges, buildings,going off to die in war for you and the children, etc. It is only recently that men have created an easy enough system for you to work. Put on make up, do your nails, flirt with the boss, sort some papers, make calls, teach, sell things etc. Men protected you from the horrible days of work, and you call that "being oppressed'.
Geishawhelk Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 You really think women were "oppressed"? The fact is women could not do, nor did they want to do most of the jobs men were doing. Factories with horrible conditions, steel mills, coal mining, building roads, bridges, buildings,going off to die in war for you and the children, etc. erm excuse me, but who do you think kept the country going whilst every eligible man was off fighting these wars (which is for idiopts anyway)? Women kept factories goiing and made the munitions their men were using to kill each other with. They ran foundries, mines, mills and built roads, grew crops and ran farms. I think you need to do a bit of rsearch begore ou start blabbing off and spouting rubbish. Really, I do. It is only recently that men have created an easy enough system for you to work. Put on make up, do your nails, flirt with the boss, sort some papers, make calls, teach, sell things etc. Men protected you from the horrible days of work, and you call that "being oppressed'. THis above information is basically categorised as BS. You're laughable.
anne1707 Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 What does the above illustrate? Women are much different then men. No matter how much they try to act like "equals", they want to be taken care of, and landing a man is of the utmost importance. Hair, make up, nails, push up bras, bikini waxes, clothing, heels, etc. Look good to land a man is what their time is largely focused on, consciously, or subconsciously. That is why women are so turned off if a man does not want to pay. Their entire fantasy life is built around men taking care of them. Paying is symbolic of that. I guess you're not dating. I wonder why......
Author boxing123 Posted January 11, 2009 Author Posted January 11, 2009 Dating is actually MUCH easier when you understand the game. When men are very young and naive they feel "Oh this woman wants to be my equal, and share, and just want a nice, funny,caring guy" Women want a man. A man that can take care of them, and lead them. Watch actions, and not words. Even suggesting a woman pay for her share of food is a major insult to a woman on an early date. Why? That illustrates you might not want to take care of them in the future. So treat women well when with them, be generous, and you get all the action you want. Treat them as complete equals, and you will find yourself dateless quickly.
wuggle Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Finding "compatibility" is actually easy. The hard part is bringing 2 people together whom actually want a relationship, and are ready to settle down, that have realistic expectations. I disagree, in fact almost exactly the opposite. You really think women were "oppressed"? The fact is women could not do, nor did they want to do most of the jobs men were doing. Factories with horrible conditions, steel mills, coal mining, building roads, bridges, buildings Erm , Yes. In the west we have been oppresing women for ages, Not so in all countries or points in time though, and as Geisha says who the hell kept the country going during the war, doing all the cr*ppy jobs in the factories. ,going off to die in war for you and the children, etc. I once read that if women were in charge we wouldn't have any wars , just VERY intense negotiations once a month (joke) :rolleyes: It is only recently that men have created an easy enough system for you to work. Put on make up, do your nails, flirt with the boss, sort some papers, make calls, teach, sell things etc. Men protected you from the horrible days of work, and you call that "being oppressed'. Your funny.
39388 Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Plenty of women date men with views as nutty as the OP. I don't get why. I'm not saying most women would, but it reaally suprises me how many do. What do I know as a male who thinks his views are total garabge? It is far far worse to not have any confidence than to have anti-women views. So many people told me I'd never get at date at the ages 13-18 and it destroyed my confidence. I'm trying to get more now, but have not succeeded. How can you be confident if you have never had a date in your mid 30s? Women can see this from a mile away and it is an endless cycle. I'm confident in other things like my finances, but not dating. I don't want to accept dating is a game. I don't want to have to fake everything. But it seems like that I may have to and not be myself if I ever want even one date.
kashmir Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 OP, your post was very biased and not very accurate, though I have to say that I'm a bit surprised by how much that traditional mentality still exists today...on the part of WOMEN. Some women are independent and are merely looking for an EQUAL partner, not someone to support them. A lot of women on this board are going to fall into that group, so you're going to offend them by judging them wrongly. What I'm surprised by is a lot of women still hold the view that you described. I never thought that, but I've heard a number of independent and motivated girls tell me about other girls...and these are girls in college. They told me that a lot of girls are in college to find a man, and potentially a husband. They're not in college to learn or prepare themselves for a career, but instead to meet a guy. That really shocked me. I thought almost all women now were raised to be independent and went to college for the same reason men did, but apparently there's still that 50's idealism going around in young women.
Author boxing123 Posted January 11, 2009 Author Posted January 11, 2009 Kashmir, My wording might be extreme, but I feel gist of it is dead on. The problem is, what women say on message boards, or to others, is conflicting to their actions. They say they want to be independent, be equal etc. Usually they say this when they are mid 30's and are starting to realize rich and handsome prince charming will not rescue them. However, a HUGE amount of time is still spent on how they look, how to land a man, how to be better in bed, what bars have rich bachelors, how to snag a man at the university, how to land the boss or manager, etc. Many girls are very depressed if they finish college and have not met a man to settle down with. Since girls are 5 they are planning marriage. Go to the grocery store. You will see 5 bridal magazines, 5 hair magazines, 5 magazines similar to Cosmo, romance novels, and other assorted magazines that offer beauty tips. This is all to land a man. Men read magazines about hobbies, the outdoors, sports, porn, and cars. The VAST majority of women in this world still are housewives/homemakers. Some are part time workers. This idea of the "independent working woman" is very new, and when you look at the entire world, only a small % of women have this life. They themselves are very conflicted with what kind of life to lead. Over 80% of American full time working women have confessed they would rather take care of the home and be married, or work part time, than continue working. So yes, some enjoy careers, the vast majority are seeking to land a man.
runner Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 i would suggest dating in real life. nutshells can be quite cramp.
Geishawhelk Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Sweetie-pie, you really need to get out more..... But I'd wait until you hit puberty. Have a word with your mummy and ask her what that is......
mr.dream merchant Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Everybody wants somebody to take care of them in a sense though. What's the point of being with someone if they don't support you and you them? A guy may be the financial support for a woman but I bet you all my dough that the woman is that guy's moral and emotional support. It goes hand in hand.
Author boxing123 Posted January 11, 2009 Author Posted January 11, 2009 Yes, I completely agree. Women add to men, and men add to women. However, when women push to be "equal" they are nothing but an inferior version of a man. They are not the inventors, builders, fighters, conquerors, problem solvers. Once they enter those spheres, they are just inferior men. I have met so many women that could not put air in their tires. Could not cut their grass. They do not want to be equal. They want to be a special privileged class. As you can see, the idea of even paying for food they ate it repulsive.
Geishawhelk Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 And there are so many men who can't put the trash out, do the laundry, do the dishes, change a diaper, do the shopping, clean the floors, vacuum the carpet, change the beds, pick up after themselves, put clean clothes away, live without the remote....... Ah, you guys are all so inadequate! it must really suck to rely on us for so much. What did your momma say?
wuggle Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Yes, I completely agree. Women add to men, and men add to women. However, when women push to be "equal" they are nothing but an inferior version of a man. They are not the inventors, builders, fighters, conquerors, problem solvers. Once they enter those spheres, they are just inferior men. I have met so many women that could not put air in their tires. Could not cut their grass. They do not want to be equal. They want to be a special privileged class. As you can see, the idea of even paying for food they ate it repulsive. You're scary !
mr.dream merchant Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Yes, I completely agree. Women add to men, and men add to women. However, when women push to be "equal" they are nothing but an inferior version of a man. They are not the inventors, builders, fighters, conquerors, problem solvers. Once they enter those spheres, they are just inferior men. I have met so many women that could not put air in their tires. Could not cut their grass. They do not want to be equal. They want to be a special privileged class. As you can see, the idea of even paying for food they ate it repulsive. I see where you're going with this. Not so much a push for equality but to be able to have the best of both worlds? To have our cake and eat their's to?
anne1707 Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 As you can see, the idea of even paying for food they ate it repulsive. No its not paying for the food that is repulsive. It is eating with a misogynist like you that makes them retch.
Geishawhelk Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 You're scary ! Nah. he's just stunted. He'll find out one day. Bless.....
Geishawhelk Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 No its not paying for the food that is repulsive. It is eating with a misogynist like you that makes them retch. He's not a mysogynist dear. He's a troll. He's doing it to get your fire glowing.... Flaming troll..... :laugh:
mr.dream merchant Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 While I do agree to a certain extent, I think these ideas should only be portrayed upon those who show these characteristics. While there are females out there like that there are also males. I know plenty of guys who wish to be courted as frequent as females are and wish to have life "easy" like females do but also want to enjoy all the perks of being a male. The argument goes both ways.
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