Question for MEN only about hookers, really better than "civilian" women?

[Mending1985]

James - fair call. You make a totally valid point! My apologies for criticising you, I shouldn't have jumped the gun.

 

BTW, I just wanted to say, it was only a few MONTHS of "tricking"

[ipetree]

I can say this...

 

More men would be willing to marry a sweet ex prostitute, than a controlling feminazi.

[JamesM]

LOL

 

First of all, when men go to those Asian Spas, NONE of the women are drunk, or on drugs.

 

What evidence supports this statement? Have you gone? Have you tested them? Many people who are on drugs do not necessarily seem to be on drugs. Drugs are used to make one feel better, and they do not all look glassy eyed with eyes rolling back in their head.

 

Did you know that many/most of the AMP ladies are brought over here as slaves to attend to men? Not many of them actually choose this as a career. It is chosen for them.

 

You are assuming all of prostitution are the stretwalker crackheads you see, that sleep with other crackheads.

 

What percentage of the "high end escorts" do not do drugs? I doubt there are statistics for this. I can say that no escort in her right mind will ever admit to using drugs or having ever caught an STD. If she did, then her career would be over. Even though the safest ones may be the ones who admit to a failure, men will shy away from them and go to the ones who never admit to an STD.

 

And all escorts say they use condoms yet amongst themselves, the men share names of the ones who are willing to go "bareback." And yet they think that the ladies of "our community" are STD free. Go figure.

[Mending1985]

And all escorts say they use condoms yet amongst themselves, the men share names of the ones who are willing to go "bareback." And yet they think that the ladies of "our community" are STD free. Go figure.

 

I know it's off topic, but why would men want to sleep with a prostitute who is willing to bareback? I mean, if she'll do it with you, surely she's done it before...yuck!!

 

I had clients ask me to do it, and just no way. My health is far too important to me.

 

I just don't understand it.

[ipetree]

If you want to extend it far enough, what % of Americans are on some form of drugs? Prozac? Paxil? Drinkers? Pot smokers?

 

When we are talking about drug addict prostitutes, we are speaking of women who do anything just to get high. Usually crackheads. So they have sex for 5 dollars to get crack.A crack head street walker.

 

If there is a sex worker who has her things together, she might recreationaly do drugs just like the rest of Americans. Or she might not. But drugs are not driving her to be a prostitute.

[mental_traveller]

Seriously, though, it's funny because we all know that just a decent looking woman could have sex with almost any man she wanted without any money, time, or effort. Just walk into a room full of men, grab one you like, and say "I want to have sex with you". Unlikely you find much resistance.

 

This is false.

[Trialbyfire]

Mending, you need a dose of reality.

 

AUSTRALIA

South Australia also legalised prostitution and then reversed the legislation. A summary of the course of events follows.

South Australia experienced 20 years of attempts trying to get prostitution legalised. In July 2000 the house of Assembly narrowly passed legalising brothels. Then, on 17/05/2001 South Australia legislation rejected bill after looking at evidence from other states where similar legislation

caused an increase rather than decrease in prostitution problems. They also looked at exactly who wanted brothels legalised and found it was those who get money from prostitution - pimps, madams & academics (others who support newly fashionable theory of "voluntary prostitution".

 

In various Australian states legalising or decriminalising results in large numbers of brothels setting up outside the rules, e.g., Victoria State, New South Wales.

 

They found the following problems were caused by prostitution:

1. Public nuisance. Men loitering and urinating on streets, near brothels, violence.

2. Spread of STD’s / AIDS.

3. Serious depression / drug addiction in prostitutes.

4. Child sexual abuse. A significant percentage of customers prefer very young prostitutes.

5. Other crimes – drugs, weapons, stolen goods.

 

They found that legalising brothels or prostitutes resulted in a two-tier system or legal and illegal prostitution, with an overall increase in the number of prostitutes, particularly in the illegal sector. This resulted in an increase in all the problems of illegal prostitution that legalising prostitution was supposed to solve.

 

The argument was put forward, in view of the serious hazards associated with prostitution, that it should be banned, just as the asbestos industry was banned in Australia due to the hazards involved.

New South Wales decriminalised brothels and had similar problems as Victoria State as a result of their legalising brothels. The numbers of brothels escalated, with many of the businesses being unapproved and fly-by-night. Also New South Wales had hundreds of illegally imported Asian women who were exploited in brothels.

 

A US State Department human rights survey, published on 25.02.00 condemned lax prosecution laws in Australia which lead to a increase in trafficking of East Asian females for the Australian sex trade.

 

It was conclude that legalising brothels does not remove pimps, but provides a comfortable environment for pimps to operate in.

 

http://doctorsforlifeinternational.com/

[Mending1985]

Mending, you need a dose of reality.

 

 

 

http://doctorsforlifeinternational.com/

 

Thanks TBF. Very helpful. Interesting stats...the ones I read are different but I guess that's beside the point. Check out www.scarletalliance.org - might give you an education :-)

 

Still doesn't detract from the fact that I PERSONALLY am not a drug addicted whore, and there are a lot of escorts out there who aren't either.

 

I just wanted you to stop generalising. That is all. And to accept that prostitution happens and you have no right to condemn other people for their choices.

 

I thought that part was pretty obvious...

[Mending1985]

Sorry, its www.scarletalliance.org.au

 

also you can have a look at www.pla.qld.gov.au

 

I was arguing that it was REGULATED, not the people that CHOOSE to break the law. Read things more carefully instead of being so keen to prove that you are right!

[JamesM]

I know it's off topic, but why would men want to sleep with a prostitute who is willing to bareback? I mean, if she'll do it with you, surely she's done it before...yuck!!

 

I had clients ask me to do it, and just no way. My health is far too important to me.

 

I just don't understand it.

 

Honestly, I have no clue.

 

Usually the comment is because it feels better. IMO that few minutes of feeling would never be worth the possible risk of your health and especially the risk to the wife...because even if one forgets her health, a STD makes everything public.

[movingonandon]

Of course it's bs. Men don't pay hookers to leave. Men would have to pay her to STAY once she's earned the fee they already paid her to have sex with them. She doesn't want to stay. She's just there because they pay her for sex.

 

I don't think anybody seriously believes that, everybody involved is aware that the only thing that holds this interaction together is exchange of money for something else. I'm getting a little depressed by reading all the judgement poured over this situation - I do not feel used, i and perfecly aware that the girl would leave unless she sees the money. Related, since she is the one who calls the shots (how much, when, where, what etc.), I hope/assume that she does not feel used either.

 

A more general point --> Here is one far-fetched analogy, but bear with me for a second. Many people go to see counselors/therapists these days. The therapist is paid to listen to your problems and occasionally steer you in one way or another to figuring them out on your own. But, he is NOT your friend, and he does NOT care about you as a person. He would NOT listen to your life stories UNLESSS he or she was paid. Does the fact that he is not your friend and does not give a **** about you undermine what you're getting out of therapy? Of course not. Basically, if you have a very insightful friend you could get the exact same benefit as you would from a therapist. But it rarely happens not because you're "inherently" unable to find good friends, but because your friends might be busy, not sufficiently insightful, etc.etc. etc. Does not having a particularly insightful friend at that exact moment you need him make you a social loser? Of course not. So you go and pay a therapist.

 

So, why is it so horrible if a prostitute provides the *illusion* of companionship, particularly when both parties are perfectly aware that she is only doing it because she is paid? It does not change the fact that this is an at least somewhat satisfying, though temporary substitute. I've not once advocated cheating with hookers on your girl or wife, so that's out of the picture. But I see nothing inherently demeaning - for myself or for the girl - in doing this if you find yourself in a situation where you are not currently in a relationship, or have enough self-respect not to cater to otherwise uninteresting or just plain annoying women just in order to get laid? Which also brings us to the "predatory" point - also insulting. If anything, I appreciate the fact that a girl would provide such kind of companionship, and feel thankful - it's an illusion that I am happy to indulge in once in a long while. The last thing on my mind is to degrade her in some sort of way in the process. So eat it

 

I was in a great relationship for 4+ years, and I certainly hope one day to find another one like that or better. But to call me or others like me losers (explicitly or implicitly) simply because it will take god-knows-how-long before that happens again and because I might go see an occasional working girl during that time simply makes no sense whatsoever .

 

Everybody on this forum knows that finding a meaningful relationship is difficult, unpredictable, and may take forever. More importantly, this is in no way a reflection of what kind of people we're talking about: both women and men, young and older, can easily go through an year or two between 'real' relationships. Obviously, I hope it is not that long, but it will be no reflection of my adequacy, if for some reason this becomes the case.

 

I'm a pretty secure guy and other's opinions do not affect me. But I'm poining out that from a research perspective, to make assumptions about OTHER's self-esteem, morals, psychological health, etc. etc. etc. based on YOUR assumptions about prostitution is moronic in some very basic and obvious ways. Go back to college and learn some more about logical thinking The fact that some will never think of hooking up with a pro, while other will do it makes neither group superior or inferior to the other. So eat it once again

 

P.S. Eat it !

[Trialbyfire]

I just wanted you to stop generalising. That is all. And to accept that prostitution happens and you have no right to condemn other people for their choices.

 

I thought that part was pretty obvious...

I cannot support a predatory and illegal practice. I've stated this over and over again. If you're happy with your choices in life, it's your life. I have every right to have my own opinion about the industry in it's entirety and the people who are involved in it. I don't feel they're normal, for all kinds of reasons. This is my view and my choice to maintain.

 

Read up on the industry you're supporting. I hope you're as appalled as I am.

 

http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Australia.htm

 

Human Trafficking & Modern-day Slavery

Commonwealth of Australia [ Country-by-Country Reports ]

Australia [map], the smallest continent, lies between the Indian and Pacific oceans. Its capital is Canberra and its largest city is Sydney. Australia has an enviable Western-style capitalist economy, with a per capita GDP on par with the four dominant West European economies. One concern is the rapid increase in domestic housing prices, which have raised the prospect that interest rates will need to be raised to prevent a speculative bubble.

Australia is a destination country for women from Southeast Asia, South Korea, Taiwan, and the People’s Republic of China (P.R.C.) trafficked for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation. Prostitution is legal except for in the states of Western Australia and South Australia. Many trafficking victims were women who traveled to Australia voluntarily to work in both legal and illegal brothels, but were subject to conditions of debt bondage or involuntary servitude. There were reports of several men and women from India, the P.R.C., South Korea, the Philippines, and Ireland migrating to Australia temporarily for work, but subsequently subjected to conditions of forced labor, including fraudulent recruitment, confiscation of travel documents, confinement, and debt bondage. - U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2008 [full country report]

 

*** FEATURED ARTICLE ***

Paying for Servitude: Trafficking in Women for Prostitution in Australia

Traffickers routinely respond to women’s initial complaints, including their requests to return home, with sexual, physical and psychological violence. Threats can include something as subtle – I use the term advisedly – as threatening to send a woman’s child a pornographic picture of her. As with women deceived about doing prostitution, this violence aims to teach women that they have no other option, cannot access help and cannot escape. One of the great skills of traffickers is their ability to move beyond simple brute force. In this way, women can be effectively imprisoned with well-applied and strategic physical violence, that may appear minimal to outsiders, cemented by devastating psychological violence. Traffickers engage with women’s psychology. They learn what women value, and work to their strengths and weaknesses. In this, I suspect we can learn something from them. I am sure if government agencies spent more time trying to understand how trafficked women see things, rather than seeing them as problems that don’t understand how we work, we would have more success in challenging trafficking.

 

*** ARCHIVES ***

Bur of Democracy, Human Rights & Labor - Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2005

 

TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS – Some women, primarily from China and Southeast Asia, were brought into the country for the purpose of prostitution, sometimes entering with fraudulently obtained tourist or student visas. Many of these women traveled to the country voluntarily to work in both legal and illegal brothels, but some reportedly were deceived or coerced into debt bondage or sexual servitude. Authorities believed that sex trafficking networks were composed primarily of individual operators or small crime groups that often relied on larger organized crime groups to procure fraudulent documentation for the trafficked women. In June 2004 a federal parliamentary committee issued a report on its yearlong inquiry into the national criminal intelligence agency's response to sex trafficking and the adequacy of federal anti-trafficking laws.

In response to the report's recommendations, in June the government expanded existing anti-trafficking laws to include new offenses for debt bondage, child trafficking, and domestic trafficking, with penalties of up to 25 years in prison, and in September ratified the UN Trafficking Protocol.

Concluding Observations of the Committee on the Rights of the Child (CRC) - 2005

 

[67] While the Committee welcomes some positive developments in the context of prevention of trafficking and forced prostitution, such as the adoption of the National Plan of Action to Eradicate Trafficking in Persons of October 2003 and the changes to the Criminal Code in 2005 whereby, inter alia, trafficking in persons and child pornography have been criminalized, the Committee is concerned that Australia continues to be a destination country for trafficked women and girls in the sex industry.

[69] The State party is also encouraged to become a party to the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children, supplementing the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, to which Australia is a party.

Salvos issue slavery call-to-arms

Salvos say about 3,000 trafficked workers may be found on Australian farms or in mines, factories, restaurants and private homes. Spokesman Rick Hoffman says he knows of Indonesian or Burmese children as young as 12 working in Brisbane.

Govt taking poor approach to human trafficking: report

A new report by an international alliance of non-government organisations suggests Australia's anti-people trafficking measures should be reviewed. The Global Alliance Against Traffic in Women argues Australia puts too much emphasis on law enforcement instead of protecting victims. In a report to be released today, the organisation also raises concerns temporary skilled work visas under the 457 visa scheme could expose migrant workers to exploitation. Human rights lawyer Eleanor Taylor-Nicholson from the Alliance says there is a focus on the sex trade in Australia at the expense of other workers.

Falling Short of the Mark: An International Study on the Treatment of Human Trafficking Victims [PDF]

AUSTRALIA - Australia is complying with its international obligations under the Trafficking Protocol related to the protection of victims of human trafficking. Since 2003, it has implemented a phased system of protection for victims of human trafficking with enhanced residency status being tied to enhanced support services, which are government funded. Specialized investigative teams have facilitated the unique needs of trafficking victims being promptly addressed.

RESIDENCE - The new Australian approach to residence of trafficking victims is three-phased. First, the “Bridging Visa F” lasts for 30 days while an investigation into trafficking claims are being made. Secondly, if the victim agrees to assist with the investigation, they are eligible for a “Criminal Justice Stay Visa” (“CJS Visa”) which is valid for the duration of criminal proceedings in the case they are assisting with. Thereafter, victims may apply for a “Witness Protection (Trafficking) Visa” enabling them to remain in Australia on a temporary or permanent basis, depending on individual circumstances.

Ellison rejects estimate of sex slave numbers

"I believe that the number of people who have been deceptively recruited into the industry in Australia is very low and I think we're talking about quite a small number," Ms Fawkes said.

Australia acts on forced marriage

Australia has brought in tough laws that could see people who traffic young girls overseas for forced marriages jailed for up to 25 years. The Justice Minister, Chris Ellison, said the practice was tantamount to sexual trafficking and would be an offence under the new legislation.

Sex trafficking under the microscope

Mr Milroy said the syndicates might now be shifting their operations to other crimes. "I think a lot of the attention ... has raised the level of awareness in the community," he said. "Those who are involved and are affected by this, as all criminal groups are when you pay them attention, step back and realize this is too difficult and that there are easier ways of making money."

Trafficked Women 'Being Raped, Starved'

There are at least 1,000 adult women in Australia in any one year who have been brought here to work as prostitutes and most have their passports removed and are subjected to violence and rape to "break them in".

Children 'Handed Over To Sex Ring'

"The picture is painted of young girls and boys who were frightened, unable to protect themselves and make disclosure and who were abandoned by their carers [care givers]," says the report by Ted Mullighan, the commissioner of the inquiry into the sex abuse of state wards. The report finds that young boys from St Joseph's Catholic Orphanage and Brookway Park Boys Reformatory were sexually abused at the homes of adults who had permission to take boys on day outings or to stay away at weekends, the report says.

Freedom House Country Report - Political Rights: 1 Civil Liberties: 1 Status: Free

 

[Mending1985]

TBF - that's fine. You can post all the stats you want about my country, because at the end of the day i will find 5 times WORSE about yours. And you know that its true.

 

And for God's sake would you grow up and stop being so damn narrow minded?? Stop selecting things that I say and twisting them around to make them what you want to use to prove a point! When did I say I support trafficking huh? When did I even say that i SUPPORTED street walking?? I DIDN'T. I said I was fine with what I did personally. And that yep you're entitled to your opinion, but NOT when you use that opinion to belittle and degrade other human beings. You need to get over yourself and off your little soap box in your little tiny corner and open your eyes to other points of view.

 

You are hating, plain and simple. And that shows just how narrow minded and pathetic you really are. Maybe you should go wear a white hood or beat up some gay kids - it's dramatic yes, but it's all relative. You are putting down other people for WHAT THEY CHOOSE.

 

I'm done with your argument. I'm not going to continue to try and show something to someone as small as you.

[Mending1985]

Between 18,000 and 20,000 victims trafficked into United States annually. Many who work with this issue believe this number is considerably higher.

In the United States alone, it is estimated that there are 200,000 slaves.

More than half of victims trafficked into United States are thought to be children; victims are probably about equally women and men. (hhs)

[Trialbyfire]

I'm sure you could find 5 times as many issues within this industry in my country, rather than your country. I was just rebutting your usage of your country as a shining example of prostitution gone right.

 

It is predatory and even illegal, in parts of your country too.

 

I won't change my mind that there's a horrific underbelly of predatory behaviours within your ex industry. Anyone that supports predatory behaviour, to justify self, needs a reality check, one that I'm just as happy to back up with articles.

[Trialbyfire]

Between 18,000 and 20,000 victims trafficked into United States annually. Many who work with this issue believe this number is considerably higher.

In the United States alone, it is estimated that there are 200,000 slaves.

More than half of victims trafficked into United States are thought to be children; victims are probably about equally women and men. (hhs)

What percentage are used for prostitution? Btw, based on site rules, you should be posting the link to this information.

[Mending1985]

Ok, once and for all, just because I was a sex worker, who had no problem with her particular job, noone else, i am not saying yay hookers are great everyone should be one, if you would just READ I am saying you have NO RIGHT to look down on anybody else. That is all I am saying.

 

You don't have to support it. I never said that. Just don't you dare look down on anybody else as you are far from perfect, and you just plain don't have the right to. How dare you judge other people? Oh because you never had sex for money, you're perfect? You're a totally good person? Bull.

 

I understand your problem with the industry, I don't know why you refuse to understand my opinion on my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in the industry.

 

Geez. I'm sure you are older than me, try acting like it!

[Mending1985]

http://www.unescobkk.org/index.php?id=1963

 

Research it yourself - I really don't care to be honest.

 

Just give up TBF. You aren't going to change my opinion, and you are just making yourself look more and more narrow minded and bigoted by the second.

[Mending1985]

http://www.unescobkk.org/index.php?id=1963

 

 

Oops wrong site! Sorry - I'm at work and frazzled today

 

http://paulstewart.typepad.com/endangeredfaith/2008/10/statistics-on-human-trafficking.html

 

Thats where the stats are from - the other site is another one I looked at with similar but not comprehensive info.

[Trialbyfire]

http://www.humantrafficking.org/updates/643

 

Here's an article about the pros and cons of legalizing prostitution:

 

Against Legalization

Professor Janice Raymond - When the question of legalization of prostitution is discussed, many commentators start with the unproven assumption that legalization protects women. Who said so? Let’s look at the evidence in countries that have legalized or decriminalized prostitution.

In the Netherlands, Germany, and Australia, legalization has failed to protect the women in prostitution, control the enormous expansion of the sex industry, decrease child prostitution and trafficking from other countries, and prevent HIV/AIDS -- all arguments used for legalization. And it has transformed these countries into brothels.

Legalizing prostitution is legalizing the prostitution industry. What many people don’t realize is that legalizing prostitution means not only decriminalizing the women in prostitution, but also the pimps, brothels and buyers. My organization favors decriminalizing the women but not the pimps who promote prostitution and trafficking and exploit the victims. In countries like the Netherlands when legalization took effect, pimps overnight became sex businessmen. One day, they were criminals and the next day legitimate entrepreneurs.

Legalization led to open season on prostituted women in the Netherlands. Organized crime took over the sex industry, and this is the main reason why 30 percent of the window brothels have recently been shutterd by the mayor of Amsterdam. Because they had become a haven for traffickers and unsafe for women, Amsterdam and Rotterdam have also closed down their tipplezones -- what some call tolerance zones, but in truth are out-and-out “sacrifice zones” where certain women can be bought and sold.

Germany’s legalized prostitution system has become a magnet for sexual exploiters, so much so that Germany has become the destination of choice in Europe for traffickers. Legalization in the State of Victoria in Australia has encouraged 3 times more illegal than legal brothels. Even the Australian Adult Entertainment Industry acknowledged that the illegal sex industry is out of control there. At the same time, many legal brothel owners have been involved in setting up and profiting from illegal brothels. “Customers” want more “exotic,” younger, cheaper women and those who can be induced not to use condoms. Victoria has the highest rates of child prostitution of all the states and territories in Australia.

In the 21st century, how can any individual or country say they support gender equality when, at the same time, they fortify the legal segregation of a class of women who can be bought and sold? So often we hear that prostitution is inevitable, and that a zero tolerance approach is unrealistic. It is no more unrealistic to work for an end to sex slavery than it was and is to work for an end to race slavery.

There is no evidence that legalization of prostitution makes things better for women in prostitution. It certainly makes things better for governments who legalize prostitution and of course, for the sex industry, both of whom enjoy increased revenues.

Instead of abandoning women to state-sanctioned brothels, laws should address the demand. Men who use women in prostitution have long been invisible. There is a legal alternative to state sponsorship of the prostitution industry. Rather than cozying up with pimps and traffickers, States could address the demand – as Sweden has done -- by penalizing the men who buy women for the sex of prostitution. And as in Sweden, this would help create a chilly climate for the buyers and the traffickers.

 

For Decriminalization

Dr. Melissa Ditmore - Prostitution should be decriminalized. This would remove prostitution from the criminal code and thereby render prostitution akin to other businesses. It’d be taxed and subject ot business requirements. Decriminalization of prostitution has been a success in New Zealand and parts of Australia. They cite decriminalization as an advantage over legalization because removing prostitution from the criminal code avoids both the problems of graft and abuse associated with police jurisdiction over prostitution and the sometimes overbearing regulations that accompany legalization. (For example, in Nevada’s brothels, brothel-owners decide whether licensed prostitutes are allowed to leave the brothel during their off hours. Prostitutes can be required to stay on the premises for weeks at a time, no matter their working hours.) Decriminalization would better protect people in the sex industry from violence and abuse.

In many places, legal reform of prostitution laws is not a high priority for advocates for the rights of sex workers. One reason is that in the majority of the world, consenting adults exchanging sex for money is not per se illegal, but this does not prevent the harassment of sex workers and their colleagues by law enforcement. Legal reform clearly does not solve all problems related to the sex industry.

However, advocates and activists would rally behind legal reform that would lead to police addressing violence committed against sex workers. Police cannot and do not simultaneously seek to arrest prostitutes and protect them from violence. Currently, under New York Criminal Procedure Law, sex workers who have been victims of sex offenses, including assault and rape, face greater obstacles than other victims. Indeed, women describe being told, “What did you expect?” by police officers who refused to investigate acts of violence perpetrated against women whom they knew engaged in prostitution. The consequences of such attitudes are tragic: Gary Ridgway said that he killed prostitutes because he knew he would not be held accountable. The tragedy is that he was right – he confessed to the murders of 48 women, committed over nearly twenty years. That is truly criminal.

[Mending1985]

TBF - you are doing this all for yourself lol I don't care hey!

 

You can argue all you want against it, I told you it doesn't bother me because you are entitled to your opinion.

 

Everytime I mention you looking down on people, you shy away from that comment or post another useless article

 

Good luck with it all sweetheart.

 

See ya!

[Trialbyfire]

Ok, once and for all, just because I was a sex worker, who had no problem with her particular job, noone else, i am not saying yay hookers are great everyone should be one, if you would just READ I am saying you have NO RIGHT to look down on anybody else. That is all I am saying.

 

You don't have to support it. I never said that. Just don't you dare look down on anybody else as you are far from perfect, and you just plain don't have the right to. How dare you judge other people? Oh because you never had sex for money, you're perfect? You're a totally good person? Bull.

 

I understand your problem with the industry, I don't know why you refuse to understand my opinion on my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in the industry.

 

Geez. I'm sure you are older than me, try acting like it!

Ask yourself why you're in a frenzy over my opinion.

[amaysngrace]

This guy and a girl are parked outside of town one night. They are getting ready to have sex when the girl says "I probably should have mentioned this earlier but I am actually a prostitute and I charge $20 for sex".

 

The guy takes out $20 and they do their thing.

 

After a cigarette the guy is just sitting in the driver's seat staring out the window. She asks him "Why aren't we going anywhere?"

 

He says "I probably should have said something sooner but I'm really a taxicab driver and I charge $25 to get back into town"

[norajane]

You don't have to support it. I never said that. Just don't you dare look down on anybody else as you are far from perfect, and you just plain don't have the right to. How dare you judge other people?

 

You yourself said that you thought of your customers as weak. And you wouldn't date them, either. So you are judging them, yes?

 

Why is it different if TBF judges the industry and the prostitutes as well as their customers?

 

So, why is it so horrible if a prostitute provides the *illusion* of companionship, particularly when both parties are perfectly aware that she is only doing it because she is paid?

 

Buying and selling sex cheapens sexuality between men and women by making human sexuality a financial transaction. That's why I won't date a man who frequents hookers, and why I would never be a hooker.

[Tony]

As often happens after hundreds of posts in a thread, posts get mean and off topic. Therefore, without further adieu we shall close this thread and call it a day. After so many posts, the OP should be pleased with so much comment and discussion.