Why do people still say men are intimidated by "successful" women?

[ipetree]

True, traditionally speaking. Of course, in return, the women give birth to and take care of the children. If/when the day comes when it's easy to have a child without a woman (say an artificial womb of some sort), men will be less interested in marrying and financially supporting women.

 

Exactly. If men do not want kids these days, there is no reason to marry.

 

But male gold diggers? Come on.. That's similar to saying their are male prostitutes for women.. While in both cases they exist, the number is so small it is not even worth mentioning.

[norajane]

I sense though that men don't think this way - they feel fine funding women's fancy handbags and such. Even enjoy serving that purpose.

 

Yes, and the men call it "providing" and diss women who can buy their own handbags because those women don't "need" men, instead of feeling all warm and fuzzy because said woman who can buy her own handbags chooses to be with him because she WANTS HIM rather than needing his cash.

[Woggle]

Yes, and the men call it "providing" and diss women who can buy their own handbags because those women don't "need" men, instead of feeling all warm and fuzzy because said woman who can buy her own handbags chooses to be with him because she WANTS HIM rather than needing his cash.

 

For the past 40 years feminists have been telling men we are useless now that women can provide for themselves so men try and maintain their worth by providing for a woman. Women have nobody but themselves to blame for this complex that some men have.

[orangehose]

 

But male gold diggers? Come on.. That's similar to saying their are male prostitutes for women.. While in both cases they exist, the number is so small it is not even worth mentioning.

 

Well, let me put it this way: guy meets chick who makes TONS more money than him. Being with her would enable him to live at an entirely different lifestyle, take great vacations, live in a nice house, buy cool cars... I can't imagine there aren't a few guys who would see this as a positive, rather than a negative. I agree, male gold-diggers are less common than female ones, and maybe less likely to overlook physical attributes, but golly gee, I now believe that they exist in a quite sizable quantity.

[ipetree]

Yes, and the men call it "providing" and diss women who can buy their own handbags because those women don't "need" men, instead of feeling all warm and fuzzy because said woman who can buy her own handbags chooses to be with him because she WANTS HIM rather than needing his cash.

 

WHAT? LOL

 

Lost you..I don't know of any men who are turned off by a woman with a job who would buy her own purse.

 

I have heard of many women complaining that "men are cheap".

[Woggle]

Male gold diggers do exist and there are more and more men cleaning out their exes in court. Props to them for doing to women what women do to us all the time.

[orangehose]

Male gold diggers do exist and there are more and more men cleaning out their exes in court. Props to them for doing to women what women do to us all the time.

 

Now that's equality

[Trialbyfire]

I now believe that they exist in a quite sizable quantity.

Yes, they do exist and more than most people think. Everyone has a price, men less than women.

[ipetree]

Well, let me put it this way: guy meets chick who makes TONS more money than him. Being with her would enable him to live at an entirely different lifestyle, take great vacations, live in a nice house, buy cool cars... I can't imagine there aren't a few guys who would see this as a positive, rather than a negative. I agree, male gold-diggers are less common than female ones, and maybe less likely to overlook physical attributes, but golly gee, I now believe that they exist in a quite sizable quantity.

 

Orange.. Huge difference..

 

Women value income, or a man's future earning potential, over almost everything. They disguise this by saying they want a man with a "status job", or a man that "can provide" etc.

 

To most men, the shape of a woman's ass is more important than her job or amount of money. If she is attractive and rich, then fine..

[norajane]

WHAT? LOL

 

Lost you..I don't know of any men who are turned off by a woman with a job who would buy her own purse.

 

I have heard of many women complaining that "men are cheap".

 

That's what this whole thread is about, isn't it? The OP started this thread because she's afraid that if she becomes successful in her own career, men won't be interested in her. Why is she afraid of this? Because with some men, it's true.

 

Not with all men, certainly. There are many who appreciate successful women. But there are some men who believe that successful women think men are no longer important since successful women can provide for themselves. As if the ONLY possible reason a woman could want a man is financial and that's all men have to offer!

 

Those men do themselves a disservice if they believe that - men are not just wallets, and women need and want men for far more than their money.

[orangehose]

Orange.. Huge difference..

 

Women value income, or a man's future earning potential, over almost everything. They disguise this by saying they want a man with a "status job", or a man that "can provide" etc.

 

To most men, the shape of a woman's ass is more important than her job or amount of money. If she is attractive and rich, then fine..

 

I used to think it was as black-and-white as you describe but the more I see in real-life, the more blurry things seem. Of course, yes, men value physical appearance more, women value income more. But in the real-world, I see far more couples of approximately equal educational and socioeconomic levels, leading me to believe the men have more criteria than butt-shape for long-term relationships.

 

Now, for a random hookup, butt-shape may be all that matters to a guy. But that's a different situation

[Woggle]

Men are not just wallets but that is exactly how the majority of women see us. To them we are walking wallets and sperm donors and nothing more.

[ipetree]

 

Not with all men, certainly. There are many who appreciate successful women. But there are some men who believe that successful women think men are no longer important since successful women can provide for themselves. As if the ONLY possible reason a woman could want a man is financial and that's all men have to offer!

 

 

Let me break it down..

 

 

Nice girl.. Men like..

 

Nice poor girl.. Men like

 

Nice successful girl... Men like

 

Nasty poor girl.. Men do not like

 

Nasty girl with "success" Men do not like.

 

Successful feminist type Men loathe.

[Trialbyfire]

Men are not just wallets but that is exactly how the majority of women see us. To them we are walking wallets and sperm donors and nothing more.

Don't devalue men so much. You also have something women don't have. We truly value this item!

[Isolde]

No reason to marry? What about two people falling in love?

 

Even if someone makes, say, $100K a year, people can't freely throw their money around in today's ****ty economy. Combining incomes still makes for a better lifestyle.

 

I have to say I'm shocked at the cynical attitudes many of you hold towards marriage/LTRs.

[ipetree]

Example...

 

Average man is told Angela Merkel wants you.. Hillary Clinton wants you.

Average man throws up.

 

Average woman is told... Bill Clinton wants you.. Their panties start dropping.. Why was Bill Clinton the most sexually fantasized about male a few years ago?

 

Men and women typically desire different things. Maybe the man with his similar social status average wife had no other choice. He worked with her, met her, they married.

 

That does not mean he would not rather have a 25 year old swimsuit model. He does not have that choice.. So he settled.

[orangehose]

To them we are walking wallets and sperm donors and nothing more.

 

Yeah, my mother has been a housewife for the entirety of her marriage, and while it's been a good marriage, I've sometimes wondered how my dad could stand to go to work every day while seeing her stay comfortably at home, shopping and napping. I dunno, if I were him, I'd want to see her pull her own weight at some point. But I'm meaner than he is.

 

Hats off to all those 'walking wallets'! I don't know how guys do it...

[Woggle]

No reason to marry? What about two people falling in love?

 

Even if someone makes, say, $100K a year, people can't freely throw their money around in today's ****ty economy. Combining incomes still makes for a better lifestyle.

 

I have to say I'm shocked at the cynical attitudes many of you hold towards marriage/LTRs.

 

It's reality not cynicism. Men and women don't even even like each other these days so love is out of the question.

[Isolde]

Example...

 

Average man is told Angela Merkel wants you.. Hillary Clinton wants you.

Average man throws up.

 

Average woman is told... Bill Clinton wants you.. Their panties start dropping.. Why was Bill Clinton the most sexually fantasized about male a few years ago?

 

Men and women typically desire different things. Maybe the man with his similar social status average wife had no other choice. He worked with her, met her, they married.

 

That does not mean he would not rather have a 25 year old swimsuit model. He does not have that choice.. So he settled.

 

You're speaking in gross generalizations.

[Isolde]

It's reality not cynicism. Men and women don't even even like each other these days so love is out of the question.

 

I like men very much. Speak for yourself.

[Woggle]

I like men very much. Speak for yourself.

 

You are the exception.

[orangehose]

 

Maybe the man with his similar social status average wife had no other choice. He worked with her, met her, they married.

 

That does not mean he would not rather have a 25 year old swimsuit model. He does not have that choice.. So he settled.

 

I would agree with you except that a lot of these men I'm referring to DO have other choices - they're in high status professions and they could easily marry a woman based purely on appearance. Instead, they compromise somewhat on looks in favor of educational / socioeconomic level.

 

Now, they still may cheat down the road, have a fling with a super-attractive young woman who throws herself at him. But as far as marriage goes, they still prefer a more educated woman to parade at the cocktail parties.

 

Look at your example of Bill Clinton; he married Hillary when he could have married a swimsuit model. Instead, he chose to marry her but cheat on her with less successful women. That's what I'm talking about here.

 

For an LTR: men seek a combination of looks, intelligence, personality.

For a hook-up / fling: more purely looks-based.

[ipetree]

 

Look at your example of Bill Clinton; he married Hillary when he could have married a swimsuit model. Instead, he chose to marry her but cheat on her with less successful women. That's what I'm talking about here.

 

For an LTR: men seek a combination of looks, intelligence, personality.

For a hook-up / fling: more purely looks-based.

 

When Bill married Hillary I have no idea of what was available to him.

 

But I agree, men seek the best combination that is available to them.

 

Will a woman's "success" land her a man in the same manner a man lands a woman by being successful? No. That successful woman typically wants a man that is more successful than her. As her clock is ticking she may lower her standards, but many times it is too late. She has aged, then she blames it on "men being intimidated by successful women.

[Isolde]

When Bill married Hillary I have no idea of what was available to him.

 

But I agree, men seek the best combination that is available to them.

 

Will a woman's "success" land her a man in the same manner a man lands a woman by being successful? No. That successful woman typically wants a man that is more successful than her. As her clock is ticking she may lower her standards, but many times it is too late. She has aged, then she blames it on "men being intimidated by successful women.

 

But Lewinsky was not attractive, which refutes part of your theory.

[Isolde]

In fact some of you are insulting men by assuming their desires can be summed up in a few sentences. Who knows what attracts one person to another, really?