Another one bites the dust!

[Gowithflow]

First, like a lot of others, I thought all was not perfect, but far from over.

 

My wife and I got married just over 5 years ago. We dated for about a year before she got pregnant. A lot of that time I was healing from not only a bad relationship, but a dirt bike wreck that broke my arm pretty bad and put me on crutches. She enjoyed taking care of me, and I was off work and fully able to goof off with her in the beginning.

 

Fast forward. We both come from decent families. Married mid '02. Our daughter was born early '03. We focused on that, plus having fun, but we never talked about real issues of our relationship. We never fought and like many I assumed that since we never fought that all was well. I was a very proud and happy man!

 

For 4 years, the wife was working only one day a week while I busted ass to make sure our daughter was able to be home instead of daycare. It was "all good". Not really. Wife was telling anyone who would listen that she was not very happy. That is, everyone but me. I honestly believed that all was ok. Not perfect, but very comfortable for both of us.

 

In retrospect, I made all of the classic mistakes. Not showing my appreciation. Not fully engaging in conversations with wife. Focusing too much on hobbies and racing. TV. Working on the house too much. Staying up way too late. Grouchy. Thinking of other women, (but never cheating).

Weekend trips with the boys, too much work travel etc...

 

Mixed in lots of family good times. We never fought. The wife kept it all inside.

 

Anyway, when our daughter reaced 4 years and a few months old, we decided it was time for pre-school part time. The wife found a partime job at a newly opened wine bar/cafe'. She loves to cook and is very good at it. She was soooo happy. It was great, (for a while).

 

The place is a gathering joint for people who want to "chat". My wife made lots of new friends. Including one I did not know about. He happens to be a fireman/paramedic who plays beach vollyball. Great eh?

 

They met back in August, (shortly after our 5 year anniversary). I did not even find out about it until 11/2, (one month ago). I was away on business m-f for the entire month of Oct. I flew home on Halloween. My wife had a catering gig that weekend and I agreed to watch our daughter while she was away. My daughter was excited to see me and on Sunday after halloween mentioned a person named "Eric". Long story short, she mentioned that they had been to this guys house for dinner, plus about 5 other meetings. I immediatly called the wife who was on her way home. She got defensive and said we would talk about it when she gets home. I was freaking out.

 

She arrives, and says that they are "just friends" of course. I wanted so bad to believe her, but I had that sinking feeling. I grabbed her cell phone, but she grabbed it back. I said some threats and she got very quiet.

 

The next day I looked up the house phone records. Huge pattern of calls to/ from this guy since Aug. Way more when I was gone, but a lot while I was at home. Ouch!

All wife did was downplay the affair. I gave the ultimatum not to call the guy, plus I called him and said the same. I was furious.

 

All that did was force them underground. Everything was very suspicious to me. It was cat and mouse. We both made promises, I admitted my shortcomings. I accuse, she denies. Bottom line, I told her to stop and she would not. Just lies. How doe I know how big the affair had become?

 

Here's the kicker...I TAPPED MY HOME PHONE!!!!

 

I have facts to confront her with and she still denies everything!

I almost told her about the phone tap, but that would have been a very bad idea. It would have been way too soon. I'm so glad I did not. It has given me the conidence to say #$%@ you!!! Once she is gone there will be no more need for the tap. She willl never find out from me. She lied. I spied.

 

Don't get me wrong, had I been smart, I would have changed MY ways a long time ago. I love my wife dearly. I would walk through flames to prevent a breakup/divorce. She is, (was), everything to me. I hurt so bad I shake! BUT, That person is no longer. Her heart is elsewhere. That is a fact I cannot change. The phone tap proved to me beyond a doubt that she has become another person entirely the day she fell for the other guy who would "listen and care". The wife is very hot and sexy, (that's not helping me). I jelous and want to kill this guy, but I still have a daughter to worry about. Apparently, the other guy has a daughter as well and the have played well together while I was working like a dog.

 

Fast forward again-

The wife finally had to admit everything about the affair. It is very deep and shows little signs of slowing. She is moving out of the house on Monday. I took her wedding ring and am looking forward to divorce. It hurts. Trust me, she had every oppertunity to stop this. She chooses not to, and I cannot hang while she decides "finds herself". We have been to councelling seperatly, (same counceller), but she say's it's for her, not us. This offers no hope. I begged a little, but I am very clear on the severity of the situation ALL BECAUSE OF MY PHONE TAP. She blabbed for hours to her friends and exxagerates everything. I even have conversations between her and the new guy. Un ****in believable! If not for the tap, I would be so much worse! I told my couseller about it. She was in awe.

 

It is another very sad demise of a marriage that was not in any danger from the man's perspective. Women do this often. It has happened to me in other relationships. I was single until I turned 40. It's a pattern that I cause. I have felt hurt, and burned, and sorry, and totally kicked in the nuts like I wanted to die over this **** in the past. It's the same feeling now but way worse since I am married, in love, have child, house, home, stuff, financial woes, all compounded by a cheating and lying wife. I can only look forward to privacy at home and a new outlook. It will take time and like many of you I have not slept more that 3-4 hours a night. I've lost 15 ponds since this went down. I am still around the wife daily, and all I want to do is hug or slap her. I now cannot wait to get her and all of her **** out of my house. I will pay $$. Oh well.

 

NC besides the daughter from now on. If she totally begged me for another chance I would do it in a second, but that will not happen anytime soon. If so, she would have ended the affair immediatly. That did not happen. I must move on and be strong. There is no alternative. To hold on to false hope would kill me.

 

I will survive. I allways do. This **** sucks. What else can I say? I'm just glad I'm not 100 percent in the dark on this because the wife thought there was now way for me to find out the extent of the affair. She still does not get it. I'm telling you, a trip to radio shack is worth years of therapy

 

Glad we are not alone

Gowithflow~

[johan]

Sorry to hear about all that. It's the worst feeling in the world to have suspicions about the person you are meant to be able to trust more than anyone. And then to find out the worst possible way that you were right. Hopefully the same thing will happen to Mr. Volleyball.

 

Think it was worth it?

[whichwayisup]

So is this other guy married? If so, time to tell his spouse.

 

I'll say this, it won't work out between them and soon enough the affairyland-fantasy will come to a halt when reality sets in - Real life, the good the bad and the ugly.. THis guy has kids too, and also he's a firefighter, which means all sorts of shift work, and overnights.

 

THAT is when she'll call you and realize she messed up big time.

[skinman]

Gowithflow,

I am so sorry to read about this my heart feels for you freind ! But by reading your post you have an amazing outlook and if you keep that uo it will be so much easier to move on.. I wish I could be as strong as you seeme to be> my wife of close to 16 years decided a month ago that she no longer loved me, hated me and blamed me for how her life has turned out... Granted we have never hurt for money we have a nice big house 4 cars and she still says I made her life miserable... I dont know buddy.. I Wish I had your strength to tell her off..... but sadly I don tI still love my wife and have hope that maybe she would change her mind......

 

Keep being strong and take care of your kids....... Your in my thoughts !!

Skin

[Gowithflow]

So is this other guy married? If so, time to tell his spouse.

 

I'll say this, it won't work out between them and soon enough the affairyland-fantasy will come to a halt when reality sets in - Real life, the good the bad and the ugly.. THis guy has kids too, and also he's a firefighter, which means all sorts of shift work, and overnights.

 

THAT is when she'll call you and realize she messed up big time.

 

 

The OM is separated and has no girlfriend other than my wife. What they have is an "emotional affair" that became way more over 4 months behind my back. They miss eachother's company when they are apart. It is hours of deep disscussions and puppy love. The wife has the hots for this guy. She thinks he's her heroe. He is a home wrecker. She is content with the new role of "single mom" since she says that's what she felt all along. Too weird, but I see her point. This guy is the "knight in shining armor". Badge and all. He will get bored with my STBXW. I will not dwell once she is out. The genie is out of the bottle. I actually am glad I am not the one who cheated because the wife will face more guilt than she will ever know. I've seen this pattern before. She will / does realize the wrongness, but that does not mean she should stay. As much as it hurts, I'm glad she is leaving. I will remain open minded, but I need the time to heal. Not dwell.

I did expose her affair to her mother. I was very truthful and respectful. She just deserves to know both sides why our marriage failed. That was another good call at this point.

 

The wife will happy on surface with the new freedom, but also be hurt and depressed while realization sets in. Her own doing at this point.

[whichwayisup]

Separated...Do you know for how long? Separation means nothing sometimes, just go look the in OW/OM forum as some MM bounce back and forth between home and somewhere else. Still think you should tell him.

 

Anyway, try to keep this calm at home, away from your daughter. You and your wife still have to co-parent together for many years to come, so if possible, suck it up when you're around your wife.

[Woggle]

Just let her go and fight for your right to be a father to your daughter. She is convinced that you are the source of all her unhappiness and nothing you say or do will change that. I know it's rotten when women pull this crap after the kids are born but what can you do? This is why men need to be very careful about who they plant a seed in. When this guy plays her and spits her out she will then learn.

[Gowithflow]

Separated...Do you know for how long? Separation means nothing sometimes, just go look the in OW/OM forum as some MM bounce back and forth between home and somewhere else. Still think you should tell him.

 

Anyway, try to keep this calm at home, away from your daughter. You and your wife still have to co-parent together for many years to come, so if possible, suck it up when you're around your wife.

 

No worries on the relationship with the OM at this point. Hurts? Of course. She's packing boxes downstairs as I type. Part of me looks forward to a new life without the lies. It happens to the best of us. I swore my wife was "different". Ya, for a while, until she got sick of the boring life of a superficial relationship with her husband. I am a very forgiving person. The ball is not in my court, nor will it be for a very long time. I choose to deal with it by doing exactly what everyone says to do. Move on. Accept the pain. Live it, know it, be glad that I have a heart capable of feeling it. It is every bit as real as the love I felt for my wife at one point. That faded, just like the pain will. I feel the pain of loss, but what can I do? I screwed up, but she crossed the line. Not me.

 

I will never yell in front of my daughter or talk smack about her mom. She's only 4 1/2. I will remain calm through all of it and try to adapt to my new role as single dad. I will be the best I can be.

Take the high road. Anger is the enemy.

 

Drink to all we have lost and what will never be.

To ever revisit my past marriage would be a joke. I t would have to be all new and fresh. That cannot happen now. I have lost interest in girlfriends that have scared me with the way they handled the breakup. I could not get away fast enough or far enough. Long term marriage / life together is so much deeper and way more serious because of the consequnces and others involved. Bottom line, marriage is a gamble, and the odds are against us. People loose. My turn.

 

I will cry from time to time. It's human. She cries in front of me too. Dosen't change anything though. Not now at least. Never say never, but accept what's real today and worry about tommorrow when it gets here.

 

It's been a month for me since my world turned upside down. I thought I could turn it around by negotiating. Takes two. Now that part is over at least. We had thanksgiving together, but that was horrible. We fought all the way home, (daughter was asleep). She's quiet and upset, but not willing to make any promises to save anything. Done deal at that point.

 

I am writing this from experience. I thought I was done with all of that when I made the big commitment. Now I realize I had the view from 10,000 feet above it all. I guess I'm becoming an expert.

 

I'll continue to post in hopes people can relate. I have lurked on this site for about 3 weeks. Good stuff. Good people who don't deserve the agony inflicted by those who have become very vindictive selfish people.

 

WWIU, PP, Skin, LH, Confused, the list is long. Cheers!

[LostHusband]

I'm glad you are holding it all together, Gowithflow. I look to your strength in this and apply it to myself. It has been hard, I've been up and down and all around. But I feel its finally over. It was hard letting go when my wife left and she was still single, though now she has a boyfriend and even though she says nothing about it, I know he will be there tonight with her. Her home was all cleaned up (its always a mess) and she was sitting watching tv waiting for me to pick up the kids. She asked when I would be bringing them over tomorrow, which I know means he will be there and she wants to get him out before we come. Well now that I know all this it does seem easier to finally let go. May we all continue to be strong...

[BackonTrack2]

Holy Crap, I just read your entire post. Dude your a solider.

I sense the angry in your tone, I sense it. You are fighting to not be upset.

You have to do more now, channel that energy. Elimante her from your life, its not your time to settle, ok cool you got a daughter out the relationship, time to move on.

 

 

Do what you have to do.

Follow it through, she's going to realize your serious.

 

a) Get Divorce Papers, have them ready for her to sign, it cost $300.

b) Take out the money from the joint accounts, reopen new account in only your name

c) Kick her out (ok good she's packing)

 

Ok 4 years is a long time, you guys probably have a co-dependent life.

 

d) Does she have a cell-phone? Who pays for the bills?

Call up the cell provider, take her name off the account.

Call up the cell provider, have them give you her PHONE NUMBER.

 

e) Finical Responsibilities

What are you paying for that SHE USES and has no connection to your daughter?

 

Medical/Dental Insurance?

Is she on it? Take her name off

 

Credit Cards, is she paying the bills? Remove her name from the account. Cancel the cards.

 

Photo's, start taking down the photos of YOU and her throughout the house. Leave the ones with your daughter and the three of you.

 

She deserves nothing. She's a whore.

[confused71]

Good luck to you mate.I am going through the exact same thing with my cheating wife.The pain is unbearable but like you said I would still probably take her back if she asked.Not sure if I will trust anyone ever again.

[dead-dyke]

GWTF, your post is extremely hard to read, let alone for you to live. But if it makes you feel any better, it will be a source of great strength to even some of the vets around here. Simply amazing. Unbelievable. I'm in the category of future trust issues, as well.

[confused71]

I'll continue to post in hopes people can relate. I have lurked on this site for about 3 weeks. Good stuff. Good people who don't deserve the agony inflicted by those who have become very vindictive selfish people.

 

The selfishness is the bit I cant get my head around.Whenever I try and discuss anything with my cheating wife she says 'I 'am making 'HER ' life miserable and she cant wait for me to leave.( I found out about the affair a couple of months ago and have still been living in the same house) But she doesnt care about going off with the OM in front of my face or answering his calls when I am there.Wish I knew what I did to deserve all this.

[dead-dyke]

Wish I knew what I did to deserve all this.

 

 

You........... and everyone else. As far as it being your fault? NATURALLY. n9688m has the perfect term coined for this - Revisionist history. And they will tell whomever will listen to them about the 'new' old problems that you've 'always' had or done. All w/out you being there to defend your good name.

[EmperorR]

Wasn't married but was with my ex for 3 years, cheaters suck and scum, of course they always blame you like you opened their legs and invited a male to screw them.

[Gowithflow]

Holy Crap, I just read your entire post. Dude your a solider.

I sense the angry in your tone, I sense it. You are fighting to not be upset.

You have to do more now, channel that energy. Elimante her from your life, its not your time to settle, ok cool you got a daughter out the relationship, time to move on.

 

 

Do what you have to do.

Follow it through, she's going to realize your serious.

 

a) Get Divorce Papers, have them ready for her to sign, it cost $300.

b) Take out the money from the joint accounts, reopen new account in only your name

c) Kick her out (ok good she's packing)

 

Ok 4 years is a long time, you guys probably have a co-dependent life.

 

d) Does she have a cell-phone? Who pays for the bills?

Call up the cell provider, take her name off the account.

Call up the cell provider, have them give you her PHONE NUMBER.

 

e) Finical Responsibilities

What are you paying for that SHE USES and has no connection to your daughter?

 

Medical/Dental Insurance?

Is she on it? Take her name off

 

Credit Cards, is she paying the bills? Remove her name from the account. Cancel the cards.

 

Photo's, start taking down the photos of YOU and her throughout the house. Leave the ones with your daughter and the three of you.

 

She deserves nothing. She's a whore.

 

Thanks BOT. I am way ahead of the game on the finances and everything. I have all of the money and I never opened a joint account. I gave her a $500 limit credit card to use for expenses., and I took that back right away. I've owned my house long before we married, and the market is back down to where it was 5 years ago so there's no equity to split.

 

Also, she agrees to not going the lawyer route. I told her I would give her some help so my daughter will not live in a dump. The amount is up to me and I have not decided that yet.

 

The cell is no biggie. I got her a "go phone" as in pay as you need the minutes. It's no longer attached to my credit card.

 

She gets a decent car and a few bucks, but she will need to work twice the hours she has in the past.

 

According to recent phone conversations, she feels like she screwed up majorly. She has not talked to the OM for 5 days, but he's out of town so no biggie on that. She told him she needed space as well to make sure the move was for her not him.

Somehow that made me feel a little better. I don't think she's a whore. Just never should have married me that's all.

 

I was stir crazy so I cooked dinner last night. It went well. I was relaxed knowing that what needed to happen is finally actually happening. We talked like friends for a while. I was not mad. The secret? I popped a 5mg valium. Works wonders!!

 

Separation from the mind games. Privacy at home. Freedom to date and have company. These a good things.

 

She's out the door I can relax when she's gone.

[Blue Eyed Brain]

If you tap a phone you will hear things that will disturb you.... what where you expecting "how I love my husband." You went "downtown" and found out some bad stuff.... now you need to deal with the knowledge you longed to know. Good luck.

[Gowithflow]

The selfishness is the bit I cant get my head around.Whenever I try and discuss anything with my cheating wife she says 'I 'am making 'HER ' life miserable and she cant wait for me to leave.( I found out about the affair a couple of months ago and have still been living in the same house) But she doesnt care about going off with the OM in front of my face or answering his calls when I am there.Wish I knew what I did to deserve all this.

 

You married the wrong person. That's all. Not entirely your fault. Pretty common pattern. Tap the phone. It's easy, and you will know exactly where you stand at all times. That, along with a little valium at night. will ease your mind until the hell part where minutes seem like hours is over. Radio shack has the greatest device ever for $100.

[Gowithflow]

If you tap a phone you will hear things that will disturb you.... what where you expecting "how I love my husband." You went "downtown" and found out some bad stuff.... now you need to deal with the knowledge you longed to know. Good luck.

 

Thanks BEB. Knowlege is power. Better to live in reality than in someone else's fantasy land.

Mind games are way more damaging than truths. No matter how painful.

Listening to the hour long conversations between her and her best friend is classic. Not all bad mind you. Changes almost daily.

 

I can only imagine how this will play out. Especially if I develop other rewarding relationships on my own in a couple months. To me that's exciting.

[SRV]

Hey Gowithflow, I can bet you that their relationship will not last and I can also bet you that she will come back after realizing the mistake or extent of indiscretion. Just concentrate on yourself and your daughter, so far I am impressed by the way you are hadnling the whole situation.

[Gowithflow]

Funny how i'm not really that mad anymore. The STBXW found a place nearby and I helped her move most of her stuff yesterday. We talked a little, but mostly just moved her stuff. The place she got is awesome. Ocean views, horses, room for my daughter, safe. I'm ok with that. It's a granny quarters at a mansion. The people are cool. Made me feel that they are safe at least, and very serene.

 

Anyway, niether one of us has been eating well, so the 3 of us went for pizza. It was nice. I actually gave her her wedding ring back and told her to hang on to it for our daughter. She immediatly put it on her finger.

 

The plan was for her and daughter to sleep in their new home, but she said she would just rather come home for one more night, (there's no bed at the new place yet, just a pull out couch). I said ok, so we went back home and she packed more things while I chilled for the most part. Helped a little.

 

Went to sleep fairly early and slept well considering. I woke up very horny so I figured what the hell? Made the move, she let me. Had quiet but great sex with her before getting out of bed.

She told me "I love you" loudly as I rode my motorcycle away from the house. I nodded from behind my dark face shield.

 

My commute is twisty road through redwood trees. I thought to myself, "as far as women are concerned, sex is everything to me. as soon as it gets boring I lose interest". That's what happened to me in our marriage about 2 years ago.

 

I always thought Al Bundy was pretty funny. Maybe I have some Al Bundy syndrome in me from way back.

 

Anyway, tonight will be weird at home. I made a plutonic date for a beer and some music later. Should be interesting since she's smart, divorced and good looking.

[Gowithflow]

Date night did not happen. I was being a good dad by picking up my daughter from preschool and spending my time with her while the STBXW was unpacking. Last night was the first night in her new place. We spoke on the phone a few times, but the daughter was pretty sad at times that she was away. I told her that mommy has a house, but daddy is fixing your "home". That worked well and she was fine the rest of the evening. Of course I was freaking out a bit about being alone and all, but The house is looking much less cluttered without the tons of crap the wife would pile up everywhere. I can't wait to paint and redecorate. The house will be my project for quite some time. May be a good time to do a room addition that I've been planning. The possibilities are endless.

 

The STBXW is really no fun to be around anymore. Just causes me more stress and anxiety. I'm still very attracted. I even try to make her laugh. But as a person she's fallen way down the scale.

 

I have my daughter until tomorrow morning. I'm realizing how much work it is to entertain and teach a small child. No wonder moms always "loose it". However, she is so pure and loving. I'm glad I have the time to spend at the moment. There really is some good coming out of our breakup, and that is I'm getting to know my daughter as a father and not just as a playmate.

[SierraRose]

BOT2, you're right on target. Take care of the bank accout a.s.a.p.!

[Gowithflow]

STBXW is pretty much all setup in her new place. There's still a lot of her stuff in the house. and I'm pretty overwelmed at the amoung of stuff she managed to accumulate and cram into every nook and cranny.

 

The place where she's now living is awesome. I'm actually jelous because the views are amazing. Like I always wanted. My daughter has her own room there that is bigger than the on at home. Of course there are horses on the property and the people who own the property are totally cool, and have already made the ex and daughter feel very much at home. For them it is perfect.

 

For me, things are not so great. I'm in contact way too much with the ex. We spent time together on the weekend, and shared some meals. The reason I feel so crappy is the fact that I am still very hurt by the affair she started and continues with the OM. I know he is always on her mind, even when she is with me. I can accept that, but it's still difficult none the less.

 

I am very bored at home. I've been trying to get the house together, but there's still way to much stuff to deal with, (as in her junk), and I get overwelmed pretty easily.

 

I've really been worried about the single dad role as well. I want to be sure My daughter does not dread leaving mom's new place to come stay with me, (I pick her up from pre school tomorrow and I'll have her for a week). I have some fun activities planned, but she will miss her mom for sure. She's used to me being gone as I have traveled a lot ever since she was born. I expect a few meltdowns.

 

I've talked to a lawyer about the terms of divorce and how to go about it. I'm in CA where all divorces are "no fault". The stbxw said she will waive alimony and not mess with my 401k or house, (the 401k is way down, and the house was mine before we got married. The equity is down as well so she has bad timing if she expects any real money).

 

At first, I offered to let her have legal cutody and we split time with the daughter 50/50 and be flexible about it.

 

I also offered a one time payment of $6K to do it all uncontested and stay away from courts or lawyers.

 

I would continue to pay daughters daycare expenses until the divorce is final, then it's 50/50 on that as well.

 

Since I make more money, I would also pay her child support. The amount would be figured out automatically by the state support calculator. This amount would not be that much since I would have her half of the time.

 

The only thing I've changed my mind about is the legal custody part. I will push for joint LEGAL custody. This will help protect me from total separation from my daughter should the ex decide to leave the state.

 

Mentally, I hurt pretty bad at times. Being around the ex does not make me feel any better. Sex with her is no longer an option for me. At least not now because It makes me feel weak. I really want to go NC, but she wants to go the friend route. I hate being the "friend" to an ex. There's nothing worse at this stage. It makes me the lap dog/doormat.

 

I will do my best to go NC except for daughter related stuff. I got a text earlier today stating her plans for the day and she'd call later XXOO. I ignored it.

 

I do not need to explain to anyone how bad it hurts to have a wife cheat and end a dream of a lifelong family commitment.

 

I'm sure I cannot match the amount of pain many of you are still dealing with after several months / years have passed. I think I am over the initial shock of discovering the affair, although it's only been 5 1/2 weeks. The pain I'm feeling now is more loss/lonliness related. Like someone very close to me has died suddenly.

 

As you all know, these feelings come and go in waves. It's very difficult to eat/sleep/focus still. My job is uncertain, and that's adding to my anxiety as well as the holidays.

 

I'm very curious as to how I will feel in another month. Could be the same, could be worse, hopefully better because this sucks right now.

 

Also, in the grand scheem of things, I feel I should not complain too much. There are many others out there who have been dealt way crappier hands that I have.

 

The stbxw is still pretty content with her decisions and bases that on the fact that I ignored her. B.S. I've read enough of these threads to know that she is trying to place all of the blame on me still. I was not that bad and I did not deserve to be cheated on and lied to. If it were'nt for the phone tap, I would still be very much in the dark on a lot of what went down, and the magnitude of the affair.

 

It's just very confusing now when the stbxw is nice to me. I'm honestly starting to hate that. But, I suck up a lot because i need her to be extremly easy about the divorce, plus I need to consider my relationship with my daughter. That could be very fragile.

 

So, the part of me that wants to say F.O! is supressed. For the moment at least.

 

When do i actually file the papers? Well, unless something major changes I'll shoot for the beginning of the year. I just need to hold it all together until she signs.

 

I've been to couselling 3 times. I go again tomorrow.

[imagine]

There is hope, if you want it...

 

The show ain't over till the fat lady sings. All it needs is a "Plan B" letter - Read "Surviving an Affair" Dr Harley.

 

Affairs seldom "make it" for a number of reasons. So.... do you want to recover your marriage?