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[Eve]

but I think aged 21 people would frown upon it or laugh at me. Maybe punch me in the stomach, spit on me and gauge my hair out.

 

I am unsure if you are actually being serious.. I dont get American humour sometimes. Its just not .. cynical enough for my tastes. Advice to volunteer should cross any cross cultural differences here. Volunteering would allow ample room to decide if you have the stomach and heart to walk a mile in someone elses shoes. Academia is a means to remain informed of the latest theories, so I would always support study. The main thing really is being able to truly listen and understand and work with the fact that most communication is non verbal and so one must have the ability to pick up on inferences. Mostly though it is about giving time as people work out their position in life. The UK is VERY different to the US in terms that most counselling and support agencies are now working towards seeing people as being the 'experts' of their situation and finding ways to facilitate 'resilience'. To be frank, the US seems to kill everyone they dont like or use them as commodities.. shocking stuff!

 

I would say that there are many places which could use your help but please consider carefully your reasons for wanting to help beforehand..

[Isolde]

I'm going to have to agree with KMT on this one. I doubt the only reason someone would choose this line of work is because they were abused or drug addicts (especially the higher end escort types). Some women have weird attitudes towards sex, just like some men do.

[Krajt]

I am unsure if you are actually being serious.. I dont get American humour sometimes. Its just not .. cynical enough for my tastes. Advice to volunteer should cross any cross cultural differences here. Volunteering would allow ample room to decide if you have the stomach and heart to walk a mile in someone elses shoes. Academia is a means to remain informed of the latest theories, so I would always support study. The main thing really is being able to truly listen and understand and work with the fact that most communication is non verbal and so one must have the ability to pick up on inferences. Mostly though it is about giving time as people work out their position in life. The UK is VERY different to the US in terms that most counselling and support agencies are now working towards seeing people as being the 'experts' of their situation and finding ways to facilitate 'resilience'. To be frank, the US seems to kill everyone they dont like or use them as commodities.. shocking stuff!

 

I would say that there are many places which could use your help but please consider carefully your reasons for wanting to help beforehand..

 

Call me an American one more time...I'm Dutch!

[Eve]

I doubt the only

 

Just to clarify before I leave you to your talk that I stated initially that 'many' of the persons involved in prostitution are involved in the trade due to the reasons I supplied. I know that this post is somewhat anal but I dont make sweeping statements as a rule and wish to point this out. Mostly because I dont think that we have any exclusive reasons for involvement in trades such as the sex industry but cannot ignore the most quoted, measured and presently relevant topics. Anyhow, I do not have access to your (US) info, in the UK I usually access Home Office stats but this is not relevant within this discussion.

 

Basically, I am new here and did not realise that the comments being made were serious so I am bowing out of this conversation. Essentailly, I have no use for it in any way shape or form and shall remain focused on providing means for persons to leave trades such as the sex industry as I do not believe that I can justly fight against it or its proponents. I will be there for those who are ready to leave... This is enough..

 

Take care xx

[Eve]

I'm Dutch!

 

Ha! Apologies..

[RecordProducer]

I understand that you are having a joke and I realy dont mean to stop all of that. I just wanted to say that many of the prostitutes who I work with are really nice people who have fallen by the wayside usually because of early sexual abuse, or to feed drug habits. I have never met a prostitute who has chosen her career path with a clear head.

 

I really enjoy working with prostitutes who want to turn their lives around. Its great seeing people develop authentic ways of living in this sometimes cruel and unforgiving world.

I am not sure if you work with a randomly chosen sample of prostitutes or only with those who want to change their lives around (e.g. those who seek counseling). Also, I am not sure how honest they are with you, as well as how nice they really are. I don't think they aren't nice, but they are not being nice to themselves. I don't think you can be surrounded by people who use you and abuse you on a daily basis - and preserve integrity.

 

Lizzie, what you are describing is not the kind of hookers we are discussing here. You are talking about a woman who chooses her partners for sex and simply asks them to give her money.

[fral945]

Hookers have a bad reputation but they're not all low class, out on the streets, taking drugs, etc.... this is a misconception..

 

Some have a good paying job, do not smoke or take drugs.. are clean.. they do it because they enjoy sex and, the most important, they get to choose their partners... it's a nice paying 'hobby'...

 

Definitely. High end hookers (i.e., escorts) take care of themselves and their bodies because that's how they earn their living. They get checked regularly for STD's, plus they can pick and choose their customers, so the good ones usually find a few regulars and don't screw just any guy.

 

I think you could argue the higher end escorts are probably safer (as far as STD's go) than the average girl you'd meet in a club or bar.

[Green]

havn't the Dutch legalized Hookers hookers HOOOKErs. Next time I spot a hooker I'm going to make a wish

[RecordProducer]

They get checked regularly for STD's

I never understood how "getting checked regularly" makes someone safe for sex. I mean, if regularly is once a month, within the past 6 months, the person had many opportunities to get HIV or Hepatitis B or C and the previous 6 tests might have not shown that. It takes 3-6 months for the body to start developing antibodies that are being used in detecting these viruses. If they practice safe sex (ie. always use a condom, the condoms never blow, no oral sex, no kissing or no bleeding gums), why do they get checked at all?

 

I think you could argue the higher end escorts are probably safer (as far as STD's go) than the average girl you'd meet in a club or bar.

You almost make them sound like virgins!

 

Why do you assume that prostitutes never have intimate partners (non-clients) with whom they practice unsafe sex?

[CommitmentPhobe]

I'm going to side with the person that works with the prostitutes rather than the internet addicts who have nothing better to do than fart around on this site.

[Green]

Hookers were on tv today I saw them on the worst show ever the Tyra banks show which actualy is worse then oprah and managed to turn hookers into something boring although the hookers they had on the show were really hot ones that worked at one of those legal whore houses in nevada

[RecordProducer]

I'm going to side with the person that works with the prostitutes rather than the internet addicts who have nothing better to do than fart around on this site.

I agree that they become hookers because they were victims of abuse, deprived from love during childhood, come from unstable families, lack self-esteem, self-respect, and often never had the right conditions to receive any proper education. One thing leads to another, so they continue with the self-destruction through drugs, bad company, breaking the law and ending up in correctional institutions. Once thrown in the muddy whirlpool, the abuse and humiliation continue, and they start losing piece by piece of everything that was ever human in them.

 

How can one not feel compassion for these people or judge a 14-year old child who escaped from severe abuse and became a prostitute? Prostitution exists because people are evil and they turn other people's lives into nightmares - even the lives of their own children.

[sam light]

I agree that they become hookers because they were victims of abuse, deprived from love during childhood, come from unstable families, lack self-esteem, self-respect, and often never had the right conditions to receive any proper education. One thing leads to another, so they continue with the self-destruction through drugs, bad company, breaking the law and ending up in correctional institutions. Once thrown in the muddy whirlpool, the abuse and humiliation continue, and they start losing piece by piece of everything that was ever human in them. .

I knew one and only one. I knew her and her parents before she entered that life. She was an honor student and did lots of charity work. Both her parents died within 1 year of her starting college. No inheritance to speak of. She was unskilled in a terrible economy, she paid for school (and rent, car etc) by being an escort. Never did drugs, wasn't abused, etc.

After graduation she got a normal job.

They're not all abused drug using runaways.

[Lizzie60]

I knew one and only one. I knew her and her parents before she entered that life. She was an honor student and did lots of charity work. Both her parents died within 1 year of her starting college. No inheritance to speak of. She was unskilled in a terrible economy, she paid for school (and rent, car etc) by being an escort. Never did drugs, wasn't abused, etc.

After graduation she got a normal job.

They're not all abused drug using runaways.

 

Exactly... I find this generalization kinda weird... a LOT of women are doing it for the fun and the money... no drugs, no abuse, no addictions... plain old money... period..

[Shygirl15]

Exactly... I find this generalization kinda weird... a LOT of women are doing it for the fun and the money... no drugs, no abuse, no addictions... plain old money... period..

 

One lady (very senior, Director's level) at my job recently approached me and asked if I would consider to join her escort service. Apparently, she's a madam !

 

I was horrified and really disgusted at first, but the more she explained how things work and the pay (), I agreed to give it a thought and let her know. It doesn't always have to involve/end up with sex, according to her, and it's totally my call if I want to get intimate with a client or not.

 

I had a pretty decent upbringing, so if I decide to do it, it will simply be for fun.. and of course the money.

[RecordProducer]

One lady (very senior, Director's level) at my job recently approached me and asked if I would consider to join her escort service. Apparently, she's a madam !

 

I was horrified and really disgusted at first, but the more she explained how things work and the pay (), I agreed to give it a thought and let her know. It doesn't always have to involve/end up with sex, according to her, and it's totally my call if I want to get intimate with a client or not.

 

I had a pretty decent upbringing, so if I decide to do it, it will simply be for fun.. and of course the money.

Please don't believe one word of what she says! She is a pimp. Of course she will tell you whatever to lure you into the mud, but then it will be too late.

 

In any occupation, you have to count with the worst-case scenario. You want to be a doctor? Don't think saving lives - think blood, disease, long hours, etc. Still want it? Go for it. If you want to be a lawyer, don't think fighting for human rights; think writing and reading boring documents. Still want it? Go for it!

 

In prostitution, don't think money, glamor, and handsome, clean, rich customers who will want to marry you. Think ugly, old perverts treating you like a hooker - which you consider becoming. Still want it?

 

It doesn't have to end in sex... she is so full of sh*t!

[Lizzie60]

In prostitution, don't think money, glamor, and handsome, clean, rich customers who will want to marry you. Think ugly, old perverts treating you like a hooker - which you consider becoming. Still want it?

 

It doesn't have to end in sex... she is so full of sh*t!

 

I have to disagree with this.. if you're thinking about low-class, cheap prostitutes.. then yes.. they could go for the ugly, slimy low-class perverts.. but not all escorts and prostitutes go for that..

 

and this lady is right.. it's not always about sex.. but most of the time it is..

[Green]

Please don't believe one word of what she says! She is a pimp. Of course she will tell you whatever to lure you into the mud, but then it will be too late.

 

In any occupation, you have to count with the worst-case scenario. You want to be a doctor? Don't think saving lives - think blood, disease, long hours, etc. Still want it? Go for it. If you want to be a lawyer, don't think fighting for human rights; think writing and reading boring documents. Still want it? Go for it!

 

In prostitution, don't think money, glamor, and handsome, clean, rich customers who will want to marry you. Think ugly, old perverts treating you like a hooker - which you consider becoming. Still want it?

 

It doesn't have to end in sex... she is so full of sh*t!

 

WOw this thread just took an interesting turn once again. So shygirl has been aproached by a madame who made it seem glamerouse.

 

I mean to a degree prostitution could be very glamerouse I mean look at how the movie pretty woman made it look. They say the movie pretty woman suposedly help create prostitutes who knows if thats true.

[Shygirl15]

Well, she made it sound glamorous and sort of high class, not prostitution per se. And I'm really not sure what escort service involves. Said some customers have been asking for a black girl..lol.

 

I don't think I'll do it anyway.

[JamesM]

Interesting topic being discussed by mainly people who probably have never visited or talked with a prostitute.

 

Now what I have learned from many sources...and join an internet forum of escorts and you WILL learn alot without visiting them..is that there are many reasons that women become escorts. The main reason is not sex but money. The question becomes...why do they choose a profession that in most cases degrades their body and personal reputation? The money is great and easy to get, but the risk is being caught by a cop or being beat up/abused by a client.

 

Many women do need the money for drugs. Others need it for living expenses such as a child. They have no marketable skills yet they look pretty good, so somehow they end up in the "profession."

 

Are they all good looking? By no means. Looks come second to most men if the women is willing to put out. It is amazing to me when I have seen the pictures of escorts that their actual looks is not that great. What makes them special to men is not just that they put out, but that they put out willingly and enthusiastically. It is about performance and personality. Guys pay a woman to make them feel incredibly special. They want that "girlfriend experience."

 

And check out the "reviews" that these escorts receive. Some guys tell all, while others suggest what may have happened. The ones who get the best reviews may not be the best looking. It is all about the ability of the woman to make the guy feel as if HE is the best thing that ever happened to her. Even if she doesn't believe it, she must act it. The best escorts are actually the best actresses.

 

However, better looking women can command more pay. The less fit and less "beautiful" accept less. This alone must be degrading...knowing that your body is worth less. Yet there are men who want the BBWs (big beautiful women) and will pay for it...when ironically enough, they could probably pick one up for free.

 

And shygirl, if you think that the evening will not be expected to end in sex, then you are mistaken. If you choose to be that way, then you will not be making much money. The sex industry is not "Pretty Woman." And the clients are not Richard Gere.

 

I have to say that ordinary women get caught up in the sex trade for various reasons, but the main one is the easy money. Period.

 

As long as guys are willing to pay for sex, then women can make more money being an escort than they could ever make at any other career with so little education and skills.

 

There are many types of "hookers."

 

Streetwalkers...mainly drug addicts.

Escorts.....all types. Higher end companies have "better" women. Lower end companies are cheaper but "you get what you pay for."

Massage parlors.....including Asian massage parlors (Yes, those Spas are fronts for prostitution).

Strippers who make extra by including sex.

Massage "therapists" who give "happy endings."

 

They are all doing one thing....performing sex for money.

 

I love the "but these escorts get checked for STDs regularly.

 

First, what is regularly? Some say it, but actually don't. Some get checked regularly every six months. Some do get checked every month. And some never get checked because they have regular clients whom they "trust." (No matter that guys who visit escorts rarely only visit one person). No woman will say that she has not been checked and no woman will EVER say that she caught an STD. And they will not say that they do drugs...which adds the problems of sharing needles.

 

Second, as has been said, if the guy before you (and it may have been minutes ago) had an STD, then it does not matter how regularly the woman has been checked. All that matters is what happened since the last doctor checkup.

 

Third, in theory, condoms prevent most STDs. But again, is it worth the moment of pleasure to possibly experience a life time of pain? Some escorts require a condom every time. Some women do so only if the client asks for it. And some women allow "regulars" to not use them...as if regulars never catch diseases. And let's not forget orals sex and what has been in her mouth.

 

There are undoubtedly clean women who regularly check themselves and take every precaution to prevent disease, but unless a guy is 100% certain of this, prostitutes in general is comparable to playing Russian roulette.

 

Women do it for money. Men pay for pleasure and respect...which is ironic because the women who perform for money rarely actually respect the clients.

 

Actually, men pay women to have sex because there is not commitment or work required. It has been said that a man pays out for a date and gets nothing in return, yet if he pays out to an escort, he can be (almost) certain that he will get some.

 

Men pay for sex so that the woman goes home. It is one step less of a commitment than a F-Buddy.

[Green]

I've never used one but I have encountered them a few girls I knew from school actualy ended up becoming prostitutes. The categories you outlined probably sums it up although you need to seperate call girls from escorts because an escort you might actualy take out to dinner or some function. I forgot about the strippers and massage parlors who sell actual sex on the side. Basicaly there are a few reasons men do it, and this is only a guess but you have the losers who just can never get laid, you have the sex adicts who can never have enough or want something weird, and then you have the married men who are basicaly paying for the girl to go away after the sex as opposed to what could happen if they actualy dated a girl on the side.

[JamesM]

The question is why are married men the main customers? What is a married man's motivation?

 

If a MM gets an STD, he has to reveal his secret...assuming he is having sex with his wife (which is a big assumption). If a single guy gets it, he can pretty much get a pill and forget it.

 

Reasons for MM using escorts (prostitutes)....

1. He gets no sex at home.

2. He wants variety.

3. He likes the thrill of the secret life.

4. It makes him feel powerful, cool, or (fill in the blank).

 

 

Why else? Stating that he is a sex addict would fall under a combination of 2 and 3.

 

Is it as the bumper sticker said (seriously, I saw this!)..."I want a bl**j*b not an affair!"

 

As for separating escorts and other hookers, it is really semantics. I have no doubt that many do advertise this as their business, but the purpose of all of them is giving sexual pleasure. While some guys may go out to dinner or other functions, the cost is per hour. I guess richer guys can afford the extra time, but if a guy's motivation is sex, then he will not waste the money.

[Shygirl15]

Not supporting escort services, but I wonder how is this different from situations where women get randomly picked up at bars/nightclubs and end up having sex with some strange men they just met, or women who have FWB. We see a lot of these scenarios here on the Dating Forum, don't we?

 

At least with escort services you get paid for what you put out, at the end of the day. Or is that what makes it a terrible thing to do?

[Shygirl15]

Gee, James, all that information makes me wonder what is it you do for a living..:laugh:

[JamesM]

Gee, James, all that information makes me wonder what is it you do for a living..:laugh:

 

I am a pimp.