Sks Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 First of all, we are not different species, we are one! Secondly, genetic engineers also make hybryds of different species to get the advantage of both. That's actually the fastest way for a sub-group to die off - lack of variety in genes! Different breeds, perhaps is a more accurate term, each breed evolved to be best at living under certain conditions. Genetic engineers will find out nature did a better job then they ever could or will be able to do. You are correct to say if the group is too genetically similar certain problems can occur, but that is not currently the case.
Author 10000BC Posted October 6, 2008 Author Posted October 6, 2008 OMG How did my thread turn into this?? I remember this talk show on TV when they interviewed a white supremacist, who said exactly the same things... "No I respect the African race, but they should all move away back to Africa" OKay, time for school
Shygirl15 Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 If someone doesn't want to date someone else because of their race or ethnicty, religion then that is their prerogative. I don't think they should be called a racist. I agree with this. Unfortunately, somehow Asian (males) are at a disadvantage when it comes to the dating games. Their women are rapidly dating caucasians and blacks these days. Very rarely, I would see an asian male with a black woman. It's almost impossible to see an asia male with a caucasian woman. I'm not sure what other options they are left with.
Shygirl15 Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 I don't believe every race is the same and I am guilty of making generalties in my mind when I see a girl of a certain race. But the fact is hot is hot. I'm not particularly into black girls for the most part but some times I'll see a super hot black chick that is way hotter then the white chicks around. For the most part I like white chicks the best. But as a guy if your tall and attractive you should be able to walk up to these white chicks you like and just blow past all there objections. Have the same views, but in reverse (both gender and race)..lol
IcemanJB Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 If someone doesn't want to date someone else because of their race or ethnicty, religion then that is their prerogative. I don't think they should be called a racist. I agree as well. It's preference, NOT racism. I like darker hair, dark eyes, but lighter skin. You don't find much of that in northern Europe, where my ancestors come from. I'm not sure SKS has a great argument though; each current race could probably be a descendant of multiple ancient races. So interracial mating could just eventually create another "race". See my point?
Author 10000BC Posted October 6, 2008 Author Posted October 6, 2008 If you cross people out ONLY because of RACE...how does that NOT make you prejudiced???
Stockalone Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 If you cross people out ONLY because of RACE...how does that NOT make you prejudiced??? I would think that most of us have preferences that limit who we date because of superficial reasons. We date people we are attracted to. Some women only date guys who are 6 feet or taller. Some men only date women with large breasts. Most people aren't attracted to obese people. The colour of your skin is merely another one of those preferences. Attraction is simply not affected by political correctness, we aren't all equals in the dating world. Personally, I am not attracted to petite women. I am also not attracted to asian women or women with dark skin. Maybe it's the lack of exposure. Where I live, there aren't many women who aren't caucasian.
Jaytb Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 the problem with wanting genetic purity is genetic diseases. Dating within only a certain group will ensure genetic homogeneity and recessive genetic diseases are far more likely in homogeneous groups. For instance, Tay-Sachs disease occurs mainly in Ashkenazi Jews, and Tay-Sachs is recessive and requires both the father and mother to be carriers. An Ashkenazi Jew will significantly decrease the risk of passing on this disease if he or she dates outside of his or her group. Also consider the fact that the Spanish monarchy nearly died out due to inbreeding, they, just like some people here, wanted to preserve their "purity" and so of course they kept a close bloodline. Anyways, preserving cultural heritage is great, but in America, we actually don't have much of a cultural heritage. Europe has thousands of years of history but Americans do not, except Native Americans. (also consider how Europeans have already destroyed thousands of cultures and more are dying each day, not due to outbreeding, but the cultural, and increasngly, linguistic, homogeneity that we see in the world today) So the fact is, you can't preserve culture by inbreeding, frankly it seems we can only preserve culture through history and learning about that culture.
flc Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Two threads going on here. First people date who they are attracted to, as has been said over and again. Who you are attracted to can be influenced by many things including racism. But dating only inside your race may not be driven by racism nor should it in and of itself be racism, unless you take a very literal definition. Now the whole thing about race purity is absolute 1930's nonsense. Races exists due to evolution and natural selection that was driven by environmental conditions. Remove the environmental conditions through globalization and there is no longer evolutionary pressure to preserve these traits. Currently race is only being preserved by cultural pressure, there is no biological or physical reason for races to continue to exist. So from a biological perspective a homogeneous population is the obvious outcome.
Trialbyfire Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 If you cross people out ONLY because of RACE...how does that NOT make you prejudiced??? THAT is what bothers me so much about this. It's truly racism, the need to keep bloodlines pure due to superficial differences. Racial purity is a joke, when applied to caucasians. What was once Arian nation purity, is now, European homogeny. Even when it was Arian nation purity and in many ways it still is, it's a joke. If you consider how many Arian nation supporters have other bloodlines intermixed into them, it's ridiculous. Also, the human race has much shame to live down, if ever, the attrocities committed in the name of racial purity. It makes me sick to my stomach. It really does.
Stockalone Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 THAT is what bothers me so much about this. It's truly racism, the need to keep bloodlines pure due to superficial differences. Racial purity is a joke, when applied to caucasians. What was once Arian nation purity, is now, European homogeny. Even when it was Arian nation purity and in many ways it still is, it's a joke. If you consider how many Arian nation supporters have other bloodlines intermixed into them, it's ridiculous. Also, the human race has much shame to live down, if ever, the attrocities committed in the name of racial purity. It makes me sick to my stomach. It really does. If it is meant as "I won't date you because you and/or your genes are inferior", then yes, it is racism. If it is meant as "I won't date you because black, brown, purple, white or yellow skin doesn't do anything for me", then it is not racism.
Trialbyfire Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Stock, 21st century racism is insiduously manipulative. Its had to go underground due to the climate of non-acceptance. I sincerely hope you haven't bought into the same load of crap that sks has done and is promoting. I want to believe you're smarter than that.
Sks Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Stock, 21st century racism is insiduously manipulative. Its had to go underground due to the climate of non-acceptance. I sincerely hope you haven't bought into the same load of crap that sks has done and is promoting. I want to believe you're smarter than that. You simply can't accept that many of us like the differences in our race's, and want to preserve them.
Krajt Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Those people who say "there is no such thing as race" and then cry racist to someone are people who make me shake my head. What an oxymoron that is.
Vertex Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 I see absolutely nothing wrong with having a racial preference when it comes to dating. What if someone dislikes me because of my hair? Am I going to call them "hairist"? What about if someone isn't turned on because of someone's height? Are they "vertically prejudiced"? What if someone doesn't share the same interests as me? Would I, then, be a "hobby bigot"? How is rejecting someone based on their skin any different from rejecting someone based on some other attribute? Race, to me, is no different. It's simply a preference. However, the line between racial preference and "racism" is not so clear to many. I think "racism" here is a negative term that carries other connotations that a "negative preference" would lack. Racism: "I don't like that person because they're of the ________ race. I think those people are stupid, cause too many problems in society, etc." Preference: "Eh, I'm just more attracted to _______ hair and ______ skin." Obviously, the "racist" formulation is more offensive and makes assumptions that may not be true. I personally find Asian women to be extremely attractive, but only because I am interested in the culture and because I love long/dark/straight hair and dark eyes. Now, that also means I'd find a white/Indian/etc girl attractive if they, too, had similar features. It's just that those features tend to be more prominent in Asian women, and, as a result, I find myself more attracted to Asians.
Sks Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 I'm not sure SKS has a great argument though; each current race could probably be a descendant of multiple ancient races. So interracial mating could just eventually create another "race". See my point? You are correct, I don't really have a problem with interracial mating as long as healthy populations from each individual race are maintained. There is nothing wrong with preserving what you are, it simply means you care about the past - it is conservation.
Vertex Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 I think, as people, we naturally get offended if someone has a certain disgust or lack of preference for some prominent trait we possess. We cry out against race because it's a trait that is more largely shared, and because so many horrible things have been done for the sake of racial purity. Even when it comes down to associations... it is more acceptable for me to say "I reject this person because they didn't go to school. They must be lazy/not too bright/not driven" than it is for me to say "I reject this person because their race is associated with X, Y, and Z." It's just that race is more "tightly bound to one's being" and so to reject on race is to essentially reject on a vast number of assumptions that may be entirely false. Sks: I don't quite understand your view but I haven't read the whole thread, either. Say you have initial populations A, B, and C, all with, say, a million people each. Each population is of a different race and are, initially, pure. What would you "ideally" like to have happen over time and why?
Sks Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Sks: I don't quite understand your view but I haven't read the whole thread, either. Say you have initial populations A, B, and C, all with, say, a million people each. Each population is of a different race and are, initially, pure. What would you "ideally" like to have happen over time and why? 70% sticks to itself, 30% does what it ever wants. That way both unique culture and genetics of each group are preserved and remain prominent in what-ever area they live in. Look at the different dog breeds, it took a long time for them to develop - with specific traits and personalities. I personally own a mutt which I got from the pound, but that does not mean I want the unique breeds my dog originated from destroyed. I like the variety and I wish to keep that variety present, I do not wish for all dogs to breed together and lose their diversity. That doesn't mean I hate my dog, but it means I realize the unique differences and want to preserve them.
Vertex Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Heh, perhaps a relevant slice of comedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR3wGlRcUKo "You can run from us now... but sooner or later, we're gonna hump you!"
porter218 Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 That's actually the fastest way for a sub-group to die off - lack of variety in genes! I am so glad someone finally pointed this out. I met with a genetic counselor just a week ago to discuss my current pregnancy. I like to always know every possible thing that could go wrong in my pregnancy and then rule them out 1 by 1. She looked into my family tree and my Hs. The first thing she said to us is that because our child is from such a mixed gene pool( Italian, Swedish, Black, American Indian, and a few others) that there is almost no chance of her having any genetic defects. SKS is starting to sound like he wants people to marry their cousins in order to preserve a race or a certain look. Well then you will run higher risks for health problems, but whatever, to each their own. I do to some extent understand wanting to keep many different 'looks' around, but truthfully how your children look is just a cr@pshoot. I am 3/4 Italian and 1/4 swedish but I came out looking 100% swedish and one of my brothers came out looking 100% Southern Italian. And even though my son is 1/2 black and 1/2 white most people who don't know his father mistake him for being white. \And to the OP...My boss is Asian and her H is white and they have some of the prettiest little girls I have ever seen in my life. One is Blond haired with hazel eyes and model beautiful. I think perhaps you are just living in the wrong area. Where I live asian/white couples are very common place.
All Star Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Well, I mean, look, 100 years ago. It was considered just as taboo to date someone who isn't Northern-European/Anglo-Saxon... Meaning a white person from Greece, italy, Eastern Europe, Spain were treated like **** and with contempt because they either had darker skin colors, or because they were considered sub-human inferiors. But look at what happens now. Do you consider an Italian-American marrying an English-American taboo? NO! I would guess that your problem goes deeper than who is there availbale at your school for you to date. I would bet that you have subscribed to societies idea of the blond hair blue eyed beauty. I find that a lot of asians seem to try to cater to white people and I would guess that this is you doing the same and somehow being able to date white women you feel gives you status. I hope they don't date you and you find a beautiful asian woman. I have always been proud of how asian men stay with asian women for the most part. Asian women ar esome of the most beatiful women in the world. Know that.
porter218 Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Where do you live? If you are referring to me...The eastern US. We have a lot of Asians who go to the Universities to study medicine and do research in this area. A large number of them marry caucasians. I have seen so many asain/white couples since I was a child that I didn't even know their was an issue any where else with that.
All Star Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 If you are referring to me...The eastern US. We have a lot of Asians who go to the Universities to study medicine and do research in this area. A large number of them marry caucasians. I have seen so many asain/white couples since I was a child that I didn't even know their was an issue any where else with that. But for the most part you will not see many asian men marrying interracially. In most races you will find that although they may marry out side of their race, the dominant or strongest gender (i.e black women, white men, asian men, hispanic men) in the race marries within their own race. The weakest gender of the races i.e. white women, black men, asian women, hispanic women, will marry outside of their race. I'm no racist. This is just something I have noticed.
All Star Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 As a matter of fact, there is an IT guy here who is asian. He is drop dead beautiful and we all flirt with him all day long. He just laughs at us. He laughs at the white girls and the black ones. As a proud asian man, he's not going there. I've only ever seen him with asian women!
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