Lovelybird Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 2. What you see as degrading isn't always degrading for the people making it. Its an act, a simulation. Yes, there are things out there on the internet that are not acts or simulations, and there are some perversions out there - bestiality, child porn, etc - but those aren't the sort of thing that you see people here defending. you are denying again, did you read what those porn star said? Oh, fine, now you said it is religous site so those people's experiences aren't real? Because their religious background, they dare to say what is truth, they aren't duped like others Now I see how futher people can go to deny truth , just to please self
LucreziaBorgia Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 you are denying again, did you read what those porn star said? Former porn stars that now proselytize are pretty much expected to say stuff like that. I would be surprised if they didn't. Yes, there are some bad things out there. That doesn't mean 100% of it is like that.
LucreziaBorgia Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Oh, fine, now you said it is religous site so those people's experiences aren't real? Because their religious background, they dare to say what is truth, they aren't duped like others I'm sure their experiences are real. That doesn't mean everyone else's experience is like that. One man's truth is not the truth for all.
Lovelybird Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 here is the link: not only one women, but many women and men testified http://www.shelleylubben.com/index.php?truth=porn Ok, I will show you more truth that not come from religious background
LucreziaBorgia Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 We could post links all night, and it would be for naught. The bottom line is that truth is subjective - what is true for one is not true for others. For every 'bad' experience you'll have someone who can counter it with a 'good' one. I have no doubt that there are people who are miserable in the business. I also have no doubt that there are people who are perfectly happy in it. Porn is not right for you, and you do not want it in your life. That is your right. For some people, porn is right for what it is intended for and they do want it in their life. That is their right as well. When you have a couple who disagree on this, the best thing is to find a compromise that works for both.
Lovelybird Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 We could post links all night, and it would be for naught. The bottom line is that truth is subjective - what is true for one is not true for others. For every 'bad' experience you'll have someone who can counter it with a 'good' one. I have no doubt that there are people who are miserable in the business. I also have no doubt that there are people who are perfectly happy in it. Porn is not right for you, and you do not want it in your life. That is your right. For some people, porn is right for what it is intended for and they do want it in their life. That is their right as well. When you have a couple who disagree on this, the best thing is to find a compromise that works for both. When it concerns right and wrong, there isn't relative. Wrong is wrong, right is right. because most of people do wrong things, that wrong things cannot be defined as "right" This is what difference lie between you and me. No abosulte right or wrong for you, as long as both party agree, then it is ok. For me, there is right and wrong, and who defines that? God. If a couple only consider themselves, if both of them agree to abduct a child, is their act right just because they agree with each other? If an act is wrong, the people who did it will reap bad consequences for herself and himself and harm others, maybe mental disease, maybe physical disease, maybe other sufferings compromise should be made in a couple, but never compromise to devil, if a couple do that, in long term sense they cannot reap happiness, because they went agaisnt universal laws, because they went against universal moral laws
Lovelybird Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 We could post links all night, and it would be for naught. . I guess those testimonies meant nothing to you, even they represent part of their group?
LucreziaBorgia Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I guess those testimonies meant nothing to you, even they represent part of their group? They mean one thing to me: that some people have had bad experiences. That doesn't mean that everyone does.
Lovelybird Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 They mean one thing to me: that some people have had bad experiences. That doesn't mean that everyone does. Did you watch the video on the link I posted? she said not many dare to stand out to say the truth, because they are scared
LucreziaBorgia Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I'm just sayin'... just because some people have bad experiences does not mean that everyone does. I'm sure that there are plenty of former and current porn actors who are unhappy and feel exploited, but there are plenty of porn stars out there who are happy with what they do, and don't feel in the least bit exploited. That said, its late here. Time for me to turn in.
Lovelybird Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 In November 2004, a panel of experts testified before a Senate subcommittee that a product which millions of Americans consume is dangerously addictive. They were talking about pornography. The effects of porn on the brain were called "toxic" and compared to cocaine. One psychologist claimed "prolonged exposure to pornography stimulates a preference for depictions of group sex, sadomasochistic practices, and sexual contact with animals." ..... Mary Anne Layden, PhD, a psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania, was one of the witnesses at the Senate hearing on pornography addiction. She says the same criteria used to diagnose problems like pathological gambling and substance abuse can be applied to problematic porn use. "The therapists who treat pornography addicts say they behave just like any other addicts," she tells WebMD. One of the key features of addiction, she says, is the development of a tolerance to the addictive substance. In the way that drug addicts need increasingly larger doses to get high, she thinks porn addicts need to see more and more extreme material to feel the same level of excitement they first experienced. "Most of the addicts will say, well, here's the stuff I would never look at, it's so disgusting I would never look at it, whatever that is -- sex with kids, sex with animals, sex involving feces," she says. "At some point they often cross over." By Martin F. Downs [FONT=Arial](3) Pornography is based purely on fantasy. Reality can never match the fantasy. Again, one is living against reality here. There will be an escalating desire for the fantasy to become reality. Eventually escalation becomes necessary. Pornography acts like heroin on the brain. The viewer may start off with very mild porn, but that will cease to excite. They will slowly move into harder forms. When that ceases to excite, some form of acting out will happen. It's all about choosing reality over fantasy. The reality is fairly dull. This is why so many are disappointed in marriage. Porn addicts are inordinately affected with this issue because the fantasy has become an alternative reality that can and will never be true.[/FONT] from Help For Pornography Addicts
Lovelybird Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 hell, I just finished watching the video about law case, the impression gave me is that: those highly educated persons have high educations, "we are empathy about your experiences, but money blah blah blah", seems to me they are educated, but quite cold in heart, yes, empathy only through mouth, not actions http://www.shelleylubben.com/index.php?truth=porn
stoopid_guy Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 When it concerns right and wrong, there isn't relative. Wrong is wrong, right is right. because most of people do wrong things, that wrong things cannot be defined as "right" In many regards, I envy those who see everything in black and white, "right" and "wrong." If I could disengage my brain that much, life would certainly be simpler. The fact is though, that life isn't "black and white," or even shade s of gray, it's full color.
a4a Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I love gay porn as it reminds me that men indeed do suck.
grogster Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I love gay porn as it reminds me that men indeed do suck. Not as much as this Thread.
manugeorge Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Lovelybird, for every link you post about some poor porn star being taken advantaged of, there are just as many of them carving out a nice existence for themselves and raking in millions in the industry and yes they are women!!!. You can't ignore those now can you?. Like someone else mentioned before, to most of these women, it's a job and a paycheck, just like any other ****ty job out there. Would I do it? perhaps not but that is why we live in a free country where everyone is entitled to make thier own choices. When you start to bring religion into an argument, that is when I excuse myself. Your God is not necessarily everyone else's God. Thank God for freedom of choice.
demrea Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 there is right and wrong, this is true .... and who defines that? God. oh really? whose god? sorry, its not defined by anyone's god. If a couple only consider themselves, if both of them agree to abduct a child, is their act right just because they agree with each other? i dont need a god to tell me this is not right. although plenty of people will claim god allowed them to do many wrongs. moral laws and by whose god do we determine moral laws. sorry, god has no place in this discussion. we all dont follow a god nor believe in the need for a god to determine right and wrong for us.
Author EnigmasMuse Posted September 5, 2008 Author Posted September 5, 2008 Not as much as this Thread. hahaha! its funny isn't it. the thread sucks but yet people love to continue posting in it. And the other porn ones as well. I love it when people say things like that, and how much those porn threads are pointless and goes in circles but yet people can't stop hitting the submit button, lol!
grogster Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 hahaha! its funny isn't it. the thread sucks but yet people love to continue posting in it. And the other porn ones as well. I love it when people say things like that, and how much those porn threads are pointless and goes in circles but yet people can't stop hitting the submit button, lol! I suspect it's porn's draw. Ironically, those who hate porn the most are the most obsessed.
a4a Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 hahaha! its funny isn't it. the thread sucks but yet people love to continue posting in it. And the other porn ones as well. I love it when people say things like that, and how much those porn threads are pointless and goes in circles but yet people can't stop hitting the submit button, lol! I would like to install a submit button on the H. Now I am thinking about looking at some S&M porn.
Author EnigmasMuse Posted September 5, 2008 Author Posted September 5, 2008 I suspect it's porn's draw. Ironically, those who hate porn the most are the most obsessed. Possibly, but thsoe who love it or find nothing wrong with it etc are just as obessed as well. Personally I'm a fence sitter, lol!
JackJack Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I would like to install a submit button on the H. Now I am thinking about looking at some S&M porn. Don't you mean a "commit" button? To commit him to the nearest loony bin. You're better off with that infantile mess. You know, the grown men who like to be in diapers with a bottle and acting like a baby?
a4a Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Don't you mean a "commit" button? To commit him to the nearest loony bin. You're better off with that infantile mess. You know, the grown men who like to be in diapers with a bottle and acting like a baby? Thanks Jack - I no longer want to look at porn! you ruined it for me.
JackJack Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Thanks Jack - I no longer want to look at porn! you ruined it for me. Yeah, yeah, blame it all on me!
Lovelybird Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 we are duped by Satan if we are not saved by Jesus Christ. Satan treated us like slaves, spit on us, destroy our self -esteems, isolated us, and created many ideas to put people under bondages (think about your miserable lives). Do you have an idea how slaves were treated? then it is a picture for those who aren't saved by Jesus Christ, anyone isn't saved by Jesus Christ, is a slave of Satan. But Jesus sacrificed his own life to purchased us and set us free from sin, from Satan. Anyone who believe in Jesus Christ will get free gift of salvation and real freedom and real life Haha, Free choice, your favorite item. Do you know that you freely choose to be a slave of sin, of bondage, of misery? Ironic, I know. You think you are free, but in truth, you put yourself under control of sin, of porn. How much are you influenced by ideas of current time? and many of these ideas forms strongholds in your life that cost your peace, rejoice and real life. Yes, there is clear right and wrong, when I knew there is a justice loving God, heaven opened, nothing in my life I felt so happy. If you don't know God and His words, you certainly will be deprived and duped by darkness and wrong beliefs. Wrong beliefs creats strongholds, strongholds keep you under bondages, bondages makes your lives miserable. Do you know that human nature is bent on destruction and self destruction? So no matter what efforts you make, your selfish flesh are bent to destroy your life your peace, unless you are guided by Spirit of God. New and happy life need new and right belief. This is why Bible tells us "renew our mind daily". Words of God bring light and wisdom, like heavenly bread, taste it, it is sweet, taste it again, it brings real joy and life. Porn is a big lie, it will not deliever happiness but misery.
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