You HAVE to SETTLE!!

[Jaytb]

Yes, that's happened in the past- where I've met someone and our idea of humour doesn't click. That makes it hard to "connect" - and it's nobody's fault or anything. It does nothing to enhance chemistry when two people approach humour in different ways.

 

I love to laugh and make others laugh- so of course I would like to meet someone on the same wave length in terms of humour.

 

I see once again the thread has diminished to questioning the limitations and datability of older women.... That's getting rather tiresome.

 

I'm not going to defend my age as a limitation that means I have to settle for something less than a great relationship.

 

I'm not concerned about age- I'm looking for substance and compatibility.

I am also not looking for a "perfect man"... I am fine with imperfect. I prefer it.

 

It just bothers me that all my friends in relationships, getting engaged, married, having babies...seem to think the best advice to give me is to "settle" for second best. Why wouldn't they give that advice? Many of them are living it. I can tell you- many of my married friends are unhappy, or they are staying together because of the kids- some are having affairs, or marrying for financial stability.... I see that- and I just don't want that.

 

One of my close friends is getting married next year to a guy she hasn't had sex with in 3 months. They live together- co-exist as friends... she's 28 and he's 33.... She's miserable without the sex aspect of their relationship- but she's going to marry him anyway because she likes the financial stability and the companionship aspect of it (they are both sucessful). I'm on the phone with her 3 times a week listening to her cry about how her fiance doesn't want to have sex with her, how it makes her feel unattractive and unwanted. BUT- she's going to settle and marry him.

 

I see it all around me- and I just don't want that for myself.

 

I don't think "settling" should mean being with a guy not interested in you, like in your friend's situation. As I said, that's the bad kind of settling, the one that is detrimental to a good relationship. I think there is some amount of compromise you'd probably have to accept though, depending upon your needs and goals. I think it's just all about having realistic expectations about what's available. And if you don't want to "settle", then don't do it, no one is forcing you. But it's really about whether your expectations are realistic or not. (well, I don't really know how realistic your expectations are) but my thought is that there are guys out there you might not have considered or given a chance, like with the humor thing, I think that is something that sounds "workable", I mean so what if you two have a different idea of humor, you know? if everything else falls in place, then I wouldn't think there's a problem.

[Cherry Blossom 35]

Oh, and I totally get the humor thing. Major point of connection for me too.

[johan]

Don't worry too much about it, D. In the dark you can hardly tell the difference. The rest of the time you just need to keep as busy as possible.

[Jersey Shortie]

Common sense says if I marry a woman who is 5 years younger, she is ALWAYS the younger woman.

 

Thank you for over-stating the obvious. However, you've stressed your point enough to try and drill into women that after a certain age they are "depreicating values" to men. So even if she is always younger then him, she will eventually become a depreicating value. Commone sense also dictates that if we go strictly by the messages you have been spreading all over this board.

 

What incentive does a woman have to build a life with a man, have his children and grow old with him if he only looks at her as a depreicating value that he had to get a few years younger then himself to begin with to feel better and more like a man?

 

 

Why is a man waiting until 40 to have kids selfish?

 

Because he wanted to take all the "me" time he could before he had to settle down. And now that he wants to settle down, he wants a younger woman to do it with as a way to "reclaim" the youth of another person, so to speak. That's selfish. He waited to have children for a reason. And now that he is in the years of declining with age he wants to act like he is still at the same health of a 20 year old? It's selfish.

 

 

It would be selfish if he tried to raise or bring a child into the world without a mother on purpose.

 

 

Some children have no parents. A child that has one parent that truly loves them is very lucky. A child that has two parents that truly loves them is very lucky too. A child can have two parents who don't care about them at all. There are too many different family dynamics for you to make such an egotistcal assertion about what makes a family.

[rod_in_gtown]

I married somene I wasn't fully in love with. I fell in love with her afterwards. We divorced for reasons not having to do with our love and going through that divorce was the hardest thing I had to do. History shows us that people not always have to marry for the same reasons, you can learn to love someone if you're willing. It's only a matter of making your own rules and not doing what has been engrained into you or what people, society or pop culture expect you to do, or has led you to believe that it is what you should to.

 

"Every woman has the exact love life that she wants" - Dermot Mulroney, The Wedding date

[vonerik012]

TBF... That's funny.. You have a long list of requirements, but fertility should be irrelevant to a man, and he should just ignore age? The most important thing...

 

Yes Jersey, thats life. Most women like men a little older. Except on Loveshack I guess. We can take our time. Women have advantages as well. Just not in the time department. Once again, that's life.

 

D lish, ok don't settle. LOL As that feminist said in the video link, you might meet your soul mate in your 70's, and if you were with the wrong guy due to settling, you would miss out on that.

 

Oranghose, if you are a woman that is irreplaceable to a man, he will not leave you. Thats how women used to be. Now they are all easy, all trying to be like men, all interchangeable. Not much to give. So yes, they are easy to leave and "trade in" . Don't be one of those women, and you won't have that problem. Listen to the women on LS, and you will have that problem.

 

Cherry, her friends most likely feel bad for her, and talk about the negatives of marriage, as she is alone, single, and dating married men that lie to her. Ask them if they would be happier being single. Obviously they are not rubbing in her face how happy they are, or are happy to not be in the dating world.

 

Panda good point..My parents were never lazy, watching tv, bored etc. And they had me at a later age. 44 and 36.

 

And no my mother never worked, and my dad never would have left her in a million years. She submitted to him, but also had more control than him. He cherished her and brought home the dough. They were not competing with each other, they complemented each other.

[Jersey Shortie]

Yes Jersey, thats life. Most women like men a little older. Except on Loveshack I guess. We can take our time. Women have advantages as well. Just not in the time department. Once again, that's life.

 

No. That's how you want your life to be. That doesn't mean that's how life is. Some women like men a little older. Some women don't. You act like your opinions are all inclusive when they aren't. Men at 40 have the same age related issues that women in their 40s do. Ignoring that is only harmful to yourself.

 

 

And no my mother never worked, and my dad never would have left her in a million years. She submitted to him, but also had more control than him. He cherished her and brought home the dough. They were not competing with each other, they complemented each other.

 

Did he remind her what a depreciating value she was? After all, that's what you've summed women up as, depreciating values. You're mother got older so like all us woman, she was a depreciating value. By your own discriptions.

 

And you never answered my question. What incentive do men give women to give to them, raise familes with them, and love them if men only see then as depreciating values and leering at 20 year olds when they are well above this age themselves? Do you honestly think women are the only ones lacking in quality?

[Balthazar]

Where do you live? I live in the states and mail order brides are nonexistant around here. There must be a lot of desperate guys where you live. I also don't think D would have a problem finding a late twenties early thirties guy to marry her given that she's beautiful. Her only problem may be finding guys who interest her. Also, she seems to choose men who she knows aren't marriage material to protect her heart.

 

I also disagree with you that men peak in their mid thirties. I'd say they peak in their twenties, but that's kind of moot because if somebody is beautiful they are beautiful regardless of when they happened to look their best. Let's say D is in the top 2% of attractive people (she's a former lingerie model after all). The average younger guy who D dates will be hard-pressed to find a woman who is both younger and as attractive as D unless he limits his dating pool to models. Then within that kiddie pool of gorgeous young women he will have trouble finding a woman who has the same substance as D. It's true there are some men who will always prefer younger women (like you), but there are also a large percentage who don't mind a slightly older woman if she is just as attractive as her younger counterparts. In fact some find slightly older woman refreshing for their drama-free maturity.

 

It is clear we totally disagree.

The brides are not "mail order" as you say.

They are women working in the area who have immigrated from Eastern Countries.

I currently live in Greece.

They are very attractive women and come from countries that are poor(well, not that poor anymore with petrol at 120 bucks!) but culturally rich.

They are more traditional in outlook, differing quite a bit from modern, Western style women.

Do not speak condescendingly about them; I assure you they are formidable as women; beautiful, feminine, and more traditional in their behavior towards men.

 

They have become very popular with the local men.

(are the local men desperate? No, they are just horny; aren't guys in the US and Canada the same?)

 

Second, to say that men peak in their mid twenties has a superficial logic to it.

In fact, I don't think even you believe what you said.

They are at the peak of their athletic prowess, but that is about it.

 

I don't even think they have peaked in terms of attraction, as they still have a boyish look to them.

It is my impression that most women(at least in Europe) prefer the more masculine look that comes in the early 30's.

 

 

At that time in their lives, most men have not settled in their career(some haven't even started one), and marriage and family is not a driving concern.

They are still in party mode, and enjoy the wilder side of life.

 

A man's peak comes when he reaches the best combination of looks,maturity and career potential.

 

It most Definitely does not happen in the mid-20's, as you assert, and I would ask men on LS to offer us their opinions on this.

 

As for D's attractiveness, I already stated(prior to yourself) that she is an lovely woman, so I don't know what to add.

 

However, for family purposes, she is competing with women who are younger.

Many of them are just as attractive and with the added plus of youth.

Are they as interesting?

I would assume many of them are.

And for me, age is a considerable factor.

I accept that for a certain limited number of men it may not be important.

 

However, I really think a lot of women in this forum need to re-think things through if they think there will be numerous men seeking to form relationships with older women.

 

 

Many women on LS take such comments as an insult, when they should just accept them as reality.

 

The advice I gave D is the same I would give to a sister.

I give this advice from the perspective of a 38 year old man.

You offer advice from the viewpoint of a mid twenties young woman.

It is logical that you will see things differently.

 

CHeers,

[Balthazar]

Rachel Hunter, who is 38 years old, and engaged to the NHL player, aged 26, disagrees with you. Her fiance disagrees with you also.

 

So does the woman at my workplace who had a baby in March at age 39 with her husband, aged 35....and on and on and on and on.

 

Marsha Cross got married and had twins at age 42. So...ummm...hmmm....

 

Yes, this came up in our other thread also.

 

Honestly, what odds do the men and women of LS give this marriage of lasting over a period of years?

 

I would really like to know your opinions.

[Balthazar]

Yes, that's happened in the past- where I've met someone and our idea of humour doesn't click. That makes it hard to "connect" - and it's nobody's fault or anything. It does nothing to enhance chemistry when two people approach humour in different ways.

 

I love to laugh and make others laugh- so of course I would like to meet someone on the same wave length in terms of humour.

 

I see once again the thread has diminished to questioning the limitations and datability of older women.... That's getting rather tiresome.

 

I'm not going to defend my age as a limitation that means I have to settle for something less than a great relationship.

 

I'm not concerned about age- I'm looking for substance and compatibility.

I am also not looking for a "perfect man"... I am fine with imperfect. I prefer it.

 

It just bothers me that all my friends in relationships, getting engaged, married, having babies...seem to think the best advice to give me is to "settle" for second best. Why wouldn't they give that advice? Many of them are living it. I can tell you- many of my married friends are unhappy, or they are staying together because of the kids- some are having affairs, or marrying for financial stability.... I see that- and I just don't want that.

 

One of my close friends is getting married next year to a guy she hasn't had sex with in 3 months. They live together- co-exist as friends... she's 28 and he's 33.... She's miserable without the sex aspect of their relationship- but she's going to marry him anyway because she likes the financial stability and the companionship aspect of it (they are both sucessful). I'm on the phone with her 3 times a week listening to her cry about how her fiance doesn't want to have sex with her, how it makes her feel unattractive and unwanted. BUT- she's going to settle and marry him.

 

I see it all around me- and I just don't want that for myself.

 

I didn't see this post D.

 

But if that is how you feel, why are you discussing the matter?

 

Don't settle , and continue to live your life as you see fit.

 

There is honesty and integrity in this decision.

 

I was under the impression that you want to "settle down" and was offering my ideas on this issue.

 

Concerning the limitations of older women, well, you can't expect that not to come up.

 

If a guy doesn't bring it up, a women would have.

It is not an insult.

To believe that age does not limit you is wishful thinking in the extreme.

 

This type of thinking is fine in your 20's, but wrong in your late 30's.

Age affects all of us. We are, after all, in a race against time.

You cannot breach these basic laws of nature with impunity.

Age is a prime consideration in male-female relationships;always was, always will be.

 

CHeers,

[Woggle]

I agree with 90% of what Vonerick and Balthazar say but you guys need to stop insulting older women. Age really doesn't matter that much.

[Balthazar]

I agree with 90% of what Vonerick and Balthazar say but you guys need to stop insulting older women. Age really doesn't matter that much.

 

Woggle, where do I insult women?

 

 

Set me straight and I will retract.

[Green]

I think you should settle. Instead of just you in the pictures we could see, you and some balding old heavy guy with a mustache... I bet he'd be really funny. When you closed ur eyes the sex might feel good just don't look at him naked to long in the light... I got that from a sex in the city episode where one of the girls was setling for a rich old guy till she some him naked in the light and had to run... hahah but seriously it would be kind of hot to think about Dlish setling with some polk

[Jersey Shortie]

KMT, since you like the idea so much why don't you date the old balding gross man yourself then?

 

I have yet to see any man here address this. What incentive do men give women to give to them, raise familes with them, and love them if men only see then as depreciating values and leering at 20 year olds when they are well above this age themselves? If men think women that get older are worthless, exactly waht incentive are you giving any woman, young or old to be able to have trust in you and your loyatly and to respect and really love her? Because from what alot of guys are saying here, you really aren't giving any woman any incentive to really want to form any kind of deep and lasting relationship with a man. Perhaps men just have a very little desire to act with any respect, kindness or intregrity towards women.

 

The advice I gave D is the same I would give to a sister.

 

So you have as much respect for your sister as you do for the belittle "advice" you want to try and give the women here.

 

 

Age affects all of us. We are, after all, in a race against time.

You cannot breach these basic laws of nature with impunity.

Age is a prime consideration in male-female relationships;always was, always will be.

 

Yeap, I agree with this. This happens to women and men. I think men should also be realistic about their options. I have had some 40 year old men hit on me that I would never give the time of day and that I can't even begin to understand how they thought they would have a chance with me.

[Walk]

I think you should settle. Instead of just you in the pictures we could see, you and some balding old heavy guy with a mustache... I bet he'd be really funny.

 

This coming from the guy who wouldn't even talk to an obese chick?

 

Same guy who is pursuing a "hot" girl, but only because she's "hot".

[Balthazar]

KMT, since you like the idea so much why don't you date the old balding gross man yourself then?

 

So you have as much respect for your sister as you do for the belittle "advice" you want to try and give the women here.

 

Yeap, I agree with this. This happens to women and men. I think men should also be realistic about their options. I have had some 40 year old men hit on me that I would never give the time of day and that I can't even begin to understand how they thought they would have a chance with me.

 

At least I give advice. What you enjoy doing is to moan about how you don't like what I and other male posters say.

Why not ignore us and just state what you want ?

But that doesn't satisy you.

You need to take other people's words and twist them for your own use.

 

Whether you agree with my opinion or not, I am discussing the topic of the thread. YOU ARE NOT.

You are just launching yet another attack on a male LS member(myself).

Will you contain yourself to just addressing the issue and offering your opinion?

 

As for 40 year olds hitting on you, I am not sure what you want to hear.

 

If you don't find them attractive, don't give them the time of day.

It is your right.

 

You say men should be "realistic about their options"

 

You are echoing my sentiments exactly, but once again, are you actually answering D's question or just venting your own frustration?

 

CHeers,

[Walk]

At least I give advice. What you enjoy doing is to moan about how you don't like what I and other male posters say.

 

Whether you agree with my opinion or not, I am discussing the topic of the thread. YOU ARE NOT.

I agree with JS. And she is discussing this topic.. you just aren't understanding how it applies.

 

You implied in your previous post that mail order brides were more traditional, and therefore more desirable. That in order to be valued by men, then women need to be domestic servants.

 

So far, it seems the sentiment from some men on this thread is that the only way to have a successful relationship is for a woman to be subserviant to a man's needs.. cooking, cleaning, focusing on HIS career, putting her energy into making HIS life easier. JS is simply asking WHY would a woman do this if she is not getting a life long commitment from a man. She may get a temporary committment but nothing stable or secure for decades.

 

Which would make it senseless for D-Lish to put her efforts into finding a mate if what he's seeking is a maid. She won't get as much benefit from the relationship as the man would get. Which makes it irrational to attach herself to any man. And unlike some countries that still do not accept women into the workforce, in america we can earn as much or more then our male counter parts. We are not dependant on his income in order to survive. In the past, that is why we traded domestic duties for his salary. Because we could not earn it ourselves. Now we can... so what do men offer us? Not security, not stability, not commitment. What do you offer women?

[stillafool]

It is clear we totally disagree.

The brides are not "mail order" as you say.

They are women working in the area who have immigrated from Eastern Countries.

I currently live in Greece.

They are very attractive women and come from countries that are poor(well, not that poor anymore with petrol at 120 bucks!) but culturally rich.

They are more traditional in outlook, differing quite a bit from modern, Western style women.

Do not speak condescendingly about them; I assure you they are formidable as women; beautiful, feminine, and more traditional in their behavior towards men.

 

They have become very popular with the local men.

(are the local men desperate? No, they are just horny; aren't guys in the US and Canada the same?)

 

Second, to say that men peak in their mid twenties has a superficial logic to it.

In fact, I don't think even you believe what you said.

They are at the peak of their athletic prowess, but that is about it.

 

I don't even think they have peaked in terms of attraction, as they still have a boyish look to them.

It is my impression that most women(at least in Europe) prefer the more masculine look that comes in the early 30's.

 

 

At that time in their lives, most men have not settled in their career(some haven't even started one), and marriage and family is not a driving concern.

They are still in party mode, and enjoy the wilder side of life.

 

A man's peak comes when he reaches the best combination of looks,maturity and career potential.

 

It most Definitely does not happen in the mid-20's, as you assert, and I would ask men on LS to offer us their opinions on this.

 

As for D's attractiveness, I already stated(prior to yourself) that she is an lovely woman, so I don't know what to add.

 

However, for family purposes, she is competing with women who are younger.

Many of them are just as attractive and with the added plus of youth.

Are they as interesting?

I would assume many of them are.

And for me, age is a considerable factor.

I accept that for a certain limited number of men it may not be important.

 

However, I really think a lot of women in this forum need to re-think things through if they think there will be numerous men seeking to form relationships with older women.

 

 

Many women on LS take such comments as an insult, when they should just accept them as reality.

 

The advice I gave D is the same I would give to a sister.

I give this advice from the perspective of a 38 year old man.

You offer advice from the viewpoint of a mid twenties young woman.

It is logical that you will see things differently.

 

CHeers,

 

 

I really don't know how you can tell women what we find attractive. I agree that men are bestlooking in their 20's. Just like men think women look their best in their 20's. Why do you find that hard to believe? Women love the "boyish" look. Most women here in the states are even turned off by too much facial and body hair. Aren't men most virile in their 20's also? They also aren't bitter like older men who have been hurt and blame their problems on women.

[stillafool]

So far, it seems the sentiment from some men on this thread is that the only way to have a successful relationship is for a woman to be subserviant to a man's needs.. cooking, cleaning, focusing on HIS career, putting her energy into making HIS life easier. JS is simply asking WHY would a woman do this if she is not getting a life long commitment from a man. She may get a temporary committment but nothing stable or secure for decades.

 

 

 

After reading your posts I have to ask myself "What in the hell does a man have to offer a woman but a lifetime of hard work?" Having and taking care of his kids, cooking, cleaning, washing clothes nonstop, focusing on HIS career and making HIS life easy. Gosh, I need a nap just reading this. Then if that's not enough when she's over 40 - find a young thing to cheat around on her with. Although I am married I have to say marriage is a much better deal for men than women. No wonder married women die sooner than single women. Damn our hormones that make us want to marry and go to an early grave.

[Green]

I think its very romantic for a 40 year old man who has the money to provide for a wife to travel to a crppy country and take her to the US. Those philipine chicks are smokin hot to. A woman would never... or almost never be willing to bring some crppy country man over and provide for him... so I say you have to settle then. Look I find it pretty funny that when I suggest D-lish get with some balding out of shape guy (who loved her) and was funny and a little older then what shes used to maybe 50 or 60 that every one was up in arms... she may grow to really like it. Geez people I never said he had to broke... or least I hope I didn't. So it is not I who is ridiculous it is you if you want to pretend men and women have the same tastes and options... womens sexual power is highly front loaded... men have there options a little more spread out through life.

[Balthazar]

I really don't know how you can tell women what we find attractive. I agree that men are bestlooking in their 20's. Just like men think women look their best in their 20's. Why do you find that hard to believe? Women love the "boyish" look. Most women here in the states are even turned off by too much facial and body hair. Aren't men most virile in their 20's also? They also aren't bitter like older men who have been hurt and blame their problems on women.

 

Interesting that you should say that.

Because we just concluded a 50-page thread(question for guys 40-50) where women were telling us EXACTLY what type of women we find attractive, despite our valiant efforts to disagree with them.

 

Men are more virile in their 20's than 30's. But they are even more virile in their late teens, which is their sexual peak actually.

As for bitter older men, I think there are a great number of bitter men and women out there.

 

 

I think there is a clear communication problem here.

I am stating my opinion BUT clearly stressing that I respect all others.

My attitude is clearly to live and let live.

I am not trying to change anyone, nor I am not launching personal attacks.

 

On the other hand, some female posters who don't agree with me are making it quite personal and are answering with an unconcealed vehemence.

 

So who do you think is actually bitter?

[Balthazar]

I agree with JS. And she is discussing this topic.. you just aren't understanding how it applies.

 

You implied in your previous post that mail order brides were more traditional, and therefore more desirable. That in order to be valued by men, then women need to be domestic servants.

 

So far, it seems the sentiment from some men on this thread is that the only way to have a successful relationship is for a woman to be subservient to a man's needs.. cooking, cleaning, focusing on HIS career, putting her energy into making HIS life easier. JS is simply asking WHY would a woman do this if she is not getting a life long commitment from a man. She may get a temporary commitment but nothing stable or secure for decades.

 

Which would make it senseless for D-Lish to put her efforts into finding a mate if what he's seeking is a maid. She won't get as much benefit from the relationship as the man would get. Which makes it irrational to attach herself to any man. And unlike some countries that still do not accept women into the workforce, in america we can earn as much or more then our male counter parts. We are not dependant on his income in order to survive. In the past, that is why we traded domestic duties for his salary. Because we could not earn it ourselves. Now we can... so what do men offer us? Not security, not stability, not commitment. What do you offer women?

 

I would expect you to agree with JS.

And I understand completly, I just don't appreciate conversations with people who twist every single word to suit their needs.

 

First of all, I never mentioned ANYTHING about mail order brides, that was another poster(Shadowplay).

 

I referred to a great number of legal immigrants from former Eastern Bloc countries.

 

I mentioned these women were more "traditional" and that implies much more than you state.

 

It implies a mentality where they care for their husband's needs.

It is ,of course, a given that the husband also cares for his wife's needs.

 

These women work and have lives of their own, yet at the same time retain a strong sense of loyalty to their husband.

Combined with the fact that many of these Eastern women are quite beautiful, it is easy to understand why they are popular.

 

Why on earth would any man not wish his wife to have such qualities?

 

The only thing holding them back is the differences in culture which are still important and serve as a barrier.

 

Second, you mention that there is no reason for D to become a maid.

 

Again, I neither said this nor implied it.

So, there is no need for me to provide you with any answer.

 

Finally, you state that men have nothing to offer you.

 

If you truly believe that, then we are in dire straights indeed.

 

I guess ours is a generation destined to be live alone and die alone, because that seems to be where we are headed.

 

Cheers,

[vonerik012]

Some men like more traditional females, and roles .. So?

 

It is up to each women to decide what kind of life she wants. Work and split everything equally? Both work, both pay half the bills, both do half the cooking, both do half the cleaning, both raise the kids and quit working at different times, etc etc.

 

 

Personally that is too chaotic for me. But if I met the right woman, and everything is 50/50 down the middle, I would settle for that. However, I would rather have a division of roles and responsibilities. Marriage is a risk for all. I suppose the man might leave her, and she has less work experience as she was taking care of the man. Or she might leave him, and take half his stuff. If you want complete safety stay single.

 

I have found that more traditional females have no problem getting married. Heck, men even travel overseas to find them.

 

You women would learn a lot more if you listened to what men want, instead of telling them what they SHOULD want.

 

Only immature and ignorant young females refer to foreign women as "mail order brides". Maybe they are just jealous that these women are more intelligent, feminine, educated, beautiful, and more desirable to many American men than the average American girl who has high expectations with little to offer.

[soserious1]

Some men like more traditional females, and roles .. So?

 

It is up to each women to decide what kind of life she wants. Work and split everything equally? Both work, both pay half the bills, both do half the cooking, both do half the cleaning, both raise the kids and quit working at different times, etc etc.

 

 

Personally that is too chaotic for me. But if I met the right woman, and everything is 50/50 down the middle, I would settle for that. However, I would rather have a division of roles and responsibilities. Marriage is a risk for all. I suppose the man might leave her, and she has less work experience as she was taking care of the man. Or she might leave him, and take half his stuff. If you want complete safety stay single.

 

I have found that more traditional females have no problem getting married. Heck, men even travel overseas to find them.

 

You women would learn a lot more if you listened to what men want, instead of telling them what they SHOULD want.

 

Only immature and ignorant young females refer to foreign women as "mail order brides". Maybe they are just jealous that these women are more intelligent, feminine, educated, beautiful, and more desirable to many American men than the average American girl who has high expectations with little to offer.

 

 

Men are perfectly free to their preferences and of course are also free to go abroad to seek women.

 

As for myself I've learned that aside from sex men really have nothing to offer me that I don't already provide for myself so I'll opt for safety and stay single.

[soserious1]

I would expect you to agree with JS.

 

 

Finally, you state that men have nothing to offer you.

 

If you truly believe that, then we are in dire straights indeed.

 

I guess ours is a generation destined to be live alone and die alone, because that seems to be where we are headed.

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

I cook for and clean up after myself,I support myself, heck I supported a man for years. I have my own toolbox and know how to use every tool in it, I tune up my own car and can change a flat. Aside from sex, I really don't need or want anything from men.