allina Posted December 8, 2008 Posted December 8, 2008 Well, a lot of people eat meat...humans ARE omnivores, after all. It's in our nature. I would have no problem eating meat if I hunted the animal, gutted it, and did everything to clean and cook it. Maybe if I go live in the wild some day I might get a chance to do that. Preying on animals is part of nature. The reason I don't eat meat is that I think raising masses of animals in captivity only to grow up to be slaughtered is cruel. The whole process of slaughtering is so disturbing to me. That's why I'm fine with seafood, because most of it is caught in the wild and not raised on some farm, and that's why I would be fine with eating animals that were hunted in their wild habitats. I have no problem at all with tribes of people who depend on hunting an animal in the wild for food and clothing. What I find ABSOLUTELY HORRID is the factory farming, animals suffering every moment of their lives and people either being in total denial about it or just not giving a sh*t. We live in a different world today. People in the developed world do not need to kill or hurt animals.
Isolde Posted December 8, 2008 Posted December 8, 2008 Well, a lot of people eat meat...humans ARE omnivores, after all. It's in our nature. I would have no problem eating meat if I hunted the animal, gutted it, and did everything to clean and cook it. Maybe if I go live in the wild some day I might get a chance to do that. Preying on animals is part of nature. The reason I don't eat meat is that I think raising masses of animals in captivity only to grow up to be slaughtered is cruel. The whole process of slaughtering is so disturbing to me. That's why I'm fine with seafood, because most of it is caught in the wild and not raised on some farm, and that's why I would be fine with eating animals that were hunted in their wild habitats. And my guy friends don't tease me. I'm not sure they even realize that I don't eat meat. Irishcarbomb, that's one type of meat I will eat. Hmm I don't think hunting is that much more ethical than raising animals for meat because we're able to survive without meat now, whereas thousands of years ago we weren't. I'm not saying eating meat is bad, I just dont think hunting is actually in our nature anymore, and I don't consider it much more humane than raising animals free range. Just my opinion.
CommitmentPhobe Posted December 8, 2008 Posted December 8, 2008 Kashmir, why don't you eat red meat for a year and report back whether your success with women has improved?
orangehose Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I'm getting at the association between eating meat and masculinity. I'm questioning whether a guy might be viewed as being less masculine simply because he's a vegetarian. Not at all. I know some very masculine male vegetarians. I would say it's far LESS masculine to change your eating habits out of a desire to conform or appear 'manly'. Also, I would be concerned if a guy ate really unhealthily. Would leave me wondering if the guy was going to die at 40 of a heart attack.
Gremio Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Not at all. I know some very masculine male vegetarians. I would say it's far LESS masculine to change your eating habits out of a desire to conform or appear 'manly'. Also, I would be concerned if a guy ate really unhealthily. Would leave me wondering if the guy was going to die at 40 of a heart attack. Peoples habits often show self respect or lack thereif. That would also indicate their respect for others, at least in my mind.
RecordProducer Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 It really depends on the man. You're either a wimp or you're not. Your eating/cooking habits don't make you one.
johan Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I had salmon, a huge salad, juice and oatmeal for dinner. No one has called me a wimp so far this week. Women will adjust their expectations quite a bit in order to be with a guy who respects himself. Regardless of his lifestyle choices.
You'reasian Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 This is out of pure curiosity. Would a guy who is a vegetarian or even vegan be a turnoff for women? Or a guy who knows and loves to cook? I myself am partly a vegetarian. I'll eat seafood but I stopped eating any kind of land animal 2 years ago because I hate the idea of slaughterhouses. What I noticed though is I don't know a single other MALE who has similar eating habits. I know a lot of girls who are vegetarian, but no guys. This might sound ridiculous, but is being a red-blooded carnivore associated with being manly? Are guys who don't do this viewed as wimpy or not masculine? Again, this is just a curious thought I had. If someone thinks I'm a wimp because I don't eat meat and like to cook, then they can shove it. On a slightly different note, I can tell you what is a turnoff to me - vegetarians who try to make others feel guilty for eating meat. It's cool that you feel strongly about your beliefs, but keep them to your god damned self. I can see this being a problem if: 1. You have special dietary needs 2. Yours and her diets are drastically different and not open to variety 3. She has special dietary needs that are drastically different from your special dietary needs Tough! 9 out of 10 women enjoy my cooking - the one that doesn't either has a grudge, is a bad ass chef by trade or has those damned special dietary needs... I cook everything from breakfasts, grilled/bbq, pastas, salads to Asian. Need someone with mediterrnean or mexican cooking to balance out my palate.
Vertex Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I'm not vegetarian, per se, as I do eat a lot of seafood and lean turkey meat to try to stay fit... but I eat salads quite frequently Regardless, I don't think women would find it a turnoff unless it was a difficult issue (e.g. they can't cook anything for you, or you refuse to eat at restaurants they may really enjoy, etc). It's just another lifestyle choice. And, like any other lifestyle choice, it may or may not click well with someone else's choice(s).
Konfuzion Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Gourmet cooking is one of my favorite hobbies, but I have also studied martial arts my entire life... I am anything but wimpy however I am not a vegan or vegetarian but eating meat doesn't define you....
johan Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I eat mostly marshmallow peeps and small, delicate flowers, and I only drink warm milk. But I'm a lumberjack, and I'm ok. I sleep all night and I work all day.
porter218 Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Well I never dated a vegetarian but most of the men I dated could cook and usually loved to do it. It has always been one of the things I looked for in a man....a man who is willing to cook. My H cook and I find that sexy.
Nemo Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I ate a salad, once. Interesting. Then I washed it down with a Double Quarter Pounder (with Cheese), and I felt much better.
SoulSearch_CO Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I live in a very health-conscious area. Veganism/vegetarianism would not be a turn-off to a woman and in fact would be pretty normal around here. So maybe my view is skewed? But I say as long as he doesn't act like he's better than me because he doesn't eat animals and I do, I don't see the problem. I also see NO problem with the man being a good cook. Are you kidding? That would be awesome. LOL
Star Gazer Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Honestly, I think I would find a vegetarian/vegan to be a little feminine. I consider myself a foodie, and would be turned off by someone who limited their diet to that extent - whether it's a lifestyle choice or just being picky. As for cooking, I think a man who can cook (and enjoys it!) is verrrrrrry sexy.
Gremio Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Honestly, I think I would find a vegetarian/vegan to be a little feminine. I consider myself a foodie, and would be turned off by someone who limited their diet to that extent - whether it's a lifestyle choice or just being picky. As for cooking, I think a man who can cook (and enjoys it!) is verrrrrrry sexy. I'd like if no one forms an opinion against me, but I agree. I am very big on nutrition, and without meat, you can become very unhealthy. The body needs real protein to maintain muscle and growth. Soy proteins and other alternate proteins are not sufficent. I absolutely agree with peoples beliefs, but not when it comes at the risk of your own health. From the Northwestern University Website: Protein from animal sources (meat, fish, dairy products, egg white) is considered high biological value protein or a "complete" protein because all nine essential amino acids are present in these proteins. An exception to this rule is collagen-derived gelatin which is lacking in tryptophan. Plant sources of protein (grains, legumes, nuts, and seeds) generally do not contain sufficient amounts of one or more of the essential amino acids. Thus protein synthesis can occur only to the extent that the limiting amino acids are available. These proteins are considered to have intermediate biological value or to be partially complete because, although consumed alone they do not meet the requirements for essential amino acids, they can be combined to provide amounts and proportions of essential amino acids equivalent to high biological proteins from animal sources. Plants that are entirely lacking in essential amino acids are considered incomplete proteins or sources of low biological value protein. These sources include most fruits and vegetables. A low biological value means that it is difficult or impossible to compensate for insufficient amounts of essential amino acids by combining different sources as with partially complete proteins. If you have an essential amino acid deficiency your body your body needs to get the essentials aminos from somewhere - your body begins to cannabilise itself. This leads to a condition known as Protein-Energy Malnutrition. PEM has the following clinical features: weight loss, diarrhea, loss of lean body mass, muscle weakness, depigmented hair and skin, pressure sores, and depressed immune function.
Jilly Bean Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I wouldn't date a vegan/vegetarian guy, and here's why: 1 - most people who don't eat meat tend to be the tree-hugger type, and are forcing other politics at you as well or the birkenstock crowd. HUGE turn-off. 2 - men that are so "dainty" about their food restrictions, tend to be lousy lays. If a guy is so particular about food, then he's probably uptight and squeamish about sex. I believe in total hedonism and passion as it relates to food AND sex, and you really can't have one without the other. 3 - Eating meat is in our biology. Our bodies REQUIRE meat protein. The cooking thing? No problem. Most of the best chefs in the world are men, and I love a guy who has a passion for food! BUT, what's a veggie gonna cook me to turn me on? Tofu loaf? Save a tree. Eat a cow.
Author kashmir Posted December 9, 2008 Author Posted December 9, 2008 Well Jilly, I don't think your stereotype is that farfetched, but I'm a big guy and an athlete, so obviously I'm eating something right to be healthy! Though as I said, I'm not a hardcore vegetarian. I'll eat at least 10 egg whites a day, in addition to seafood, dairy, and proteins from plants. I can't vouch for myself in bed since I really have never slept with anyone, but I'd be willing to bet that I would be pretty good.
O'Malley Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I guess that means that men who chomp down steak tartare are the epitome of masculinity. I'm a vegetarian; a guy who likes steak is fine, but if they smoke, drink heavily and don't regularly work out, they're not compatible with me. I've accepted being rejected by the guys who have lingering fears of broccoli and spinach carried over from childhood. A person who can cook well and be creative about it (such as coming up with vegetarian or meat dishes for other people, even when it's not to their palate) is always welcome.
carhill Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Personally, I don't assign stereotypes to eating preferences or base judgements of such people upon those preferences. I react strictly to the behaviors which directly impact me, at the time/place of impact. No foreshadowing The reverse of some of the postings would be true if, being with a group of vegans, I pouted because I couldn't have my red meat and complained and attempted to manipulate the choice of eating venue (or cooking style at a private function) to get what I wanted. My behavior is what I would (and should) be ashamed of, not my food preference. Common sense would indicate that I could find something appropriate and satisfying for that one incident. People masticating greens like a cow does not disgust me. Even if it did, I don't have some ordained omnipotence to control the actions and preferences of others. Too much responsibility
blind_otter Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 I'm just talking about cooking in general...not any particular habit. I have to admit, I am a control freak in the kitchen. I appreciate a man who is willing to do prep work or whatever, but I really like to be in control of the kitchen. I have my way of organization, the way I time my meals so everything is ready simultaneously, my way of doing just about everything in there. I guess I am the good ol' southern girl my daddy raised me to be. I cook almost every single meal that we eat in my house, and I bake as well. My S/O will chop veggies per my orders, and he sill stir things and take them in and out of the oven per my instructions while I feed the baby (he can't, he doesn't have boobs ) but other than that, I do all the cooking and baking and I like it that way. So, IME, I don't get along well with men who like to cook a lot. We end up fighting over the kitchen. As for dietary restrictions, I have no problem with them. I make vegetarian (NOT vegan, ick) dishes at least twice a week, just for health reasons. But I had a boss in a previous job who was a militant vegan. She would shove her beliefs down my throat and I was constantly put off by her attitude of condescension towards those who indulged in animal protein.
yongyong Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 As long as you don't look like those hippies or tree huggers sitting at the coffee place talking about politics and environmental issues shxx like that. majority of the population eat meats and if you try to preach her why she shouldn't eat meats, you are going to make yourself look dumb.
You'reasian Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 I eat mostly marshmallow peeps and small, delicate flowers, and I only drink warm milk. But I'm a lumberjack, and I'm ok. I sleep all night and I work all day. And wednesday we'll go choppin... (finish it)
movingonandon Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 I honestly stopped for a minute to think about it, and my inclination is to state that yes: a man who does not eat meat is weird. I have vegetarian friends that i love, but they are weird, and not in a way that is attractive to women. (good that both of them are married, to vegetarians). Also, they are both scrawny looking fellas that's also not particularly badass look. I wish it wasn't such a pain in the azz to go out and kill your own food, so merely eating meat is the closest we can get ,
Author kashmir Posted December 10, 2008 Author Posted December 10, 2008 I honestly stopped for a minute to think about it, and my inclination is to state that yes: a man who does not eat meat is weird. I have vegetarian friends that i love, but they are weird, and not in a way that is attractive to women. (good that both of them are married, to vegetarians). Also, they are both scrawny looking fellas that's also not particularly badass look. I wish it wasn't such a pain in the azz to go out and kill your own food, so merely eating meat is the closest we can get , But I keep saying that not eating meat doesn't = scrawniness. I've been off of beef, pork, and chicken for 2 years and I'm in great shape and very muscular. Like I said though, I eat a ton of egg whites and a ton of seafood to compensate.
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