eugene3 Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 Hello everyone....... I have a question.... has any one on here consulted in a tarot reading and if so did it come to pass as true?? I have for over the past year even before my awful breakup been talking to a tarot reader. I out of the many times talked to the reader have found it to be acurate most of the time. I have talked to many of them over time but there is a specific reader i found to be more acurate then the others. Latly i have been asking for readings about my ex and the situation i am in. She has told me things good and bad and most comes to pass as true. I before never believed in tarot readings but tis person without me telling her anything is very good. She tells me that her readings are just to guide me and help me evaluate my situation. Can i have peoples experiences and opinions on this please.
samspade Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 Stop wasting your time and money. If she could predict the future she'd be beyond wealthy and wouldn't need to waste time on suckers like you. If she's "just a guide," you can get guidance for free on forums like this, or from your friends, without all the bullshyt.
Sapphire_Phoenix Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 LOL samspade that is not entirely true. At a friends birthday party I had a psychic reading and much of what she described happening in my future has indeed come to pass. Intricate, specific details and issues she pinpointed have materialized into reality, there really is no other way to explain it, other than she was psychic. I am quite open minded though, I believe some people do have a gift such as this.
Geishawhelk Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 I have a good friend who is psychic but she uses tarot cards as a 'prop' or nudge, to focus on aspects of the person talking to her. But she doesn't use the cards as a means to an end... they're more an 'alert' - she doesn't lay them down in any specific order or design.... And she doesn't charge a single penny. She has a FT job. So she figures whatever she tells people already belongs to them. So why charge them money for something that's already theirs?
samspade Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 there really is no other way to explain it, There are plenty of ways to explain it, which I won't get into here. If you want to do this for novelty, that's one thing. But actually believing these people can see the future (and that a deck of cards somehow affects future events) shows an unwillingness to think critically, and a desire for some overriding force to be in control of one's life and destiny. So far as we know, you're in control of your life. NOT a deck of cards that anyone can buy at a dime store.
Konfuzion Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 I once saw a show on a guy who explained exactly how he tricked people into giving him information, and then he did a reading on one of the people he had just explained it all too, and she couldn't believe how accurate he was... And he then explained to her that she gave him all the information he needed.
Jilly Bean Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Eugene - I am a practicing Pagan, and use tarot as one of many methods to divine (it is my favorite and most responsive, however). I do think there are a great number of mediums, clairvoyants, readers, etc., who are very legitimate and excellent at their craft. Sounds like you may have found such a one. Conversely, there are many MORE who are total hacks, and do prey on people to "upsell" them into other services. WAY wrong and much like everything, you need to weed them out. To the poster who said if a tarot reader was that good, they would be hitting the lottery, er, no. A legitimate tarot reader is most probably also a witch (Pagan, Wiccan, etc.). A basic premise of witchcraft is that magic can never be harmful nor manipulative. A good witch would never use their powers to divine for their own manipulative gain. A bad one would, but then again, they are the ones who lack a true gift in this regard, so its kinda moot...
Sapphire_Phoenix Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 It just depends what you believe really. Some people, like myself, believe that their are things and occurrences in this world that cannot be explained by science alone.
Angel1111 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 I'm totally fascinated with the metaphysical world - but I'm also cautious about it. You just have to be careful who you choose. If you've found someone who is very accurate, she's probably worth your time. I love playing around with tarot cards, western astrology, vedic astrology, ruins - that kind of thing. But I stay away from witchcraft because I'm afraid I'd use it to my advantage and then it would backfire on me. So, no point for me because I'd end up jinxing myself. I once went to a tarot reader who told me that someone had cursed me and that was why I was having bad luck. She said that it would take seveal visits to undo this curse and that is would cost $200. This made a little sense because I felt pretty cursed, so when I got home, I did a search on the internet and found that this 'cursed' story is a ploy used by a lot of these 'hacks', as Jilly so accurately refers to them. So you've got to watch it.
Author eugene3 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 I until recently never believed in it myself... all the other readers before this one were not nearly close to being correct. It took me alot of time and money over a great period of time to find this good one. I think it has a lot to do with connecting with the person doing the readings and the time they have to do it. If you call a reader up and ask for questions to be answered and you give them 10 min your not getting much. I always gave them 30 min to a hour. This person i deal with now is pretty good. She says alot of true things and she refuses for me to tell her anything. If i buy 45 min with her and i have more questions she does not charge me and continues to read well over 45 min. I am a believer that the cards do hold some truth to things not everything but some things. I try not to believe everything that is being told to me. I recently asked her a question about my ex and she said she would be e-mailing or texting me on xmas to say hi and show she is thinging about me and i said no way and that this would be a huge test for the reader if it happend... I will keep you all posted. I am not saying she knows it all but its just guidence for me to give me possible situations and ideas and understanding.
samspade Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan. And, dammit, Eugene, this better not be about your ex with the ring. Because you don't need a sooth sayer, you need a kick in the a$$. I saw your other post about her, wondering if she still has feelings for you. You're slipping back into victimhood. That b*tch has your $14k engagement ring, and you're looking for insight from a deck of cards? These people are cold readers, they pump you for information and feed their generic extrapolations back to you. You, naively, will remember their "hits" and forget their "misses." There is always a chance this woman has some mystic power to predict the future, but until real, empirical data is compiled to support this notion, you should consider her a charlatan. Really....she told you your ex is "thinking about" you? And she'll text to say hello over the holidays? Did you ask her who is winning the Super Bowl in February? Or when the next terrorist attack is occurring? YOU control your destiny, eugene. You want novelty black magic to feel better, fine. Did she give you a definitive answer about when you're getting your ring back? Does she know it exists? Has it been sold? Can she tell you within $1K how much it's worth? (You may have already volunteered this information.)
BCCA Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 I used to spend countless amounts of $ on psyhics and tarrot card readers, thinking that they have answers and were telling me important info about the future. That is until I met a guy who told me he could teach me cold reading techniques that would shed some light into where tarrot readers 'info' was coming from. It was not only astounding, but sort of disgusting. Trust me, you gave them all the info you got back. All they did was put a positive twist on it (since one of the keys is tell people what they want to hear), regergitate it back to you as 'advice' and let your hopes do the rest. 90% of people calling psychics/tarrot readers are doing so after a break up or death to ask what to expect next. Look at what she told you: expect a call around xmas. Honestly, I dont even know you or your ex and I could have told you that there was a good chance you would hear from her around xmas. Also, take notice that the prediction is still 2 months away. It might sound like a trivial point, but its not - if you didnt hear from her in 2 months, the tarrot reader could point to things that have 'changed' and site them as the reason for her mistake. I can almost promise you'll get no predictions or things to look forward to that will supposedly happen within a week. Psychics and tarrot readers have been around for centuries because people need something to believe other than whats right in front of them. A lot of people I know have called several, and only think they found a 'good one' when they start hearing what they want to. I honestly think its all a sham.
LucreziaBorgia Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Tarot cards can be useful for helping yourself or someone else see sides to a situation and possibilities that they hadn't considered - and can, to some extent predict what may happen in a given situation depending on which choices you make - but... they can't "tell the future" in the way that con artist predators who want your money would have you believe. I've been reading them for myself and others (never, ever charged anything) for over twenty years. They make good guided meditation and a great way to look at problems and situations from other angles. They are not magic. They are not miracle. They are simply visual tools to help sort mental and emotional processes. People who have the ability to think holistically and objectively have an easier time reading them. People who have the ability to cold read and scam have an easy time taking your money.
samspade Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 They make good guided meditation and a great way to look at problems and situations from other angles. They are not magic. They are not miracle. You are watering down the claims of tarot readers to make them sound more professional and less suspect to an audience of skeptics. And, while I admire that you don't charge, most tarot readers do. Perhaps you can teach eugene your trade so he is at least only wasting his time and not his money. Maybe they don't purport to be "magic" or a miracle. But they make supernatural claims. If these people want to offer simple guidance, why don't they just become counselors? They are, by trade, fortune tellers. It's fine if you want to meditate over these cards, but it's a genuine ripoff for a tarot reader to take someone's money because he has the expectation that the reader will see into the future. I have friends who can help me see different sides and angles, and who "to some extent" can predict "what may happen" in a given situation. I don't need to pay someone to do this. I used to work on a show hosted by a relatively-famous psychic, who claimed to speak with the dead. He used the same techniques that BCCA describes. It's one of the oldest scams in history, but hey, there's a sucker born every minute. Some people reason, "well what's the harm, if it makes the mark FEEL better and gives him hope?" The harm is that it is disingenuous to make claims of clairvoyance to vulnerable people, let alone take their money. I know it's not a good feeling knowing that what you've believed in is bunk, but you're not the first to fall prey to this. The great thing about this country is you're free to believe in whatever hocus pocus you want to. You're also free to think critically and empirically, and demand extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims. Again: What rational explanation is there that a stranger with a deck of cards with pictures on them can reveal any truths about your future that you can't discover on your own?
LucreziaBorgia Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Again: What rational explanation is there that a stranger with a deck of cards with pictures on them can reveal any truths about your future that you can't discover on your own? There is bunk everywhere - some is simple, others more complex. The bottom line is that everything you could want to know and predict is locked in your own noggin. People pick different props to pick that lock. Some choose cards, others choose psychotropic drugs, others choose shrinks, still others choose priests, and more than a few turn to science. Who is to say one prop is any better or any more valid than another? All the props and all the evidence to support any given prop is created by and interpreted by humans, to explain and justify at will. We can test theories, but against what really? Our interpretations of reality. I can only speak for myself and what I believe - and I don't happen to believe any one particular thing when it comes to the cards - just that they can be helpful under the right circumstances.
Author eugene3 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 Lol....thank you both for your thoughts. Samspade i am with you in not believing in this tarot stuff but she was pretty good in knowing things she could have never known of me. I have come a long way from this past march when she broke it off and today it still hurts but its fading fast. I feel i was not given a fair part in her calling it quits. She keeps claiming she did it for hers and mine well being that it would have never lasted. She said her friends don't like me and i hardly know them and as well as her family... but you know whats funny i was close with her family and if they did not like me they sure put on a believable happy face everyday. When she broke it off her friends consoled her to leave me and bought her books to help her heal from hurting over me.... over time her love for me faded until its no more. You don't love somone like she claims to have loved me then months later she " feels different" and "people change" is how she put it. She is not coming back to me that i promise and at the most she might call me one day to see how i am doing and thats not what i want. She thinks she did us a favor and that we wold notlive a happy life. I on the other hand wanted to work things out and try but she denied, and why i think from day one she feel out of love for me but did not know either how to tell me or was confused with her feelings. Everytime i saw her she brought up all the bad things that happened and never good things and i said we have many more good then bad and she said she does not think so. It takes two and she did things wrong as well but who is to blame yes me. I never in a million years would think i would be feeling this way and she would not love me anymore. Out of all the people on this site i am different and i will tell you why.... I know she is forever gone and there is no chance in hell she will come back. Reasons why...she told me with her own words " give up hope" " i am not coming back to you" She live 5 hours away very hard to make things better... her friends have there hands in this as well as her family.. i am out numbered and when ever she would have ( if she ever did or would) feel like she missed me she would have all these people and issues to deal with and to asure her its nto meant to be. She actually feels there is a soulmate out there for her and she is going to find him. My issue and always has been from day one is i just can't understand how easy she made it seem to walk away and how cold she is to me but cried to have a engagement ring back that means nothing as she said when we are no longer engaged. She makes me and everyone feel that this had to happen for her to live a happy life because she would not if it was with me. We never tried to fix our issues when they were happening so they continued on until she blew up and could not take anymore. Say what you both want but i loved her and even at age 28 she was the most amazing girl i ever met and she did treat me good. She did not leave me for another man she left me because it was for her best interest and i respect her for that. What i do not respect is involving family and friends to help her make a choice when they were not envolved in every aspect of our lives..... not trying to work thinsg out or even evaluate whats going on. Let her hang on to the ring samspade... it is going to only make it harder to give it back as time passes by. I am not forcing the ring issue at this time for ( me) because i am exhausted with all this drama. I need a break i need to heal and if it takes a full year then ok but when i am ready i will gather my ring back and its not going to be nice.I got a good feeling she is not going to give it up without a fight. ..................Lucrezia???? could you do a reading for me tonight or another time?????? if so please e-mail me at my address at [email protected] A little insight would really help
LucreziaBorgia Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 i just can't understand how easy she made it seem to walk away and how cold she is to me but cried to have a engagement ring back that means nothing as she said when we are no longer engaged. No need for the cards on this one. I can tell you pretty much point blank without them. She made it seem easy to walk away, because she had most likely been going through an internal break up process for months and months before she even mentioned breaking up. People tend to do that. They fall out of love at a pace that is emotionally comfortable for themselves, and when they reach the point where they are ready to let go - they simply let go. Unfortunately, it seems to come out of nowhere, and when they walk away it is as if a cold and uncaring stranger hijacked the person you knew. Like a switch flipped, I hear it said way too often here. She didn't tell you what was happening all of those months prior to breaking up. Why? Because telling you would interfere with her decision to continue falling out of love. She wanted to disengage herself fully before dropping it on you. In the meantime, it isn't likely you noticed much, though in retrospect if you go back and really examine the six months leading up to the breakup, you may see those subtle things or you may not. People who are willfully falling out of love may really pour on the charm in an effort to keep you from realizing what is going on. During the time they are disengaging, they are going through their own grief at letting the love die. By the time you see evidence of this, it is already over and they are already over their grief as well. That is why it seems like an ex can break up with you one week and be with someone else the next. Its because in their mind and heart, they broke up with you and got over it months before letting you know it happened. They are ready to move on by the time they break up with you. Will she come back? Not likely. Why did she keep the ring? Could be any number of reasons, none of which are probably sentimental. I'd be considering getting that ring back pronto, even if you have to undertake legal means to do so. You can always arrange to have it insured and shipped to you and you won't even have to go see her.
Author eugene3 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 Well done! I am asking you from the bottom of my heart for a reading with you. I have read alot of your postings on here and to say the least i am intrigued. You speak very goog logic and all is realalistic. Please give me a reading.
samspade Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Lucrezia and I disagree about the cards, but she is right on the money with your ex, Eugene. What men often don't realize is how long a break-up takes for a female. Internally it's festering for weeks. By the time the woman breaks up with you out loud, she's already moved on. Some women have even already found other men by this time so they can rebound easily and resist desperate pleas from their ex. This is why, as a man, you need to learn from this. This will help you a) behave in a manner that is less likely to diminish a woman's interest, or b) if she starts losing interest, recognize the signs and start making break up preparations of your own. This is not a matter of who gets hand over whom; rather, you just need to be conscious (but not paranoid) of these things so you can protect your heart. At the very LEAST, if you are dumped again, you will be able to summon the power to walk away with dignity, so you don't wind up in another situation where you lose a large monetary asset because you weren't thinking straight. You can go and lick your wounds in private, but when someone breaks up with you, the only option for you should be to agree with the decision, stay calm, and walk away. So, for whatever reason you have to entertain tarot cards (which I'm still against but it's your life), you still are in control of your destiny and livelihood. Even the tarot reader will tell you this. You have work to do, Eugene. You haven't been serving yourself, and neither have your relationships. Just be happy you dodged a bullet with that slut, because if she had married you, it wouldn't take a tarot card to tell you that she'd be out cheating and then ready to divorce your as$ in five years. Now get your ring back.
Author eugene3 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Posted October 28, 2008 You two are the best logical understanding people on here. Samspade you couldn't have said it any better.... My actions deminished her interest.. so true.. but i was caught up with catching heat from all angle's, starting with her mom and the mother then passed the heat on to everyone else. I could have handled things better but there is nothing i can say or do to change what has happened. I might have thought how i was acting was going to make things better... my anger from it all was merly protection for my self. When hearts get hurt most women cry and most men show anger. I showed anger.. i took what her mom was doing to me on my ex and the same with all her famly. I lost!!!! Nothing would cure my soul then to have her back again. She could not have been any more clear and sinsere when she ended it. Is it possible and and lucreziaborgia could e-mail me you addresses??? I wanted to share a few e-mails with you but only with you two and i will explain then why. [email protected]
BCCA Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 lucreziaborgia/sam really solid posts! One thing I want to add, and I think I already mentioned, is that you should really take a look at this book: http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com/ If you read over just the notes about ths book, you'll see that falling into the 'nice guy' role does a lot of harm to yourself and any relationships youre in. Youll constantly find yourself in relationships that are less than satisfactory, dont have great sex, and where you are constantly seeking approval from the other person.
Lizzie60 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Hello everyone....... I have a question.... has any one on here consulted in a tarot reading and if so did it come to pass as true?? I have for over the past year even before my awful breakup been talking to a tarot reader. I out of the many times talked to the reader have found it to be acurate most of the time. I have talked to many of them over time but there is a specific reader i found to be more acurate then the others. Latly i have been asking for readings about my ex and the situation i am in. She has told me things good and bad and most comes to pass as true. I before never believed in tarot readings but tis person without me telling her anything is very good. She tells me that her readings are just to guide me and help me evaluate my situation. Can i have peoples experiences and opinions on this please. Come on.. you got to be kidding!!!! this is total BS.. gosh I can't believe people are still believing in that cr*p..
samspade Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Nothing would cure my soul then to have her back again. You have much work to do. This will not cure you! Neither will tarot cards!
dead-dyke Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 samspades writing style matches his name: gunslinger. Oh yeah, and Lizzie60 has hot legs. Eugene, try those internet card thingys.
LucreziaBorgia Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I'm telling you Eugene. You don't need cards at this point. It would really help you to find a way to move on, and not continue to look for any wisp of hope in this situation. It would be more cruel to feed you false hope at this point, than it would to just say that you need to dig deep down and try to find a way to let go.
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