shadowplay Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Oh and another thing, you can't just assume these women who spend all this money improving themselves are air heads. Most of them have good jobs that afford them all the designer clothes, waxing, plastic surgery and everything else. You can't be broke and afford all that stuff. I think alot of women see a pretty girl and want to assume she is stupid to make themselves feel better. I'm not talking about natural beauty. I'm talking about a certain classless look that some women adopt. Usually these women are no prettier than others, they just try harder to cater to what they think men want. It's possible to look sexy, done up and still sophisticated. The women I'm referring to are not sophisticated in terms of their appearance, just carbon copies of each other. Of course you'll get the stray smartie in that group, but the average IQ will be lower because these are women who have chosen to imitate an insipid look.
bigmanpayne Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Oh and another thing, you can't just assume these women who spend all this money improving themselves are air heads. Most of them have good jobs that afford them all the designer clothes, waxing, plastic surgery and everything else. You can't be broke and afford all that stuff. I think alot of women see a pretty girl and want to assume she is stupid to make themselves feel better. please. where are those girls. that is tantamount to all strippers "are just doing it to put themselves through college" argument - of course there are some who have actually done that, but the majority aren't there for that. the majority have some dummy (or dummies) on the hook paying for all of that crap. or i know a few who do work and use all disposable income on looking good. i know some who dont work at all - make a living looking good and getting guys to pay for absolutely everything. they dont have a car, house, or even a toothbrush in their own name. its kinda sad.
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 So many assumptions about attractive, well-maintained women. Okay, here goes. Yes, I go to the spa on a regular basis. Yes, I go shopping and have a substantial wardrobe. Yes, I have a stylist/colourist who I adore and who adores my business. Sometimes, I paint on a tan. I wear makeup everyday. I use products upon products. I work out at home 5 - 7 days a week with yoga/pilates and have always supplemented with walking, hiking, swimming, kick boxing, blading, ice skating etc. I don't eat candy, junk food or unhealthy foods that lack any kind of nutrition. I don't drink soft drinks, primarily water. And damn, yes, I do look well put together enough to be considered arm-candy, without looking sleezy! Having said all that, I'm also a self-employed Business Financial Consultant, maintaining a particular lifestyle and live well below my means. I also hold an MsC in Finance and Econ. I don't think anyone could call me brainless, although some have tried. So, too many assumptions people, based on the exterior package. You don't know what's on the inside until you've gotten to know the person.
Walk Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 So many assumptions about attractive, well-maintained women. Okay, here goes. Yes, I go to the spa on a regular basis. Yes, I go shopping and have a substantial wardrobe. Yes, I have a stylist/colourist who I adore and who adores my business. Sometimes, I paint on a tan. I wear makeup everyday. I use products upon products. I work out at home 5 - 7 days a week with yoga/pilates Okay.. now the question is... Why do you do that? Beyond "I like to look nice". Really explain what drives you to paint on the tan? Because honestly, you can look good and not be tan. What drives you to purchase all those clothes? And are there things you give up in order to afford those clothes? It's a diffence in up bringing. I grew up in a family where you were scoffed at for spending time to look "pretty" before going to the store. I learned that it doesn't matter how people see the outter shell, it's what's on the inside that counts. What I don't understand though, is why all the fuss and work just to get someone to look at you? I'm often singled out for some trait or characteristic people admire about me. That to me says more then highlights, or tans, could ever say about someone. Just as you, TBF, are probably known for your intelligence and business sense more then your hair or your wardrobe. So why do you spend so much effort and time on it? (beyond hygenic and looking professional)
carhill Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 My bet is TBF likes it, just like I enjoy owning classic automobiles. Do we have to? No. Are we driven? Definitely no, at least in my case and I suspect in hers. It's something we enjoy. I like high-end vintage watches and antique jewelry. Does that define me? No. Does it describe a passion of mine? Definitely. My wife happens to work in the beauty industry as a colourist/stylist, so I hear such stories often. Overwhelmingly, I hear professional women do such things for themselves first, then secondarily for mates/work/others. I've horse-traded (I'm the "hammer" guy) for facials, pedicures, manicures, massages, etc and I must say the process makes me feel good about myself. Do I need it? No. Does it make me look better? I doubt it. Does it add another shade of color to my life? Sure. Since the beauty professionals are all female and all take pride in putting themselves together, the "eye-candy" isn't bad either
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 You nailed it carhill. You also know I appreciate good horsepower. Walk, I like to always improve myself. This includes interior and exterior, hobbies, interests, you name it. A deal I made with myself as a teenager was that I would never intellectually stagnate or let myself go physically. You've also probably never seen me without a tan, trying to wear a sun dress. It's blinding! No, I've never given anything up to maintain my lifestyle. I've never been in debt and put away money monthly, to ensure for a very relaxed retirement and if necessary, child-rearing. Finance is my business. My Mother is a well-maintained woman who I greatly admire and respect. She's got major substance, looking great, being in shape and more importantly someone who's highly intelligent, pragmatic AND very loving and caring. She's my female role model.
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 MSc brainbox, unless your University hands out special higher degrees. Thanks for the typo correction Commitment Phobe, Touchy and all your other stalker user ids!
nopainnogain Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Exactly.. How on Earth do you know they have no brain? All fat girls are geniuses too? ............
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Got any proof? If so take it up with the mods before making accusations.I can't figure how someone who spends so much time here fits all those activities in. I'm sure 6 hours a day could be better spent learning a foreign language, getting a killer body, helping out with charity etc. but then each to their own. I also speak French, killer body is subjective since I can't stand a ripped female body shape, fund raise and donate to two charities, one for Breast Cancer Research, the other the local Food Bank. Any other questions?
almost famous Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 I do have to say that women who proclaim themselves arm candy and toot their horn regarding their intelligence probably aren't as much those things as they believe. People who actually have those things also have modesty and don't need to validate themselves by detailing the steps they take in their appearance and their intelligence. I can shop at Old Navy and wear drugstore brand makeup and look great. Spending more at the shopping mall and salon doesn't mean you look any better.
stillafool Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 My bet is TBF likes it, just like I enjoy owning classic automobiles. Do we have to? No. Are we driven? Definitely no, at least in my case and I suspect in hers. It's something we enjoy. I like high-end vintage watches and antique jewelry. Does that define me? No. Does it describe a passion of mine? Definitely. My wife happens to work in the beauty industry as a colourist/stylist, so I hear such stories often. Overwhelmingly, I hear professional women do such things for themselves first, then secondarily for mates/work/others. I've horse-traded (I'm the "hammer" guy) for facials, pedicures, manicures, massages, etc and I must say the process makes me feel good about myself. Do I need it? No. Does it make me look better? I doubt it. Does it add another shade of color to my life? Sure. Since the beauty professionals are all female and all take pride in putting themselves together, the "eye-candy" isn't bad either Thank you Carhill. I don't need a fake tan or fake lips, but I do take good care of myself and I like to dress nice. Not for my husband, but for me because it makes me feel good to look good. I'm glad someone understands this.
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Yeah. Are you making this up? No. Anymore questions?
Terminator Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 There is a difference between dressing up for a night out and being an overly tanned slutty looking tramp with tattoos and your shirt so short your ass is hanging out, as well as your boobs for all to see. well just wow - there's some fancy footwork going on in your head with all that extrapolation - guessing some of your issues have issues. for future reference - high maintenance arm candy does NOT equate to SLUT
CaliGuy Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 So many assumptions about attractive, well-maintained women. Okay, here goes. Yes, I go to the spa on a regular basis. Yes, I go shopping and have a substantial wardrobe. Yes, I have a stylist/colourist who I adore and who adores my business. Sometimes, I paint on a tan. I wear makeup everyday. I use products upon products. I work out at home 5 - 7 days a week with yoga/pilates and have always supplemented with walking, hiking, swimming, kick boxing, blading, ice skating etc. I don't eat candy, junk food or unhealthy foods that lack any kind of nutrition. I don't drink soft drinks, primarily water. And damn, yes, I do look well put together enough to be considered arm-candy, without looking sleezy! Having said all that, I'm also a self-employed Business Financial Consultant, maintaining a particular lifestyle and live well below my means. I also hold an MsC in Finance and Econ. I don't think anyone could call me brainless, although some have tried. So, too many assumptions people, based on the exterior package. You don't know what's on the inside until you've gotten to know the person. And you wonder why I say you should move to SD
Walk Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 You nailed it carhill. You also know I appreciate good horsepower. No, I've never given anything up to maintain my lifestyle. I've never been in debt and put away money monthly, to ensure for a very relaxed retirement and if necessary, child-rearing. Finance is my business. I can understand "because you like it", but I associate the reason you like it is due to people looking at you. Not saying I'm right, that's just my logic to it. I'm not sure you're type of arm candy is I'm talking about. An example: My niece is an arm candy girl, and she would rather bum rides off friends then save up for a car because its more important to her to "look" a certain way then having transportation. Not to mention, she recieves more money from looking a certain way then she would working a job right now. Men throw money at her to have the honor of having a hot girl on their arm. She uses this to her advantage because she doesn't enjoy working. She's by no means dumb. The girl graduated highschool with all A's. She's doing well at the community college (when she actually goes). But she would rather drop out of college then go to school with a blemish on her face. That's the kind of dumb I'm talking about. Not IQ, or potential to learn something, but dumb as in those choices were retarded. Spending money on a tan rather then buying groceries? Using what little money she did get for new designer jeans rather then buying the graphing calculator so she could do well in class. Just dumb. Spending time or effort on increasing your physical appeal to the detriment of something else that is important. That's what I'm noticing among some "arm candy" types. Sacrificing something you want or need in order to appeal to the opposite sex. That is what brings about my thoughts that they are rather dense. That is what I find confusing.
almost famous Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 well just wow - there's some fancy footwork going on in your head with all that extrapolation - guessing some of your issues have issues. for future reference - high maintenance arm candy does NOT equate to SLUT No, no issues.
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 And you wonder why I say you should move to SD Cali, you're also someone who believes in self-improvement so you understand the drive and interest, be it externally or internally.
CaliGuy Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Cali, you're also someone who believes in self-improvement so you understand the drive and interest, be it externally or internally. Understand and appreciate, yes.
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 I can understand "because you like it", but I associate the reason you like it is due to people looking at you. Not saying I'm right, that's just my logic to it. I'm not sure you're type of arm candy is I'm talking about. An example: My niece is an arm candy girl, and she would rather bum rides off friends then save up for a car because its more important to her to "look" a certain way then having transportation. Not to mention, she recieves more money from looking a certain way then she would working a job right now. Men throw money at her to have the honor of having a hot girl on their arm. She uses this to her advantage because she doesn't enjoy working. She's by no means dumb. The girl graduated highschool with all A's. She's doing well at the community college (when she actually goes). But she would rather drop out of college then go to school with a blemish on her face. That's the kind of dumb I'm talking about. Not IQ, or potential to learn something, but dumb as in those choices were retarded. Spending money on a tan rather then buying groceries? Using what little money she did get for new designer jeans rather then buying the graphing calculator so she could do well in class. Just dumb. Spending time or effort on increasing your physical appeal to the detriment of something else that is important. That's what I'm noticing among some "arm candy" types. Sacrificing something you want or need in order to appeal to the opposite sex. That is what brings about my thoughts that they are rather dense. That is what I find confusing. Walk, there are women like that, regardless of being attractive or ugly. I'm most definitely not going to deny that I have my vanities. I like looking good, for me and if someone else finds me attractive, who I find attractive, even better. Keep in mind I'm neither model material or beautiful. Just attractive and well-maintained. But... They also have to appreciate more of what I have to offer internally, than externally. Superficial attraction isn't a lasting emotion. Also, you'd be surprised at how many women out there, who are like myself, who believe in putting energy into improving self from all perspectives. Staying healthy physically, improves your mental and emotional health by reducing stress, etc.
Walk Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Cali, you're also someone who believes in self-improvement so you understand the drive and interest, be it externally or internally. You feel validated when people find you attractive?
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 You feel validated when people find you attractive? Refer to my previous post. Btw, if someone views you as ugly or not intelligent, is this something you enjoy? External validation is nice some of the time, just not all of the time. In self-improving, you also self-validate.
Touche Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 I don't really get where you're coming from, Walk. As you may or may not know, I mostly work from home. A week (sometimes more) can go by before I really need to go into our office downtown. And that means I don't see another soul other than H and son. That said, I still do my nails and hair and makeup (although I don't bother with the make-up every day.) Do I do it for my H and son? You think they really notice my mani or pedi? No. Of course not. I do it for ME. When I take the time to do my hair knowing I won't be leaving the house for days, I do that for ME as well. H thinks I look great when I don't do a thing to myself. But it makes me feel good to do that for myself. I mean why do you brush your teeth every day? Why change your underwear? Who are you trying to impress by having nice teeth and clean underwear? To me, it's the same thing.
shadowplay Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 You nailed it carhill. You also know I appreciate good horsepower. Walk, I like to always improve myself. This includes interior and exterior, hobbies, interests, you name it. A deal I made with myself as a teenager was that I would never intellectually stagnate or let myself go physically. You've also probably never seen me without a tan, trying to wear a sun dress. It's blinding! No, I've never given anything up to maintain my lifestyle. I've never been in debt and put away money monthly, to ensure for a very relaxed retirement and if necessary, child-rearing. Finance is my business. My Mother is a well-maintained woman who I greatly admire and respect. She's got major substance, looking great, being in shape and more importantly someone who's highly intelligent, pragmatic AND very loving and caring. She's my female role model. I think you're missing the distinction between women who put a lot of time into their appearance and look classy versus those who look sleazy. They're worlds apart. I'm pretty sure the OP was referring to the latter.
Trialbyfire Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 I think you're missing the distinction between women who put a lot of time into their appearance and look classy versus those who look sleazy. They're worlds apart. I'm pretty sure the OP was referring to the latter. Once again, no where in her post, does she refer to sleazy dressing. These are conclusions drawn by members which in itself, is based on viewing someone superficially, and drawing potentially inaccurate conclusions. Regardless, even if a woman were to dress in a sleazy fashion, it doesn't mean she's stupid.
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