Question for MEN only about hookers, really better than "civilian" women?

[SushiX]

High end escorts are hot. Most street walkers are not. If I was female I would definitly be a prostitute. Get laid and make money too. What an awesome profession!

[alphamale]

High end escorts are hot. Most street walkers are not. If I was female I would definitly be a prostitute. Get laid and make money too. What an awesome profession!

we are all prostitutes in one way or another...

[elaina]

I honestly think that a lot of women feel threaten by escorts.. they know they can't compete with them on a sexual level.. so they are demeaning them.. I am not talking about thrashy street walkers who do it for their addiction (no one would be jealous of them.. in fact I have pity for them)... I'm talking about high end escorts.. the ones that are attractive, nice body, classy, etc...

 

We all know that successful politicians, actors, businessmen are going to escorts to fulfill a need.. or for whatever reasons they have (the reason is not important ) they do... and will always will..

 

It's easy to make fun or demean people we feel threatened by.

 

I honestly disagree with you on that. I think there are many reasons why many women who are not escorts do not appreciate escorts. Some of those reasons could be the following:

 

1.) Many women marry men with the promise that they will be faithful to each other, so if a man goes out with an escort, obviously he is breaking his word and isn't being faithful hmm? Yeah this can work both ways, with women not being faithful too.

 

2.) Many women think that escorts are not contributing to the good of society. Nurses, doctors, teachers, women in government positions, charitable organizations, and so forth are considered to be careers where women are taking an active role in helping the community. Escorts are not considered to be "needed" or a "help to the community" by the majority of women.

 

3.) Many women think that escorts could possibly have a sexual disease that that may be passed to them by their man who was with an escort or prositute or whoever. Yeah most women do not want to get a sexual disease, and can be very resentful of receiving a sexually transmitted disease. Yes I guess most escorts do not have diseases, but understandably it's an increased risk. The occupation of soldiers has an increased risk of death by being killed, as well as an increased risk of being severly hurt. The job of having sex with strangers has an increased risk of sexual transmitted diseases, even though I assume most in the business take precautions such as condoms and whatever to prevent it.

 

4.) Most women want the WHOLE PACKAGE with their significant other... meaning they want his sex, his heart, his time, his friendship, ... They want to be his soulmate and the one that he desires. This yeah could be a fairytale type desire but it's true... most women want a best friend and lover who is their Prince and who she is his dearly beloved, beautiful princess. Escorts are one factor that can make that dream disappear...

 

I am not trying to condemn those who are in that area of business or those who are customers. I actually think it is a very interesting occupation which if I were not a believer in God, I would even consider due to the money and to the fact I love sex.

 

Those are just some reasons I can think of concerning why women who are not escorts are not thrilled with the existence of escorts, if you see my meaning...

[Lizzie60]

You are entitled to your opinion.. I can respect that..

 

but when you say :

 

2.) Many women think that escorts are not contributing to the good of society. Nurses, doctors, teachers, women in government positions, charitable organizations, and so forth are considered to be careers where women are taking an active role in helping the community. Escorts are not considered to be "needed" or a "help to the community" by the majority of women.

I once saw a program on prostitutes in Holland who were paid by 'society' to provide sexual services to handicap men. Those services were classified as 'needs' in the same manner as 'medical needs'...

 

I know it takes a special 'missionary soul' to do that.. I know I couldn't.. but I thought this was very 'human' ... we tend to forget than those people DO have sexual needs and, in many cases, would never ever find a woman to fulfill those needs..

 

So I have to disagree and say that, in some cases, they are 'help to the community'..

[elaina]

You are entitled to your opinion.. I can respect that..

 

but when you say :

 

2.) Many women think that escorts are not contributing to the good of society. Nurses, doctors, teachers, women in government positions, charitable organizations, and so forth are considered to be careers where women are taking an active role in helping the community. Escorts are not considered to be "needed" or a "help to the community" by the majority of women.

 

I once saw a program on prostitutes in Holland who were paid by 'society' to provide sexual services to handicap men. Those services were classified as 'needs' in the same manner as 'medical needs'...

 

I know it takes a special 'missionary soul' to do that.. I know I couldn't.. but I thought this was very 'human' ... we tend to forget than those people DO have sexual needs and, in many cases, would never ever find a woman to fulfill those needs..

 

So I have to disagree and say that, in some cases, they are 'help to the community'..

 

Hmmm Well, I understand about sexual needs so I can't quite disagree with you on that.

 

About help for the community,If escorts were to give seminars lol for women, that would be an interesting help don't you think? (and no I am not jealous of escorts, but I would be interested in learning. Who wants to stop learning about sex and making your man feel like a king, hmm? Would you consider it?

[Lizzie60]

Hmmm Well, I understand about sexual needs so I can't quite disagree with you on that.

 

About help for the community,If escorts were to give seminars lol for women, that would be an interesting help don't you think? (and no I am not jealous of escorts, but I would be interested in learning. Who wants to stop learning about sex and making your man feel like a king, hmm? Would you consider it?

 

and I would also think that, in some cases, an escort could help a mariage.. she could almost act as a 'sexual therapist'..

 

An escort giving seminars.. I'm sure that happened.. same as escorts writing books.. why not? I think they become 'specialist' except for the diploma..

[porter218]

Hmmm Well, I understand about sexual needs so I can't quite disagree with you on that.

 

About help for the community,If escorts were to give seminars lol for women, that would be an interesting help don't you think? (and no I am not jealous of escorts, but I would be interested in learning. Who wants to stop learning about sex and making your man feel like a king, hmm? Would you consider it?

That would be one really interesting seminar. One of my close friends owns an escort service so I get to hear their stories all the time and I think we all stand to learn a lot from these women. I think they get to see men for who they really are a little more then the rest of us.

[cutegirl]

The title of this thread is rather funny as if prostitutes are not considered "civilian" same goes with the men that pay for their services. We become ugly, disgusting low-lives who can't find sex anywhere therefore we must pay for it..sighh.

 

I got this term directly from guys who post on some of the whore boards in a discussion where they were talking about provs vs "normal girls", they were the ones who used "civilian". I am just borrowing it from them.

[Lizzie60]

That would be one really interesting seminar. One of my close friends owns an escort service so I get to hear their stories all the time and I think we all stand to learn a lot from these women. I think they get to see men for who they really are a little more then the rest of us.

 

 

Hahaha.. I'm sure you heard funny and not so funny stories.. it is an interesting 'job' ..

[cutegirl]

Also fair question. The word "manipulate" is too strong, and certainly does NOT apply to all women, it is just very obvious when it does happen. I don't think men are obsessed with the rare instances of actual manipulation, but with the inherent imbalance in sexual relationships.

 

Wait till you hear about how the majority of johns HATE American and Western women.. One of the hooker boards there was a 40 page topic about how women in America AND Euripe are fat, loud, act like men, think they are princesses, are materialistic, and don't make good wives... and that's why they all go to Latina America and Asia to monger... And some of the guys even get wives there because they feel these women make "Better" wives than Western women. What they don't realize is that these hookers are gold diggin and marrying them for a visa or money as well....

 

I have noticed a very STRONG sentiment among a lot of men just getting tired of women who were raised in America and Europe, no matter what their background, even if they are Asian but raised in America... They prefer the "homegrown" type who are more submissive and "knows her role"...

 

I swear, I always read 30 page topics like this on the boards.

[alphamale]

I have noticed a very STRONG sentiment among a lot of men just getting tired of women who were raised in America and Europe, no matter what their background, even if they are Asian but raised in America... They prefer the "homegrown" type who are more submissive and "knows her role"....

there is nothing wrong with that...it is akin to american women's preference for good looking and successful men.

[porter218]

Wait till you hear about how the majority of johns HATE American and Western women.. One of the hooker boards there was a 40 page topic about how women in America AND Euripe are fat, loud, act like men, think they are princesses, are materialistic, and don't make good wives... and that's why they all go to Latina America and Asia to monger... And some of the guys even get wives there because they feel these women make "Better" wives than Western women. What they don't realize is that these hookers are gold diggin and marrying them for a visa or money as well....

 

I have noticed a very STRONG sentiment among a lot of men just getting tired of women who were raised in America and Europe, no matter what their background, even if they are Asian but raised in America... They prefer the "homegrown" type who are more submissive and "knows her role"...

 

I swear, I always read 30 page topics like this on the boards.

I know exactly what type of man you are talking about. The funny thing is these men are awful husbands/boyfriends that is why they have to look elsewhere for a woman...because we reject them. I bet even American escorts halfway reject them. LOL

[elaina]

That would be one really interesting seminar. One of my close friends owns an escort service so I get to hear their stories all the time and I think we all stand to learn a lot from these women. I think they get to see men for who they really are a little more then the rest of us.

 

and I would also think that, in some cases, an escort could help a mariage.. she could almost act as a 'sexual therapist'..

 

An escort giving seminars.. I'm sure that happened.. same as escorts writing books.. why not? I think they become 'specialist' except for the diploma.. "

 

True that Porter and Lizzie

[Lizzie60]

I know exactly what type of man you are talking about. The funny thing is these men are awful husbands/boyfriends that is why they have to look elsewhere for a woman...because we reject them. I bet even American escorts halfway reject them. LOL

 

I was thinking the same thing...

 

They prefer the "homegrown" type who are more submissive and "knows her role"...

 

Geeezzz.. who wants male pig chauvinists? I know I wouldn't stand a man who would be an ignorant azz towards women..

[elaina]

Wait till you hear about how the majority of johns HATE American and Western women.. One of the hooker boards there was a 40 page topic about how women in America AND Euripe are fat, loud, act like men, think they are princesses, are materialistic, and don't make good wives... and that's why they all go to Latina America and Asia to monger... And some of the guys even get wives there because they feel these women make "Better" wives than Western women. What they don't realize is that these hookers are gold diggin and marrying them for a visa or money as well....

 

I have noticed a very STRONG sentiment among a lot of men just getting tired of women who were raised in America and Europe, no matter what their background, even if they are Asian but raised in America... They prefer the "homegrown" type who are more submissive and "knows her role"...

 

I swear, I always read 30 page topics like this on the boards.

 

Near where my parents live there are 2 Phillipino women who married American men. These men to tell you the truth are not the type I would marry... but anyways Phillipino women tend to endure things that many American women do not put up with. I know for one in particular she had a very hard life cause her American husband was a blanketyblank. She is very nice though. I don't think she is a golddigger, I just think that in her circumstances she had to choose between a hard, impoverished life or a difficult marriage where yeah she was very submissive. He's been dead for awhile though and she just recently married a man who loves her and treats her very well and who she is so happy with.

 

My Mom owns her own business and a wonderful Phillipino lady is her partner who yep is married to an American veteran. I have no idea about their marriage but this lady is a also an awesome lady who works hard and who Mom is so thankful to have as her partner! This is off the subject isn't it? Sorry

[Mending1985]

Cutegirl - you are OBSESSED. It's not that healthy! You are fixated on the sex industry and the men that participate in it, just so you can prove something to yourself? I don't understand...buying books about how guys get away with it, and researching message boards...you can't tell me that you think that's normal?

 

I think you need to look at the real reason WHY this is such an issue for you (and it's not the reason you've given...you need to look deeper)

 

But to stay on topic, I worked as an escort for a couple of months to get my credit paid off. I do not do drugs, I have a full time day job, I have friends, and family, and I am in no way skanky. I would make appointments in the evenings and weekends, and was never ever "trashy".

 

Now, to shed some light on this topic, I can tell you the reasons that MY clients gave me (as I was curious as to why they were paying for it as some were quite attractive!):

 

1. Wife stopped having sex with them

2. They like the company, it's not just all about sex

3. They like the attention - a good escort specialises in this

4. They know they are getting what they want!!

 

It's that simple.

 

And not all men see prostitutes. And if you never believe another man again, that is YOUR issue, nothing to do with the subject matter at hand cutegirl. You need to remember that.

 

I think you just need to heal from the pain your ex inflicted on you, and one day you will be able to trust again. But stop obsessing!

[Trialbyfire]

Wait till you hear about how the majority of johns HATE American and Western women.. One of the hooker boards there was a 40 page topic about how women in America AND Euripe are fat, loud, act like men, think they are princesses, are materialistic, and don't make good wives... and that's why they all go to Latina America and Asia to monger... And some of the guys even get wives there because they feel these women make "Better" wives than Western women. What they don't realize is that these hookers are gold diggin and marrying them for a visa or money as well....

 

I have noticed a very STRONG sentiment among a lot of men just getting tired of women who were raised in America and Europe, no matter what their background, even if they are Asian but raised in America... They prefer the "homegrown" type who are more submissive and "knows her role"...

 

I swear, I always read 30 page topics like this on the boards.

I think that it's a wonderful idea that men who feel this way go elsewhere for their wives and lovers. You need a strong and confident man to handle American and Canadian women. For men who feel intimidated by women of this calibre, it can only be beneficial for everyone.

 

Overall, there are gold diggers from either gender or ethnicity. If you're constantly finding partners of this ilk, it probably means you're way too flashy with your cash.

[Jersey Shortie]

I don't really think hookers offer better sex. And I think men that say hookers offer better don't know how to engage with a real woman that he doesn't ahve to buy to give him affection and attention. If you want to use the argument that rich men even get hookers, it was never my belief that just because you had money, you were confident in who you were and your sexuality as a man. Look at the Housewives of Orange County. A completely vapid show about insecure needy rich women. What is a man with alot of money and a hooker but needy, rich and insecure. He is expressing it differently, in the way a man would. I think the real truth we can garner from hearing about stars caught with prosititutes while having goregous women in their lives that they are terribly insecure men who needed to validate their masculinity but only were degrading their real masculinity.

 

Here is my outlook on men and hookers. Some men (hopefully not a majority number), think hookers are great. A hooker not only gives sex but makes a man, feel like a man. But truthly, this is a temoporary feeling and a quick fix until he needs that feeling satisfied again. It's not as emotionally detached as men would like to believe of themselves. They get an emotional and physical feeling from having sex with something female and attractive. The difference is that they take on the emotional feeling selfishly for themselves.

 

We were not made be so disconnected. Disconnect is too easy. What comes easy is of no value. Men who choose disconnectedness over a real value of a relationship that yes, is infact more difficult, are not living up to what we were really intended to be, men or women. Hookers are easy because they are basically inhuman to the man except for what is between their legs. If that is the ideal for most men and how men wish women to be, we really have not come that far and I feel sorry for both men and women if that's the case. Women and relationships are more difficult because in relationships a man has to consider another person. That is difficult on anyone. But a man that chooses causal sex over really learning about a real woman and learning how to please her and have her please him, is missing out on so so much. The sad thing is that alot of men don't even realise how they are shooting themselves in the foot because they settle for something has fleeting as sex. And as good as sex feels, I refuse to believe that is all a man needs. Men and women were created for a reason, and created to love each other and have relationships. Men are better people for learning and sincerly giving about women and women are better people for learning and sincerely giving to men.

 

And the truth is no sex is attractive or strong when they are pandering their their most base and easy common denomiator. Just like a woman exploiting a man for money, a man exploiting a woman for money is no less attractive for obvious reasons. Men don't really want to be used for money and no woman really wants to be used for sex. Even if these are the circumstances sometimes. So so men will toot the horn for hookers but it's big talk. Because men don't like it when women pander to their most base desire anymore then women like it when men do. Because doing so is actually very weak and has nothing to do with what being a real man or woman is about and living up to a standard that is more fullfilling.

[movingonandon]

I think that it's a wonderful idea that men who feel this way go elsewhere for their wives and lovers. You need a strong and confident man to handle American and Canadian women. For men who feel intimidated by women of this calibre, it can only be beneficial for everyone.

 

Overall, there are gold diggers from either gender or ethnicity. If you're constantly finding partners of this ilk, it probably means you're way too flashy with your cash.

 

um, i don't consider myself a part of hating the american girls movement, but i should point out that there is a big difference between "intimidated" and "annoyed"...

 

i'm currently going out (maybe/hopefully more soon...) with an asian girl, and the reason i like her is not because she is somewhat submissive (in fact, i think it brings more awkwardness than anything else), but because she's not trying to prove anything 'in my face' (e.g., her 'high caliber'). also, she has no reason to.

overgeneralizations are bound to create bitter feelings, so all the back and forth is fair. what i personally don't particularly like about some american girls is a discernible sense of entitlement and also quite unreasonable expectations of men; also, that more than women from any other nationality they behave obnoxiously in bars; stereotypes are a horrible and unfair thing; but they exist for a reason; go ahead, flame me for being an insecure chauvinist pig

[Trialbyfire]

The more I think about this, the more I think that men who use hookers and women who aren't interested in men who use hookers, are opposite sides of the spectrum.

 

There are core differences in perception of the opposite gender. There are also core differences in how each type, lives their own lives and the decisions they make in reference to how they choose to live their lives. With these differences in mind, you're not going to get much understanding between the two types.

[Trialbyfire]

um, i don't consider myself a part of hating the american girls movement, but i should point out that there is a big difference between "intimidated" and "annoyed"...

 

i'm currently going out (maybe/hopefully more soon...) with an asian girl, and the reason i like her is not because she is somewhat submissive (in fact, i think it brings more awkwardness than anything else), but because she's not trying to prove anything 'in my face' (e.g., her 'high caliber'). also, she has no reason to.

overgeneralizations are bound to create bitter feelings, so all the back and forth is fair. what i personally don't particularly like about some american girls is a discernible sense of entitlement and also quite unreasonable expectations of men; also, that more than women from any other nationality they behave obnoxiously in bars; stereotypes are a horrible and unfair thing; but they exist for a reason; go ahead, flame me for being an insecure chauvinist pig

Being an asian woman doesn't mean she's not either American or Canadian. Don't stereotype based on ethnicity.

[movingonandon]

I don't really think hookers offer better sex. And I think men that say hookers offer better don't know how to engage with a real woman that he doesn't ahve to buy to give him affection and attention. If you want to use the argument that rich men even get hookers, it was never my belief that just because you had money, you were confident in who you were and your sexuality as a man. Look at the Housewives of Orange County. A completely vapid show about insecure needy rich women. What is a man with alot of money and a hooker but needy, rich and insecure. He is expressing it differently, in the way a man would. I think the real truth we can garner from hearing about stars caught with prosititutes while having goregous women in their lives that they are terribly insecure men who needed to validate their masculinity but only were degrading their real masculinity.

 

Here is my outlook on men and hookers. Some men (hopefully not a majority number), think hookers are great. A hooker not only gives sex but makes a man, feel like a man. But truthly, this is a temoporary feeling and a quick fix until he needs that feeling satisfied again. It's not as emotionally detached as men would like to believe of themselves. They get an emotional and physical feeling from having sex with something female and attractive. The difference is that they take on the emotional feeling selfishly for themselves.

 

We were not made be so disconnected. Disconnect is too easy. What comes easy is of no value. Men who choose disconnectedness over a real value of a relationship that yes, is infact more difficult, are not living up to what we were really intended to be, men or women. Hookers are easy because they are basically inhuman to the man except for what is between their legs. If that is the ideal for most men and how men wish women to be, we really have not come that far and I feel sorry for both men and women if that's the case. Women and relationships are more difficult because in relationships a man has to consider another person. That is difficult on anyone. But a man that chooses causal sex over really learning about a real woman and learning how to please her and have her please him, is missing out on so so much. The sad thing is that alot of men don't even realise how they are shooting themselves in the foot because they settle for something has fleeting as sex. And as good as sex feels, I refuse to believe that is all a man needs. Men and women were created for a reason, and created to love each other and have relationships. Men are better people for learning and sincerly giving about women and women are better people for learning and sincerely giving to men.

 

And the truth is no sex is attractive or strong when they are pandering their their most base and easy common denomiator. Just like a woman exploiting a man for money, a man exploiting a woman for money is no less attractive for obvious reasons. Men don't really want to be used for money and no woman really wants to be used for sex. Even if these are the circumstances sometimes. So so men will toot the horn for hookers but it's big talk. Because men don't like it when women pander to their most base desire anymore then women like it when men do. Because doing so is actually very weak and has nothing to do with what being a real man or woman is about and living up to a standard that is more fullfilling.

 

 

I hate to disagree with this very well written post, but the only reason I disagree with it is that it offers just another stark black/white view of reality, with hints of moralism. Well, most reality is grey, go figure...

 

The debate remains unchanged: there are those that interpret prostitution through the lenses of some "fundamental truths" about men, women, life and whatever, and then there are those that dismiss it as innocuous transaction. It is clearly neither of these simple things, but certainly speaks to both of these ideas, and much more...

 

PS Many disgusting individuals have never visited a hookers, and many perfectly normal guys have. How about that for discussion?

[SoulSearch_CO]

I have yet to meet too many "civilian women," as you put it, who are that sexually open

I LOVE meeting guys that feel this way. I always get a major kick out of showing them just how "OPEN" some women truly can be. LOL

[Jersey Shortie]

I hate to disagree with this very well written post, but the only reason I disagree with it is that it offers just another stark black/white view of reality, with hints of moralism. Well, most reality is grey, go figure...

 

Hmmm, well I didn't say it was true in 100% of the cases. But I believe it to be true for quite a few. There are always grey's in anything but we ulitmately deterimine which way we slide.

 

 

 

PS Many disgusting individuals have never visited a hookers, and many perfectly normal guys have. How about that for discussion?

 

No one is saying that a man that visited a hooker is a disgusting or horrible person. It is however a huge turn off for many women. Just as it is a huge turn off for many men when a woman exploits a man just for his money.

[JamesM]

Well, I didn't read all of the posts, but I can say that about the only woman who has it right is Lizzie.

 

Having been a part of an escort board for a couple of years, I have a pretty good idea of what the men are like and what the women are like based on their online personalities. Granted, this was a small percentage of the population, and it was in the Midwest, but these were real men and women. And yes, it has been over two years ago, but I doubt things have changed that much.

 

Men do go to escorts for a variety of reasons. However, most want the GFE (Girl Friend Experience). This means that they want an escort to be as awesome in bed as the best girlfriend they ever had. She should not be a porn star (although some men look for the PSE), but instead she should treat her men as if he were her boyfriend. It is not about power as in dominance, but it is about a confidence boost. It is not about just sex, but it is about the feeling that "I can make a woman squirm and orgasm." These men want the feeling of being a man again.

 

The irony that they are paying a woman to make them feel like a man seems to slip by almost all of them. I am guessing that if they were single, this would not be considered much of a confidence boost.

 

And while may men do embellish their experiences, many do get to know the escorts prior to the "session." Take as an example if one of the women here who became friendly with one of the men here via PMs and email, then she offered to have sex with him for money. Not much different. So the connection personally is there as well as the incentive of money. The women feel a connection and the men have begun the fantasy prior to ever meeting the girl.

 

If you were a woman and you read of men spending thousands of dollars on escorts and they visit you, then wouldn't you do your best to convince him to see you again by giving your best performance? And then he would also type a good review for you on the board...hence attracting more clientele.

 

I cannot say from experiencing these women, but based on the reviews and PMs I received, many of the escorts are very good at what they do. While the wives may not want to admit it, their husbands are getting great sex elsewhere.

 

The sad part is that they are taking teh family money and spending it on "whores."

 

As for the men being lousy in bed, this again may console the women, but it is not always reality. While on the board, I met a angry GF via PMs. She PMed me due to my posts. I guess it was obvious that I was not a "client." Anyhow, she discovered her BF was visiting lots of escorts, and through his history, she found this board. (Yes, she was real). Funny thing is...her BF was actually married to another woman. Yep, SHE was the OW while her MM was also seeing escorts while on business trips. In her words, he was awesome in bed. I am guessing that many of these men make it their mission to have escorts think they are good. And if the guy is seeing lots of different women, either he will always have a selfish experience, or eventually he will want to please the women, too. Most men want the woman to be pleased...or at least act like it. (And yes, I know women can fake it). Since these men come back to the board to see other women, the women on these boards share experiences with these men.

 

I have to laugh at some of the responses here. Most men will not see a prostitute, because "thousands of other men" have been with her. Yet they have no qualms of seeing a women they just met at a bar....and they know nothing of her sex life. She may have been with three other men in the same week. Fact is...the professional escort will most likely be better protected and have more frequent checkups than some woman he met in the bar.

 

Most men who see prostitutes are ordinary men who either do it for the thrill or do it because they have no sex life at home. Most of these men are very ordinary and "normal." And these men could be your fellow workers, your friend's husband, and even your husband.

 

While it feels good to some how classify them as the scum of the earth, in reality, they are every day men who simply enjoy "the hobby."