Question for MEN only about hookers, really better than "civilian" women?

[Jersey Shortie]

Even if you are a buff 25 year old male model, you can get laid in 30 minutes by paying for it. To chat up a woman and take her home could take several hours or more of looking, and you have the likelihood of having to talk with her the next morning, or being an ahole and kicking her out. So if you value your time more than the cost, or you don't want to deal with emotional aspects of picking up normal girls, then visiting a professional could make sense.

 

As for fantasies etc - many women are conservative about that. Even those that are totally liberal, usually won't want to do it within 10 minutes of meeting you. Whereas a prostitute will generally do almost any fantasy imaginable within a few minutes of walking in the door.

 

Exactly. It doesn't takes any effort a man might actually have to make to learn about what it takes to be with a woman that he doesn't have to pay to service him. It also doesn't make him work for anything. I don't think when it comes to men or woman having something come so easily is a good thing.

 

Human beings are complicated. Women are people with needs and desires of their own. A man is a better person for learning how to relate to women and treat them with respect. A man is not a better person for paying for sex. The same goes for women. Women are better people for learning to relate to men and treat them with respect. In the case of hookers and johns, there is no respect. Only selfishness and laziness. That's not attrative to either sex. It's not hard to see why men paying for sex with hookers is a huge turn off for most women.

 

So IMO normal women should not feel threatened by hookers (or porn stars). As long as you are passionate in bed with a guy, and willingly discuss fantasies and actually really *want* to have sex with him lots, then 9 times out of 10 he'll be happy

 

I'm not threatened about hookers. I just think men that need to pay for sex are unattractive and wouldn't want to associate with such a man.

 

 

 

Is that really true? Yes, some guys pay for sex because they can't get it easily otherwise. But some guys who can easily get sex also pay for it. Charlie Sheen did not exactly have problems getting women - and very hot women at that. Yet he still paid thousands of dollars a night for different hookers to come visit him. In fact he said he paid for them to leave. He was paying to avoid the emotional issues and hassle involved with trying to pick up normal girls for meaningless one night stands.

 

Yes. Charlie Sheen is a fine example of a man. I don't understand what the example of Charlie Sheen is suppose to prove? He is a man that has cheated and been married and divorced more times then I can remember. Is that really a man you want to use as an example to prove for mankind? Sorry. When men say that the money is used to pay them to leave, men are feeding themselves a prideful lie. Men know that paying for sex is weak and unattractive and saying such a bs comment makes them feel better but it isn't the truth.

 

In some ways he was being more honest IMO. He could *easily* have gone to any LA nightclub, picked out a few girls of his choice, and probably had sex with several of them that same night.

 

Now Charlie SHeen is "honest" because he went to a hooker. :lmao:

 

 

Awww, oh so contrived. Whether or not I would date a hooker depends on what kind of a person she is, not whether or not she has been a hooker. Shoking, eh?

 

Glad to hear but I highly doubt most men would be of the same mindset. Men don't want to date hookers generally and women don't want to be with men that have been with hookers.

 

 

But I would not write her off *just because* I've somehow become afare that she's been a hooker. Your problem is that you assume that hookers by definition are some sort of troubled or rotten person.

 

Rotten? Not at all. Those are your words, not mine at all. I never thought or said hookers were rotten. Troubled? Oh yes I think they are troubled because no matter how friendly and bubbly a hooker is, doesn't mean she doesn't have issues.

 

I have no issue with the hooker. I just am very turned off and loose respect for a man that has visited one.

[Trialbyfire]

The easiest thing for you, is to stop reading my posts. If this is about the win, I give it to you. Having said that, it's not going to stop me from posting!

[Mending1985]

It's predatory behaviour and illegal.

 

Why is it predatory behaviour? Two CONSENTING adults have a sexual meeting with the terms discussed prior to the meeting? How is that predatory? She is not threatened, and neither is she.

 

And also, I assume it is illegal in the States, but where I live, its totally legal. I personally wouldn't have done if it WAS illegal.

[Trialbyfire]

Why is it predatory behaviour? Two CONSENTING adults have a sexual meeting with the terms discussed prior to the meeting? How is that predatory? She is not threatened, and neither is she.

 

And also, I assume it is illegal in the States, but where I live, its totally legal. I personally wouldn't have done if it WAS illegal.

In your last post to me about your situation as a prostitute, in what kind of financial, emotional and mental state were you in, when you first entered the industry? What brought you to prostitution?

[Mending1985]

JerseyShortie, I totally understand your point of view, and this is going to make me COMPLETELY hypocritical as I used to be a working girl, however I could not date a man who used to see working girls. Probably because of the type of clients I used to see (don't get me wrong, most were really nice, normal even attractive men) but the thought of HAVING (not choosing) to pay for it baffled me and made the men seem very weak to me.

 

Strange isn't it lol

[Mending1985]

In your last post to me about your situation as a prostitute, in what kind of financial, emotional and mental state were you in, when you first entered the industry? What brought you to prostitution?

 

Financially, I had a full time day job, but was struggling with credit card debt due to our huge interest rate hikes, was struggling to pay the minimums and just got sick of it. I was originally doing some modelling but not getting enough work to pay the debt as quick as I wanted, and a photographer suggested escort work. I checked it out on the internet, read some boards etc. read the laws and then advertised.

 

Emotionally, I was fine. I slept around a lot when I was younger so this seemed no different really. Mentally, in the beginning I was a bit shocked with myself. I was scared that my friends and family would find out what I was doing and I would be excommunicated for being a "whore".

 

Everything I earned from prostitution I put straight onto my credit cards. As soon as I paid the balance, I took my ad down, got rid of my prepaid work phone, and that was it. I stopped. I have no temptation to go back there again.

[Lizzie60]

In Canada, the soliciting is illegal not the sex itself.. this is weird but it is what it is..

 

I once met a MM for a coffee .. he knew who I was.. what I was looking for.. I will not f*ck a MM for nothing.. so.. he knew.. he agreed over the phone.. blablabla.. then I met him in person to see if we clicked..

 

We did.. at least I think we did.. I did.. he was tall, very handsome.. we talked about his family.. he had 4 kids.. he was quite younger..

 

I found out he was a cop.. checking for underground prostitution.. I had nothing else to hide..he knew I had a good job.. (although I didn't tell him exactly where I work)..

 

For him.. I was insignificant.. I wasn't into drugs.. I was doing my own little business.. I was alone.. no pimps.. I was clean, classy.. would never have guessed I was an escort... so nothing happened.. we just met.. talked about it.. that was it.. never heard from him again...

 

So I am not in the least worried about cops.. they are looking for 'big bust' not individuals who are clean and drug free.

[Trialbyfire]

Financially, I had a full time day job, but was struggling with credit card debt due to our huge interest rate hikes, was struggling to pay the minimums and just got sick of it. I was originally doing some modelling but not getting enough work to pay the debt as quick as I wanted, and a photographer suggested escort work. I checked it out on the internet, read some boards etc. read the laws and then advertised.

So you were financially vulnerable.

 

Emotionally, I was fine. I slept around a lot when I was younger so this seemed no different really. Mentally, in the beginning I was a bit shocked with myself. I was scared that my friends and family would find out what I was doing and I would be excommunicated for being a "whore".

I bolded the sentence that concerns me. Why did you sleep around a lot as a younger person and how could sleeping with men of your choice be the same as sleeping with paying customers?

 

Everything I earned from prostitution I put straight onto my credit cards. As soon as I paid the balance, I took my ad down, got rid of my prepaid work phone, and that was it. I stopped. I have no temptation to go back there again.

Why not, if it wasn't a big deal? That it was just about earning some money?

[Mending1985]

In Canada, the soliciting is illegal not the sex itself.. this is weird but it is what it is..

 

I once met a MM for a coffee .. he knew who I was.. what I was looking for.. I will not f*ck a MM for nothing.. so.. he knew.. he agreed over the phone.. blablabla.. then I met him in person to see if we clicked..

 

We did.. at least I think we did.. I did.. he was tall, very handsome.. we talked about his family.. he had 4 kids.. he was quite younger..

 

I found out he was a cop.. checking for underground prostitution.. I had nothing else to hide..he knew I had a good job.. (although I didn't tell him exactly where I work)..

 

For him.. I was insignificant.. I wasn't into drugs.. I was doing my own little business.. I was alone.. no pimps.. I was clean, classy.. would never have guessed I was an escort... so nothing happened.. we just met.. talked about it.. that was it.. never heard from him again...

 

So I am not in the least worried about cops.. they are looking for 'big bust' not individuals who are clean and drug free.

 

Yeah I had a similar experience, once the undercover actually met me and realised I wasn't part of an underground ring, and I wasn't on drugs, he basically just warned me about safe sex laws and left it at that!

[norajane]

When men say that the money is used to pay them to leave, men are feeding themselves a prideful lie. Men know that paying for sex is weak and unattractive and saying such a bs comment makes them feel better but it isn't the truth.

Of course it's bs. Men don't pay hookers to leave. Men would have to pay her to STAY once she's earned the fee they already paid her to have sex with them. She doesn't want to stay. She's just there because they pay her for sex.

[Mending1985]

So you were financially vulnerable.

 

I bolded the sentence that concerns me. Why did you sleep around a lot as a younger person and how could sleeping with men of your choice be the same as sleeping with paying customers?

 

Why not, if it wasn't a big deal? That it was just about earning some money?

 

Yes I was financially "vulnerable" - point being? Most women don't go into prostitution because they just want lots of sex with random strangers you know...

 

I slept around because I enjoyed sex and didn't want a relationship...why else would I sleep around? My paying customers were all men of MY choice. They were required to send me photographs BEFORE i agreed to meet them, so I only chose the ones I could find something attractive about.

 

Because I paid off my debt, and that's all I got into it to do, what's the point in continuing? To be honest, working my full time job, then taking clients at night and on weekends was pretty exhausting, so I much prefer just the one day job, I like my career.

[Lizzie60]

Yeah I had a similar experience, once the undercover actually met me and realised I wasn't part of an underground ring, and I wasn't on drugs, he basically just warned me about safe sex laws and left it at that!

 

I guess they don't have time to waste over 'self-employed' sex workers.. .. they have better things to do.. bigger rings to bust..

[Jersey Shortie]

exactly nora.

[Trialbyfire]

Yes I was financially "vulnerable" - point being? Most women don't go into prostitution because they just want lots of sex with random strangers you know...

Of this, I'm aware. Especially the women who are drug addicts, of which there are many within the field of prostitution.

 

I slept around because I enjoyed sex and didn't want a relationship...why else would I sleep around? My paying customers were all men of MY choice. They were required to send me photographs BEFORE i agreed to meet them, so I only chose the ones I could find something attractive about.

Then of course, you must have enjoyed your job, right?

 

Because I paid off my debt, and that's all I got into it to do, what's the point in continuing? To be honest, working my full time job, then taking clients at night and on weekends was pretty exhausting, so I much prefer just the one day job, I like my career.

If prostitution is so lucrative and not a big deal, why pick your day job? Why not become a full time prostitute?

[OpenBook]

My paying customers were all men of MY choice. They were required to send me photographs BEFORE i agreed to meet them, so I only chose the ones I could find something attractive about.

 

Mending, did any of them ever ask you to perform an act that you didn't want to do? If so, did you do it anyway? Did you ever feel awful afterwards?

[Mending1985]

Of this, I'm aware. Especially the women who are drug addicts, of which there are many within the field of prostitution.

 

Then of course, you must have enjoyed your job, right?

 

 

If prostitution is so lucrative and not a big deal, why pick your day job? Why not become a full time prostitute?

 

TBF you can try and belittle me all you like, it really doesn't bother me. I know why I did what I did, and I don't have a problem with it, so really, your opinion means squat to me.

 

But as you are veiling your criticism with interest, I will still reply.

 

Yes there are many drug addicts in the fiedl of prostitution, as there are in stripping, modelling, police work (oh yes its true), actors/actresses, singers....would you like me to continue? The list does go on you know. Your idea of a "drug addict" is outdated and stereotypical and frankly, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Yes, some of the clients were actually good. Some of the others wanted to be taught how to please a woman. I was a GFE escort so I enjoyed my appointments because I actually spent time TALKING to these men, getting inside their heads, and that was very interesting!

 

Because I would like to get married and have children one day, and be with one man. I never saw prostitution as a career. Yes it's lucrative, but the lifestyle wouldn't be mentally challenging enough for me. I need a job that makes me think.

[Mending1985]

Mending, did any of them ever ask you to perform an act that you didn't want to do? If so, did you do it anyway? Did you ever feel awful afterwards?

 

They did ask me to perform acts I didn't want to, and I didn't do it. There were services I refused to provide. I basically worked on the principle that if I wouldn't do it in my personal life, then I wouldn't accept money to do it either.

[ipetree]

I think there is a jealousy amongst certain women.

 

A. Prostitutes are a potential threat to their future husband.

 

B. Are not happy that men can also choose with whom and when they can have sex.

 

Gay marriage is not legally recognized, yet TBF is for it. Is every illegality just?

 

Many lawyers are drug addicts as well.

[Trialbyfire]

TBF you can try and belittle me all you like, it really doesn't bother me. I know why I did what I did, and I don't have a problem with it, so really, your opinion means squat to me.

 

But as you are veiling your criticism with interest, I will still reply.

 

Yes there are many drug addicts in the fiedl of prostitution, as there are in stripping, modelling, police work (oh yes its true), actors/actresses, singers....would you like me to continue? The list does go on you know. Your idea of a "drug addict" is outdated and stereotypical and frankly, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Yes, some of the clients were actually good. Some of the others wanted to be taught how to please a woman. I was a GFE escort so I enjoyed my appointments because I actually spent time TALKING to these men, getting inside their heads, and that was very interesting!

 

Because I would like to get married and have children one day, and be with one man. I never saw prostitution as a career. Yes it's lucrative, but the lifestyle wouldn't be mentally challenging enough for me. I need a job that makes me think.

Come on Mending. Frankly, your perspective of prostitution isn't realistic for the bulk of prostitutes. Do you simply not see the thousands of street walkers who are hopped up on crack? Or are you trying to normalize what your choice in life as a form of self-justification? We both know you didn't enjoy it. We both know there were times where you wished you were anywhere else but doing what you were doing. Don't glamourize a profession that has strong predatory behaviours. Even you wouldn't want a man who has been with prostitutes. Think hard about what you're saying and trying to justify.

[Mending1985]

Come on Mending. Frankly, your perspective of prostitution isn't realistic for the bulk of prostitutes. Do you simply not see the thousands of street walkers who are hopped up on crack? Or are you trying to normalize what your choice in life as a form of self-justification? We both know you didn't enjoy it. We both know there were times where you wished you were anywhere else but doing what you were doing. Don't glamourize a profession that has strong predatory behaviours. Even you wouldn't want a man who has been with prostitutes. Think hard about what you're saying and trying to justify.

 

I understand that there are a lot of street walkers out there, there are a lot of junkie hookers. And I guess maybe it's just Australia is a lot better for sex workers. We have hardly any street walkers anymore now that they've regulated prostitution.

 

Of course there were times I didn't enjoy it. But there have times in RELATIONSHIPS where i would've rathered to be anywhere else as well. And it was just a job, so of course, I didn't want to be at work. It was work.

 

I'm not trying to justify anything TBF. I don't need to justify it. I'm fine with what I did. I am simply answering YOUR questions, as you must somehow think that deep down I am all damaged by it, and oh I hated every second of being a hooker, it was so degrading...well it wasn't. Sorry to burst your little bubble.

 

And again with the predatory comment - it makes no sense! Yes it is predatory I guess in other countries, in my country, not at all.

 

So maybe you should stop attacking ME for my choices, and start looking at your country's choices of how they deal with their sex industry, not well by the sounds of it.

[norajane]

Because I would like to get married and have children one day, and be with one man. I never saw prostitution as a career. Yes it's lucrative, but the lifestyle wouldn't be mentally challenging enough for me. I need a job that makes me think.

 

Do you think it will be harder for you to find a husband, someone who accepts your past without judging you for it?

[ipetree]

LOL

 

Look,

 

TBF is confusing the few random crackhead streetwalkers for all of prostitution to make a point driven by emotion, and not facts.

 

First of all, when men go to those Asian Spas, NONE of the women are drunk, or on drugs.

 

Secondly...

 

Lets say I go to a night club with "civilian" women. They are drunk off their ass, and often times on other drugs. X, marijuana, coke.

 

If you go to a bar that caters to prostitution in a country where it is LEGAL, NONE, yes NONE of the girls are even drinking. NONE are doing drugs.

 

You are assuming all of prostitution are the stretwalker crackheads you see, that sleep with other crackheads.

[Mending1985]

Do you think it will be harder for you to find a husband, someone who accepts your past without judging you for it?

 

Definitely. I know it's going to be a struggle but I just hope that the man that I'm meant for will be understanding and will be able to look past it.

[Mending1985]

LOL

 

Look,

 

TBF is confusing the few random crackhead streetwalkers for all of prostitution to make a point driven by emotion, and not facts.

 

First of all, when men go to those Asian Spas, NONE of the women are drunk, or on drugs.

 

Secondly...

 

Lets say I go to a night club with "civilian" women. They are drunk off their ass, and often times on other drugs. X, marijuana, coke.

 

If you go to a bar that caters to prostitution in a country where it is LEGAL, NONE, yes NONE of the girls are even drinking. NONE are doing drugs.

 

You are assuming all of prostitution are the stretwalker crackheads you see, that sleep with other crackheads.

 

Yay ipetree! You have an informed opinion on prostitution!! Hard to find one of those on here

[JamesM]

That's right, James, they can get women. But, poor things, a lot of those men are married, and they can't just go out and date women and have sex with them, not without a lot of effort and not without a lot of "my marriage is dead, my wife doesn't understand me, poor me". How wonderful that there are so many escorts to help them make cheating easier for them!!

 

From what I know, this does explain why most MM do visit escorts. And while we love to put all of the blame on the men, this is a good point. Many of the escorts do know that their clients are married, and they justify their actions in helping a man cheat. Some like Mending don't ask to keep a clear conscience.

 

You mentioned that you've never SEEN a working girl ,but yet you too read the boards?

 

Sorry, but if you haven't actually experienced it, then how can you comment based on OTHER people's "experiences" alone?? They could be lying for all you know.

 

Maybe just stick to the reason why you PERSONALLY would or wouldn't see a hooker.

 

Sorry, your criticism falls short.

 

First, if I had been to an escort, then that would still only be one man's experience. And then I would be classified as not normal and my experience would be considered invalid. This would make me but a little smarter than a man who has never even researched the prostitution world.

 

Second, your experience comes from as small of a population as mine...maybe even smaller. Your experience comes from one corner of your country and your few years of tricking.

 

Third, they could be lying. So could you. We do not know you ever were an escort. We know nothing but what you tell us. We just need to trust when it comes to cyberspace. However, as here, after reading many posts of someone, a personality does develop, and one can begin to sniff out those who embellish. One can create an image for awhile, but after some time, it takes energy and interest. It becomes boring to pretend.

 

Fourth, most of the comments here do not come from the angle of someone who has visited escorts, so based on your logic, 99% of the posts are worthless to you. Fact is...people who are directly involved sometimes have an opinion based on subjective experiences rather on the objective reality. So experiencing prostitution does not make one smarter than one who has researched it.

 

Much of my "education" does come from cyberspace, but I have SEEN an escort or two. (Pause while eyes pop and coffee is spit out of mouths. ) And the meaning I am meaning is not what you immediately thought. I have talked with a couple of escorts who loved their job and were doing it for the money. I could not say if they were good at their job, but I can say that they seemed very normal. Also, I have PMed a few for opinions on their "chosen field." They could have lied, but their answers would have been less realistic and more "story like."

 

Well if wives paid more attention to their husbands sexually, they wouldn't be tempted now would they?

 

In some cases, this is true. But in many others, the men simply are addicted to the thrill and excitement of the escort world. However, I do remember cases of men who quit the escort world because they were going to make their marriage work. I have no clue of what that result was.

 

The majority of the men who were "frequent fliers" did so for the variety. They loved the apparent popularity with the "wonderful ladies." Not only was every session a fantasy, their whole life on the board was an extension of that fantasy.

 

God this whole topic is just frustrating! Some of the opinions on here are SO offensive!

 

While you are praying to God, why not ask...never mind.

 

 

Hookers unfortunately cop the brunt of abuse because they are willing to sleep with people's partners, because it's just a job to them. The stereotype is really unfair, and yes because I was one, I am taking some of the comments very personal.

 

 

This is true. If the names of the men were listed in the paper each time they were caught, then this would help prevent some men from using prostitutes. On the other hand, many of those who love the risk would not change.

 

I can see how you would take the comments personally. Escorts are very normal people who simply chose this as a way to make money. Personally, it is a supply/demand market. If there was no demand, then the supply would dry up.

 

No woman needs to feel intimidated by prostitutes though. They appear to be better in bed because they can remove themselves from the situations mentally, and they don't have a personal connection to the client, so therefore there is no embarrassment. I think thats the only difference.

 

The best escorts are the ones who appear to truly enjoy their job. These are the ones who convince the men that they truly are "in love" with then and really get turned on by their fantastic sexual skills. What was always amazing to me was the reviews and posts of men as they discussed their favorite woman. They truly believed that she thought of them as more than just a "john." The ones who posted reality were told that the women on this board were different.

 

But that appearance is what brings men back to the escorts versus staying at home and trying to make their marriage work. When a marriage is sexless, the easiest way out is an affair. However, an even easier way if the man has money is to utilize escorts. Many of those men are not a victim of a sexless marriage, but they themselves are responsible for the reason it is sexless. If they decided to man up and fix things, then they would no longer have a sexless marriage, and they could save alot of money.