Kamille Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 If it isn't for you, then fine. Your life is not for them either. Trust me. We agree there since if you had read my post properly you would have also read that I LIVED in the Middle East. My ex ex and love of my life is from there and, as we were planning to get married, I considered making that life work for me and moving there. But my ex and I both thought it wasn't a wise choice for us because women are constrained within family networks and I had no family there. I can also tell you one thing Von, you are romanticizing the middle East and we both know it. You are also, yet again, reducing gender issues, and women's role in society, to sexuality and being desired. Soon you're going to post a link to say that women shouldn't be educated.
Tomcat33 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Soon you're going to post a link to say that women shouldn't be educated. He already has, a valuable woman to him is some bikini model under 22 who can't read or write.
Tomcat33 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 There are probably numerous rapes that are never documented in many countries where women are considered "property," so I'm sure your claim about USA being the "rape capital (sic) of the world" is BS. But then again, nearly all of your posts follow the same extreme line of thought. EXACTLY! In Iran a woman is not allowed to initiate a divorce if she wants to see her children, even under the pretext of extreme abuse she may or may not be granted access to her children, because a man always keeps the kids in a D regarless of what his role in the marital breakdown is. If a woman cheats she is publicly stoned if a man cheats they find ways to excuse it as emotional abuse at home which he was tyring to get way form. A man can have custody of the children and he can move away from the country with the children and there is nothing she can do. ALSO in the 60s there were certain laws that were put into place to protect women and divorce and after the revolution the Islamic ways were put back into place COMPLETELY disfavouring guess who? women. PUHHHHHHHHHHLEASE women are happier in this culture!! You mean men with VONFANTASIES, from the VONDILUSIONS that are fuled by VONIGNORANCE THINK that these women are happier.
vonerik012 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 I am not romanticizing at all. It is difficult to present an opposite view, and fully explain every thought I have. People write entire books on the subject. Women also enjoy the freedom of mind that goes along with being covered. For many it is very liberating not to have men leering at you everywhere you go, or spending hours doing hair, putting on make up, worrying if you are fat etc. Why married women go out to go shopping with their breasts hanging out, with skin tight jeans, or a tiny skirt is beyond me. In the end, that woman probably has a better marriage, and sex life than most of you could ever dream of. Perhaps they feel that is more important than working their entires lives to pay taxes, buy junk, and acquire debt while never being truly loved and desired. To each his own.
vonerik012 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Woggle, do you seriously mean to tell me that you think this is a "loving relationship?" One in which a woman will provide the obligatory blow job even through the pain of a pounding headache simply because it is her "duty?" Ish. I guess if you have headaches that often you should go to the doctor. Do you also stay home from work, and neglect feeding your kids if you have a headache? Do you lay in bed incapacitated all day?
Kamille Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 And still not a reply, because he has no intelligent response to my post. I have a good man, and it's not because I perform duties like some kind of monkey on a leash. He can't reply. I'm still trying to figure out what compels him to spew so much BS. He's obviously quite dissatisfied in his own life and instead of changing his own habits and taking responsibility for his own happiness, he prefers to bash women. If only he was born in the 1950s, or in the Middle East, he would have been so happy. He's just a poor sap incapable of adjusting to modern society.
Angel1111 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 You know, I was kinda with you for a second there and then you lost me with the 'bj a day' thing and a lot of other things you said. Seriously? Not to be silly or anything but wouldn't that even get old 365 times a year (not to mention the bj lines around your mouth that would start to develop very early in life). And you had a bunch of turmoil and were thinking about cheating? Interesting. I will agree with you that looking for equality in the sense that some people do just doesn't work in relationships. But I think the part that you're missing is that even when women do acknowledge the roles and are happy to let things be that way, they're often dealing with a man who doesn't deserve that kind of respect, who doesn't have enough sense to make a good decision, who has weak character, etc. This is extremely difficult to live with and difficult to let the man be in the driver's seat if he's 'crashing and burning' all the time. So I think your observation is somewhat simplistic, although it does have some merit. If a woman treats her signifigant other the same way she treats the men in the office or her subordinates, there are going to be big problems. Competitivess and bossiness don't work. The other side of that coin is that men need to act in such a way that they earn a woman's respect. It's not an automatic thing. I knew a couple that moved to the States from the UK a few yrs ago. After they had been here for a couple of months, I asked the woman what her impression was of the U.S. She said that she was surprised at how family-oriented everyone was. I almost fell over. I realized that people have such a twisted view of Americans - thinking that all we care about is money and material things. But I've noticed that when people move here from other countries (I've known a few of them), they suddenly realize how easy it is to get the material things and how easy it is to pass judgement on things they didn't know anything about. Our culture is all about the numbers and sheer size of our country (aka land mass + unity). It makes things easier, it tends to let companies franchise and multiply (Starbucks comes to mind). It tends to create riches. That's just the nature of our country. So it may appear that's all we care about but that is far from the truth. The truth is that Americans have a deep love of their families and anyone who lives here knows that. And for the people who go thru divorce, it's often devistating because they value their families so much. But I know that a lot of people have observed the equally damaging effects of staying in a bad marriage for the sake of the kids and many choose to not go down that road. I think you're being overly simplistic and unrealistic. If your marriage makes you happy, then that's great. But it doesn't mean that if you acted the same way with another man that your marriage would also be perfect. There are a LOT of screwed up people out there. Just be glad that you're happy, and learn to have compassion for others going thru bad times or making bad choices. There is no blanket answer.
vonerik012 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Everyone agrees on here, but some choose to word things differently. I might have said a woman should submit, and others said they prefer to "be lead". How long have you been married to him?
GoodOnPaper Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 . . . I for one am a modern woman but have abosolutely NO problem submitting to the right man, a chosen man one who is worthy of submission . . . What makes a man "worthy"? Sounds like a daunting task for said men. By putting yourself on this kind of pedestal, you are feeding the very Peter Pan syndrome you claim to hate.
Tomcat33 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 I am not romanticizing at all. It is difficult to present an opposite view, and fully explain every thought I have. People write entire books on the subject. Women also enjoy the freedom of mind that goes along with being covered. For many it is very liberating not to have men leering at you everywhere you go, or spending hours doing hair, putting on make up, worrying if you are fat etc. Why married women go out to go shopping with their breasts hanging out, with skin tight jeans, or a tiny skirt is beyond me. In the end, that woman probably has a better marriage, and sex life than most of you could ever dream of. Perhaps they feel that is more important than working their entires lives to pay taxes, buy junk, and acquire debt while never being truly loved and desired. To each his own. Yeah that's why behind closed doors they wear so much makeup they look like clowns, are obessed with plastic surgery, the men run around and cheat on them while they cannot as much as look at other men. And they are very happy for it. Wake up will you?
Tomcat33 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 What makes a man "worthy"? Sounds like a daunting task for said men. By putting yourself on this kind of pedestal, you are feeding the very Peter Pan syndrome you claim to hate. What makes a man worthy is if I fall in love with him and doesn't take a LOT for me to fall in love with the right guy.
vonerik012 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Several years. Other than that, I'm not going into further personal detail other than that we both get to be who we are as humans. We value each other's strengths and recognize the weaknesses and help each other out where needed. We relish our sense of humor and our zest for life, and our sex life is wonderful. Where one falls short, the other supports. It's all about give and take and appreciating what we have and letting each other be who we are. We work together toward the common good, including for my son and our respective grown children. It's about acting like adults. It's certainly NOT about acting like someone's doormat. You have been married several years? Are you sure ? lol Are you married at all?
Tomcat33 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Several years. Other than that, I'm not going into further personal detail other than that we both get to be who we are as humans. We value each other's strengths and recognize the weaknesses and help each other out where needed. We relish our sense of humor and our zest for life, and our sex life is wonderful. Where one falls short, the other supports. It's all about give and take and appreciating what we have and letting each other be who we are. We work together toward the common good, including for my son and our respective grown children. It's about acting like adults. It's certainly NOT about acting like someone's doormat. All basic and great concepts Luvmy which some will NEVER get, for the simple fact that they don't WANT to get this. It doesn't fall neatly into their fantasized ideal of what a man/woman relationship should be, ya know?
Kamille Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Is every single woman in the world "worthy" of being your girlfriend or wife? best post on this thread!
Dirk Diggler Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 It think that is ridiculous, you are human being not a blow job machine. I will never support any woman who feels the need to dehumanize herself in the name of marriage, religion or men. Sorry. And how is giving her husband a blow job every day any different than the couple that has sex every day and actually enjoys it? Just because you don't want to do such yourself or you have a lower sex drive than she does is no need to put this woman down because she's devoted to sucking on her husbands cock every night. Commend her on being a good wife and maintaining a good sexual relationship. But of course all the feminist prudes are going to find reasons to shoot holes in that statement as i clearly see here page after page.
vonerik012 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Dirk exactly. The feminists on here would only be happy if she was calling her husband names, putting him down, or cheating on him. Men prefer a woman like the OP, so perhaps the LS feminists need to put her down. Maybe they are jealous she actually is married, instead of just lying about being married on an internet message board.
Kamille Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 all right. What do you, Vonerick and Dirk have to offer a good woman? (You know, not the LS feminist kind, the good kind, the ones you would want in your life.)
vonerik012 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Obviously posting anything here would just be ripped apart by the usual hateful LS female members. Men want to marry women like the OP. Who wouldn't? Is that why you all attack her?
Tomcat33 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 And how is giving her husband a blow job every day any different than the couple that has sex every day and actually enjoys it? Just because you don't want to do such yourself or you have a lower sex drive than she does is no need to put this woman down because she's devoted to sucking on her husbands cock every night. Commend her on being a good wife and maintaining a good sexual relationship. But of course all the feminist prudes are going to find reasons to shoot holes in that statement as i clearly see here page after page. It's fine for her if she feels happy with that great. What I have a problem with is her telling ME to know MY role as a woman. She hasnt a clue what my role as a woman is because she is not me. My role as woman is a lot more than sucking cock every single night of my life. If there is one thing I am not is a prude, my idea of a good sex life does not involve doing the EXACT same mechanical repetetive act every single night I am not a robot and neither is the man I choose to be with so spare me on what I should do to be a complete woman. I have absolutely NO troubles when it comes to my sexuality nor have I ever had a dissatisfied partner, in fact in a few instances they were the ones that could not keep up. She offers this insight of ONE sex act as the end all be all of what keeps a marriage life well, yet on the same token she talks about the many times she has had to fight of the desire to feck another man. How stupid do you have to be to not see the underlying message? I swear some of you men are really like little puppies looking at sparkly sticks, "ooooooh blow jobs, sparkly, wooof woof" you are so blinded by one comment you fail to see the overall picture of why her post was not well received by almost every single woman in this thread.
so gutted Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Ha Ha a fake post. like a blowjob a day keeps a man. If men want to stray tehy do. They can stray from a stunning perfect woman, for a pure minger JUST because they want FRESH MEAT.
vonerik012 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 It's fine for her if she feels happy with that great. What I have a problem with is her telling ME to know MY role as a woman. She hasnt a clue what my role as a woman is because she is not me. My role as woman is a lot more than sucking cock every single night of my life. If there is one thing I am not is a prude, my idea of a good sex life does not involve doing the EXACT same mechanical repetetive act every single night I am not a robot and neither is the man I choose to be with so spare me on what I should do to be a complete woman. I have absolutely NO troubles when it comes to my sexuality nor have I ever had a dissatisfied partner, in fact in a few instances they were the ones that could not keep up. She offers this insight of ONE sex act as the end all be all of what keeps a marriage life well, yet on the same token she talks about the many times she has had to fight of the desire to feck another man. How stupid do you have to be to not see the underlying message? I swear some of you men are really like little puppies looking at sparkly sticks, "ooooooh blow jobs, sparkly, wooof woof" you are so blinded by one comment you fail to see the overall picture of why her post was not well received by almost every single woman in this thread. The turn on is that she is willing to please, and her needs take a back seat. In practice, most likely the man see that she is giving, and makes sure all of her needs are met as well, in many ways. Nothing more annoying than dating a woman who keeps tabs on everything. "I cooked, so you clean" "I gave you a massage, so now you owe me one" Etc. We can all marry any type of woman we want. And you can be any type of woman you want. If you want success, and actually want a ring on your finger, take cues from the OP. If you just want to shack up, or have a sex buddy, do as you wish.
Tomcat33 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 The turn on is that she is willing to please, and her needs take a back seat. In practice, most likely the man see that she is giving, and makes sure all of her needs are met as well, in many ways. Nothing more annoying than dating a woman who keeps tabs on everything. "I cooked, so you clean" "I gave you a massage, so now you owe me one" Etc. We can all marry any type of woman we want. And you can be any type of woman you want. If you want success, and actually want a ring on your finger, take cues from the OP. If you just want to shack up, or have a sex buddy, do as you wish. Yeah yeah yeah.... while you're at it explain to me what turns on a pedophile, I am sure you can come up with just as good an explanation for virtually anything really. Of course you have to have some sap to eat that shiiit up, but you can defnitely try.
Kamille Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 The turn on is that she is willing to please, and her needs take a back seat. In practice, most likely the man see that she is giving, and makes sure all of her needs are met as well, in many ways. Von, I wish you luck. At least you know there are women like Caroline out there. In the meantime, why waste your time trying to convince us LS feminist who want nothing more then to cheat on men, call them names, put them down and hope they won't stick us with all the dishes that we are deluded? What's in these discussions for you?
vonerik012 Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Yeah yeah yeah.... while you're at it explain to me what turns on a pedophile, I am sure you can come up with just as good an explanation for virtually anything really. Of course you have to have some sap to eat that shiiit up, but you can defnitely try. Does any of this address the op? Why do you keep mentioning pedophiles in your threads?
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