Dating the younger woman - any seduction ideas?

[CommitmentPhobe]

You can't tell someone how to seduce on an internet forum, it's like trying to teach someone how to play tennis. I'm not entirely sure what your expectations from posting here are.

 

So I'll treat it like tennis, play and practice as much as you can, and find yourself a teacher, as in a friend who is experienced. You're not going to get anything off here.

[CommitmentPhobe]

On a serious note: I don't believe, a true man would make a girl get drunk so he could bump uglies by the end of the night.

 

That's low status.

 

Never a truer word spoken.

[Isolde]

Since when is this a feminist issue? I think honesty is the best policy and would be the same if the roles were reversed here. It's Balthazar's choice whether or not to tell the girl he's not into a LTR, but I think it would be best that way. I don't see how Jersey Shortie is being virulent (maybe in other threads, but not this one). Guys, chill. It's just offering advice, Balthazar can and will do what he wants.

[Krajt]

Never a truer word spoken.

 

It's not a word, but a series of words that form a cohesive sentence.

[pretty professional]

Not to tell her his intentions of "sexual partner only" is not being honest. Not telling her he doesn't want a relationship before he sleeps with her is also dishonest and not showing integrity. (He doesn't care about that, however.)

 

Balthazar, it amuses me that you feel that women are upset that supposedly all the men are going for younger women, yet your celebrities you would most like to date are in their 40's (Monica Belucci, Diane Lane.)

[Jersey Shortie]

Balthazar, I just think you see the truth in my posting and dislike my advice. What I have assumed is based on the information you have given.

 

1. She is 21

2. She comes from a conservative backround and still lives at home.

3. You are not interested in a LTR

4. Because of her age and yours, she does not have the life experience you have regardless of how mature she is for her age.

5. You want to seduce her.

6. You think she wants to be seduced by your own deductions which could be questionable.

 

Based on the information you have given, I think it's best to be upfront about where you stand. WHere is the harm in being upfront? She could be painting rainbows and wedding dresses in her head. She could be just having a good time herself. She could very well want to have sex. I just think that you need to be direct and honest about your intentions. You can be direct and honest and still seduce her. As long as you both want the same thing and you aren't using your age as leverage over her own experience.

 

I really don't see how I personally attacked you on anything about you as an indivdual and your personal preferences. Please show me where I have done so. In this case, from the information you gave, I do get the impression that you do want to use her. Wanting to have sex with a woman but not take it any further is about what you can get from them, not what you can give. It would be the same for a woman going out with a man for his money and where he can take her and not wanting him for anything else. Same thing. And a woman doing that IS using a man for his money.

 

I could care less if you, as an individual, like younger or older women. And I think it speaks more of your insecurity to try to make it seem like I am jealous when my advice has been to protect the girl in question. Getting dumped for younger women? Sweetie, I have never been dumped for a younger woman. But I find your comment " you are stilll getting dumped like a sack of potatoes for a hot young chick", bitter in it's own right. I might be a little bitter about men, not that I want to be, but you certainly hold your own fair share of bitterness about women and you try to attack them where you think it will hurt. *Try* being the key word.

 

 

 

You say not to "use" this young woman for my own gains.

If I have sex with this young lady, we will be "using" each other, and there is nothing wrong about that.

 

Most men have causual sex more easily then women. A woman might enjoy the sex but she will be left with negative feelings, more so then a man, if she finds that he wants nothing more to do with her. I think what you should ask yourself is how would you feel if a woman used you for your money. You admit here that you are "using" her for sex to some degree. Women don't view sex the same way. Especially 21 year old women compared to 35+ year old men. Men don't want to be used for money and women don't want to be used for sex. Please don't use her for sex. Just be honest about what you want so that all the cards are on the table. No harm in that.

 

 

Seduction is not preying on the weak.Far from it.

 

Seduction is about exploiting a need or desire in another person to get them to do as you want. Why not just be direct since you seem sure she wants the same thing anyway? And after you know for sure what she wants, and she knows what you want from her and don't want, then have fun! Have sex. Having sex alone is not enough for most women. Most women don't have causual sex as easily as men do. Don't make the assumptiong that just because you see it the way you do, that she does too. Right now, you are making that assumption.

 

 

I don't see how Jersey Shortie is being virulent (maybe in other threads, but not this one). Guys, chill. It's just offering advice, Balthazar can and will do what he wants.

 

Thank you. Excellent word by the way: virulent.

[pretty professional]

The heart of the matter is that this young lady isn't really that interested in him. This is bugging the hell out of Balthazar.

[Green]

how but trusting this girls judgment to make the decision thats right for her. I really see no reason for B to back off he wants her

[Jersey Shortie]

Of course, she should have the choice to make what is best for her. But if she doesn't have all the information, that's hard to do. I don't see what the issue is in telling her he doesn't want a LTR with her anyway. Why would that be bad?

[CaliGuy]

The heart of the matter is that this young lady isn't really that interested in him. This is bugging the hell out of Balthazar.

 

What makes you say that? You don't know what she's thinking. Heck, even B doesn't know what she's thinking exactly.

 

I think everything is being over-analyzed here. They should just hang out and see what happens with no hidden agendas.

 

Go out B. Have fun. Don't worry about what her intentions are. If she likes you, she'll let you know.

 

As I said earlier, don't take things so seriously. If you just go out, be yourself and have fun, the relationship (if there is to be one) will progress naturally. You don't have to scheme or plan anything.

 

I went on a great date last night. It was a blast. Had a lot of fun and really, I was just being myself and put no expecations. She made it clear she really likes me and had fun too.

 

And all because I am confident in who I am and not looking for validation from anyone. I just wanted to have fun and relax and that's what I did. Just do the same man and you'll be fine.

[Shygirl15]

Can we all just refer to the heading of this thread for a moment; the guy is simply seeking some seduction ideas for this young lady, not opinions on if he should or shouldn't date a 21yrs woman as I believe he has already made that decision himself. How about saving your over-analyzed posts for other threads that may require them?

[CommitmentPhobe]

It's not a word, but a series of words that form a cohesive sentence.

 

If you're lost for something to do I can give you a few ideas

[Krajt]

If you're lost for something to do I can give you a few ideas

 

I'm all ears.

[Jersey Shortie]

Can we all just refer to the heading of this thread for a moment; the guy is simply seeking some seduction ideas for this young lady, not opinions on if he should or shouldn't date a 21yrs woman as I believe he has already made that decision himself. How about saving your over-analyzed posts for other threads that may require them?

 

I have refered to the heading of this thread. I gave my personal experience and gave him some advice.

I don't remember anyone saying he shouldn't date her. He should be honest with her however. And I will post, how I please, within the confines of the loveshack rules without your menstrations. Thank you.

[Federica]

I think you've more than made your point though.

[pretty professional]

I really agree with Jilly.

 

 

Five dates and always a peck on the cheek?

 

You're friend-zoned, me thinks.

 

Honestly B, not to sound harsh, but you're almost twice her age. I just don't see a 21-year old being romantically interested in someone so much her senior (even though we all know you're megawatt hot! )

 

I get the feeling you misread "chemistry" sometimes, as this story reads like the girl you were interviewing.

 

When I was 23, I had a 48 year old "mentor". He thought I was wise beyond my years (read: firm bosom), and we spent a LOT of time together, as he lived close by. We worked together, would grab dinner, hang out at his place... I wasn't foolish -I knew he was always hoping for more, however, I merely enjoyed his company and attention. He was everything a woman would want in a man, except he was 20 years too old.

[pretty professional]

I have refered to the heading of this thread. I gave my personal experience and gave him some advice.

I don't remember anyone saying he shouldn't date her. He should be honest with her however. And I will post, how I please, within the confines of the loveshack rules without your menstrations. Thank you.

 

 

Jersey, you have said nothing offensive which would warrant the reaction. There is strong objection by the original poster to being honest with the young lady, that's why he is spewing his venom at you.

[pretty professional]

This is not Jersey. I am not the only poster who agrees that Jersey said nothing wrong. You just don't agree with her advice of disclosing your intentions beforehand.

[elaina]

This is not Jersey. I am not the only poster who agrees that Jersey said nothing wrong. You just don't agree with her advice of disclosing your intentions beforehand.

 

Let's all gang up on Balthazar!

 

Sorry

 

Balthazar, I don't have anything against you but I do agree with some of what Jersey said because I do think you should be honest with Irene and tell her you are desiring a sexual relationship with her but not necessarily a long term one (if that is indeed what you want.)

 

Honestly declaring your desires yeah sure could backfire from what you want, but if you truly care for her as a woman, then I personally think that includes caring for her feelings and her own desires. You don't know right now if she is waiting for her knight in shining armor to come carry her off to his castle for a happy ever after yeah that's a fairy tale but it is the desire of many (not all) women. If you do not wish to be that knight but rather just be a lover, than it is good to tell her so she won't be dreaming of a lovely wedding and having beautiful kids with you and happily growing old with you, yeah?

 

Peace

[Cherry Blossom 35]

She's 21. from a conservative background, and lives at home. Is it possible she's a virgin? That would make her reticent. What if she is a virgin? Would you still seduce her, knowing you do not want an LTR?

 

Just a thought.

[Capricciosa]

Reading your threads about women is like watching a car crash: scary, sad and disturbingly fascinating in a stomach-turning way. Who said all dinosaurs were extinct?

 

That said, try to give her a real kiss and see how she responds. My prediction is that she will draw away. I had a few professors twice my age put the moves on me when I was 21-22 because they thought they were reading chemistry from me when I simply liked their company and the doting attention of an older man. There was no way I would take my clothes off for any of them. Very few 21 year olds are interested in men in the 40s. Maybe she's one of them, so take your chances but be prepared to be rebuffed and embarrassed.

[Balthazar]

Interesting Caprissioca.

Why are you are never critical of your "sisters" or yourself going out with younger men?

 

Your double standard in all its glory.

 

So what is sad and shameful is the fact that you have the gall to actually post Capriciossa!

Enter a thread late, get a few insults in and leave, eh?

Very classy!(By the way, I'm 38, not yet "in my 40's)

 

Cherry: We will just have to see how it goes.

 

Elaina: I honestly don't know what she wants. But you can't have such discussions with a lady at such a premature stage.

For all I know, her intentions may be just friendship and nothing more.

In any case, rest assured that I will show her a good time tonight.

 

 

Considering many of these posts from females,one can see that a man who dates young is damned on LS.

 

That is the gist of the matter.

If I am serious about this girl, you will criticize me about wanting a younger women.

If I am not serious, you attack me on grounds of dishonesty or leading her on.

 

So it really is a no-win scenario with many LS ladies.

They are US media fed, leading men around like sheep, trying to impose their feminist ideals.

 

Sorry ladies, I am not one of those guys, never have been and too old to become one.

 

I am old school, I date who I want and the woman are treated respectfully.

But they are treated as women, not androgynous human caricatures.

And while I have had my share of disappointments, I don't think even one of the ladies I have been with could ever say something negative about the way I treated them.

 

I am afraid a lot of you are projecting your own experiences and disappointments onto me and other men.

 

You are disillusioned with your lives, your boyfriends,your husbands.

You have seen where 40 years of feminism in the US has led relationships.

 

You have seen the record numbers of 40+ women who are alone.

 

And you are bitter as hell.

 

As for me, I have no problem with women dating younger or older(my previous posts on LS are proof of this).

 

So, if I am willing to accept your right to date whoever you want, why are you loathe to do the same?

 

On a final note, I appreciate the comments made by many female LS posters who voice their opinions is a civil, polite manner and without attacking other people's ideas.

(Shygirl, Isolde, Cherry, Elaine, Geisha, etc.)

 

But posters like JERSEY/PRETTY, CAPRIOCIOSSA and a few others seek just to attack and male-bash at every opportunity.

 

For proof of this, I will refer everyone reading to JERSEY/PRETTY's first post on this thread.

 

Notice the language and tone she uses and draw your own conclusions.

To my mind, it was a clear personal attack and irrelevant to the issue of the thread.

And it was clearly SLANDEROUS in that it charges me with all types of malign intentions.

How does Jersey know what my intentions are?

And where does she come off assuming the worst about men?

Oh wait, What was that thread again JERSEY/PRETTY,

 

"I don't trust Men".

 

Great, if you don't trust us, don't speak to us, that's what I have asked from you from the start.

If you find my thread offensive, Ignore it.

I ASSURE you I will pay you the same courtesy.

 

But that is not what gets you off, is it JERSEY/PRETTY?

 

Who exactly appointed you the LS judge and jury JERSEY/PRETTY?

 

Do you think that because it is an Internet forum you can just say whatever without regard?

 

And creating an alias like "PRETTY"?

How lame is that?

[lovelorcet]

I am a guy of about 30 and I would have no interest in dating a 21 year old. For me the age gap is already too big.

 

But I have to say, after reading a number of your posts you sound like you are at a very young emotional maturity level so maybe a 21 year old is the correct age band for you to be looking.

[Krajt]

I'm 21 and I would go hammer and tongs with a 40 year old woman. She'll probably sex me into oblivion, but it's all fun and games when condoms are easily accessiable.

 

Balt, just go get her man, who cares what Jersey/Petty has to say? You keep responding to them and giving them a chance to attack. If you ignore them they won't respond because they'll come across as complete sociopaths.

[Balthazar]

SO you are saying that because you do not wish to date younger women, other men shouldn't either?

 

Furthermore, you are stating that men who do date significantly younger are emotionally immature, correct?

 

I would say your view is near-sighted, sheltered but politically correct.

 

How about men who date older?

Are they emotionally mature or immature?

 

I am trying to go beyond criticizing any person on age-related preferences(man or woman).

My belief is that you date whoever you want to date, as long as both parties are willing.

 

If that is emotional immaturity, well.... I can live with it Lovelorcet.

 

CHeers,