Bells Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 Every so often I see women in personal ads and other scenarios..they are under some sort of false impression men intimidated by independent women. Ever hear of an independent "person" in general? I guess it's just because it's expected. I am a male, age 36, I've been independent adult male all my life. I guess it's expected...but for some reason, I am not all that impressed by an independent woman, I really don't see what the big deal is. Anyone?
TigerCub Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 Well I don't see it as a major accomplishment when someone is independent because most of us should be. All adults without mental/physical ailments should be self reliant. But as for men being intimidated by independent women - I think that could be true with SOME men, everyone's got their issues and we're not all the same in what we're comfortable with.
Shygirl15 Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 So what are you impressed with? Dependent women?
TigerCub Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 So what are you impressed with? Dependent women? I think he might have meant that its just expected of people to be independent, therefore its not a huge accomplishment when they are - beacause they should be... p.s. I just wanted to say that you could be my parent cuz you're a tiger and I'm a cub (its silly, I know, but I just had to say it)
Shygirl15 Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 p.s. I just wanted to say that you could be my parent cuz you're a tiger and I'm a cub (its silly, I know, but I just had to say it) :laugh: That's an interesting observation!
Trialbyfire Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 So Bells, once again, why does this bother you?
Final Girl Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 Bells I'll tell you what I think! I think you are a misogynist...every post pretty much you have written, has been insulting towards women in some way. I think you have come to a site that is supportive, and hope you won't be considered 'not the norm' here...but i for one think you are deeply disturbed, and quite bad!!!! You are rather nasty IMO!! A flawed man, who takes his anger out on women, like sooo many of your kind.
pretty professional Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 I don't think they are intimidated by career success in women. They are intimidated by very attractive women who might be out of their league and might very well have a boyfriend. So it is intimidating to approach a woman in those circumstances.
Krajt Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 Bells, independent women are the best kind of women. Hassle free women, are the best kind of women. I think everyone should be independent when they enter adulthood, regardless of gender. I like how FG fights misogynistic comments with misandry. That will sure show, Bells!
Krajt Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 I don't think they are intimidated by career success in women. They are intimidated by very attractive women who might be out of their league and might very well have a boyfriend. So it is intimidating to approach a woman in those circumstances. You're right, but you are also wrong, a lot of men feel intimidated by women who earn more than they do.
pretty professional Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 I haven't felt that in my dating/relationship experiences.
Krajt Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 I haven't felt that in my dating/relationship experiences. Unfortunately for you, you aren't the only person in the world, a lot of men do feel intimidated by a woman who is more successful than they are and is earning more income.
Isolde Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 I completely agree with you. People are born "alone" and die "alone", if not physically, then spiritually. Independence is the natural state of man. In love, independence should remain; co-dependence is never a loving thing.
Krajt Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 I completely agree with you. People are born "alone" and die "alone", if not physically, then spiritually. Independence is the natural state of man. In love, independence should remain; co-dependence is never a loving thing. You're so intelligent and wise, is your faith in men still devout?
Isolde Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Not wise, just used to not being in a relationship.
vonerik012 Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 If you ask me.. I think many women are not very lucky in the dating world, as they have no idea of how to treat a man. So, to justify this, they proclaim "Men are intimidated by independent women!" It makes them feel better. Of course it is a silly statement. I wonder if they want extra points for being able to take care of themselves? Also, being independent is not correlated with your salary. Some women might earn a decent wage, but are still reliant on their parents to help them, due to debt, school loans, car payments, mortgage payments etc. Why join a dating site to proclaim your "independence"?. I mean, why even state that? It should be a given.
OpenBook Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Unfortunately for you, you aren't the only person in the world, a lot of men do feel intimidated by a woman who is more successful than they are and is earning more income. Older men tend to feel this way... but not the younger ones!! :bunny: There IS hope for mankind.
Author Bells Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 If you ask me.. I think many women are not very lucky in the dating world, as they have no idea of how to treat a man. So, to justify this, they proclaim "Men are intimidated by independent women!" It makes them feel better. Yeah, I sometimes wonder if this is a cover up for the real reason.
vonerik012 Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Independent? I am guessing that means they have a job, and can pay their own bills.. Wow, I am soo intimidated!!! lol
Author Bells Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 Independent? I am guessing that means they have a job, and can pay their own bills.. Wow, I am soo intimidated!!! lol Yeah...such an accomplishment.
Geishawhelk Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 It all went horribly wrong in the 60's. Up until then, roles were pretty much defined, and a lady knew where she was with a gentleman. Mr Darcy would call and present his visiting card, and ladies had chaperones...... Fast Forward to the 30's and 40's and we start hearing about suffragettes, emancipation and shorter frocks..... Come the end of the war, and it all became a hooping great minefield, because the Ladies - given jobs in factories, in engineering, industry, agriculture and in haulage, were not so keen to suddenly abdicate it all, and give it all back up for the boys coming home. The war may have done much to alter the face of Europe, the world and the economy, but less obvious changes - in the work-place and the home - were also taking place. And then, the sixties. The Pill. Equality. Fair Pay. Burn the bra! And since then, the edges have become blurred. The roles that men filled for countless centuries were being fought for - and won - by women, determined to prove that they could out-men the men, and beat them at their own games. Simultaneously, women sought better maternity conditions, allowances for family life, and demanding of their men-folk that they take over and perform some of the tasks hitherto traditionally ascribed to women. (Have you noticed, incidentally how many public toilets offer nappy changing facilities in ladies' loos only? How's a dad to change his baby's nappy if he's out on his own with the poopy little mite....?) So this fandango about Men being intimidated by women, has a point, if only to demonstrate that some men simply don't know how their roles are defined any longer, and some women believe that in order to get ahead in this world, they have to lose all sense of femininity and be a woman in a man's world, chew 'em up, spit 'em out, out-drink, out-drive and out-deal them and crush them underfoot. Which is horribly, sadly and tragically wrong. Of course, the above is extremely generalised. Some men admire 'strong' women. (But here, we'd have to ask them what their personal definition of 'strong' is.) Some men, on the other hand, do like a quiet, shy, reserved and un-opinionated lady at their side..... Women tend to prefer a man who knows his mind, is relatively ambitious, has a good sense of humour, and who respects her. However, no woman I know actively seeks a meek, submissive timid and retiscent man.
Woggle Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Most men love a woman who has true independence but women who constantly go on about how independent they are are a major red flag. Usually it is just a cover up for a nasty attitude that renders her intolerable to be around and these women are usually misandrists who are hostile to men in general. What man wants to subject himself to that?
vonerik012 Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Woggle exactly!!! The problem is many women confuse "independence" with being nasty, bossy, controlling, argumentative, and acting like "know it alls". These are the women who say men are afraid of independent women. Since taking care of themselves does not come naturally, they have to overcompensate by thinking they need to "act" in some ugly, domineering fashion. Men love women who simply have a job, pay their bills, and take it all in stride. That is called being a normal adult. If some women feel this is somehow some special form of "independence" that turns men off, it would be a huge red flag.
Author Bells Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 Most men love a woman who has true independence but women who constantly go on about how independent they are are a major red flag. Usually it is just a cover up for a nasty attitude that renders her intolerable to be around and these women are usually misandrists who are hostile to men in general. What man wants to subject himself to that? YEs, they sometimes have this saying...some quote I saw on a T-shirt...about confusing *itches with an independent woman". Men think some of these women are *itches, which is more than likely true...but some women cover it up with, "No, we're just indepedent" or "you don't like strong women".
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