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My ex and I went out for 3 years and broke up about 1 month or so ago...we talked about everything and our future, you name it we spoke about it and we've done it all..travel have fun do girl stuff do guy stuff wow it was awesome. We went through a bunch of break ups and dumb relationship moments but then again what is a relationship without all that...I noticed for the last couple of months she was acting a bit weird...Sex life wasn't the greatest during this time...

 

one day i get to her house and she says we should break up because she doesn't feel the same anymore..she really cares about me but not the same way and I sort of felt the same way to because it seemed like we were stopped so i wasn't as happy neither...of course we tried seen each other a few times but it was a bit awkward..i guess we were just a bit weirded out that we broke up since we were to close to each other...I believe I was the one that made the relationship less fullfilling...i was less open minded and outgoing and we felt more like friends than a couple l should have gone out my way and do things instead of leaving them for another day...

 

Shes told me that I was the best thing that happened to her and im so good for her and good to her and she wishes things were back to normal... we then spoke and came to the conclusion that we should move on and it would be the best for the both of us...

 

however we have been through so much that honetly i can't stop thinking about her and I have this feeling in my gut that she has to think of me at least once a day...shes dating and so am i but things aren't the same. We are in the same circle of friends and I've heard that she doesn't like to see me around..i don't know the reason why

 

but anyways...should I let her go..i mean i feel like she is my trophy and I too feel like she is the best thing that has happened to me...Im dating and I haven't contacted her for a couple of weeks...i know shes probably dating someone else like i said...but what do you guys suggest...

 

my theory is that if there was love once there can be love again but I just need to get it back... she is a bit stubborn so it will be a bit hard and at the sametime I just can't make someone love me again over night but I believe there is always a chance...weather its something that happens in a movie or a typical everyday occasion of getting back together...

 

help me out here guys and thanks for you support...

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yep you sed it it isnt a relationship if you dont have fights arguments jealousy break ups and make ups and all that stuff....if you have been with htis person for a while it is hard to let go and there might be times that either person feels overwhelmed or even scared because of all the problems and think they are going to explode and that makes them confused...trust me.. i was doubting if i still loved my ex but it was maybe because of how things were goint between us.....problems and arguments always confuse us....if you cant let go of your ex than dont let her go... try to talk again with her...and explain to her what you have in mind..if there is still love even a little bit from bth sides iits worth it to give it another try... damn i should follow my own advice....im just scared i guess.. like everyone here... :o

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the only mistake I did was that I would try and contact her after the break up...also when i found out that she was dating someone else i said a few things I shouldn't have said and been more of a man about it. I did follow all that with a e card apologizing and wishing her the best and that we should be in good terms because there is no reason for us to hate each other since we've been through so many good things and all that sort of stuff...

 

we had planned to go key west in a couple of weeks with 3 couples...me and her would have been one of them...she isn't going anymore but thats understandable even though she had ask me to go when we first broke up =/

 

How ever it seems like she is dating this guy she likes... if i see her with this guy or we decide to hang out should I not like him just because he is dating her...or should i act cool...i know some women like when guys fight for them...others tend not to like it and like to be left alone...

 

I am trying to give it sometime before contacting her but I'm just afraid that it might be too late...obviously I am more interested in her then she is in me and even though it was her idea to cut of the relationship and my friends say to forget about her, I can't just do that...i know there are tons of women out there and maybe i will find a better one....but for the time been, that hasn't shown...Im having a good time been single but there is nothing like going home to your fifi lol..

 

any advice on trying to make contact with her or getting her attention...honestly i don't want to get back with her this split second, but I just want to know I can call her and talk and be comfortable again..

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IMO

 

if you really love her dont ever give up.

 

just make sure you want her back becourse you love her and not becourse you are attached to her after spending so long time together.

 

i think you should try to get closer to her by starting out as friends again, dont make her think you are desperate for her but show her your still there, call her from time to time but make it short and dont talk about feelings.

 

and give it some time before you try anything, to start out with you should hope for the best but expect the worst.. for the moment try to forget about her and do something for yourself, change a few things in your life to the better and when the time is right.. few weeks maybe then try again, just go really slow when you try again and dont scare her off.

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"All is fare in love and war"

 

No choice you will ever make is fool proof. Hind sight is 20/20. You do what in the end if it never works out...you can live with.

 

Some people need to try everything before they can accept that it just won't work. And some people rather not try and accept it as dead even though they want more.

 

Best of luck.

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I definately don't want her back because I got use to her...I want back because I care for her and we were like best friends and could do anything around each other. She is not perfect, she is a pain at times...but no one is perfect and her bad sides of her personality do not compensate for the good ones...

 

For now I dont think im going to give up...like u guys said...its better to know that I tried and did everything possible then say wow, I should have done this or that. My motto is that nothing is impossible.

 

but off course everything in life requires time...i want to be apart the most possible even though that sounds irrational but i think that would be better then chasing all day everyday....

 

I emailed her today and we've talked a bit...u know just a normal convo..hows the fam say hi...and just talking but nothing about us...i feel like we shouldn't jump into that convo and take things slower...

 

any other things i should engage in? i mean should i be sweet to her or just be the normal guy but with history and have some sort of vibe going on....?

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Look like you said. Give it time. Give it it's space. Can't force something into your image. Let it come natural, if it's meant to be it's meant to be.

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I definately don't want her back because I got use to her...I want back because I care for her and we were like best friends and could do anything around each other. She is not perfect, she is a pain at times...but no one is perfect and her bad sides of her personality do not compensate for the good ones...

 

For now I dont think im going to give up...like u guys said...its better to know that I tried and did everything possible then say wow, I should have done this or that. My motto is that nothing is impossible.

 

but off course everything in life requires time...i want to be apart the most possible even though that sounds irrational but i think that would be better then chasing all day everyday....

 

I emailed her today and we've talked a bit...u know just a normal convo..hows the fam say hi...and just talking but nothing about us...i feel like we shouldn't jump into that convo and take things slower...

 

any other things i should engage in? i mean should i be sweet to her or just be the normal guy but with history and have some sort of vibe going on....?

Im in a similar situation with my ex. i wanted to stay close but knew i shouldnt. i have had limited contact and tried to kind of guage where hes at- he doesnt want to talk, only text. to me....that says nothing has changed on his part.

If she wants you back, shes gonna realize it by herself. you cant DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO CHANGE HER MIND. You want it to come from her. If you persuade her to get back together, wont you always wonder if you just convinced her to date you? Wouldnt it be better to know she really wants this?

Sometimes time and space is what people need to realize what they had. and sometimes that just doesnt happen. So your job in this is to accept its over, try to live without her. Let any contact come from her. and if she changes her mind, then she does. If she doesnt....then hopefully by living your life you will find something better.

I should copyright this stuff.....or listen to my own advice!!! :D haha

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and about the giving up part Nowhereman- i dont think i can give up for now either. No one says you have to, in my opinion. I think you should expect the worst, definitely. Because expecting the best may disappoint you all over again later on. But at the same time, you're going to believe what you want. and if you can have that hope but just not let it dictate your life....then more power to you.

Thats what im gonna try to do. Right now i beleive that my ex is confused as to what he wants and needs to find his own answers. i believe he will realize. but im not gonna stop my life while he figures his own sh*t out. Thats just not fair to ME. and while i do what i gotta do to get by, if i figure out theres someone better for me....then ok. if he comes back, then ill figure out how i feel about it then. i know its easier said than done, but 2 months of this fighting with myself and a therapist later...its basically the only thing i can do.

If you need to talk, let me know. Also, look at some of my threads or where ive recently posted.....there is some seriously great advice. if you cant find it, let me know and ill send it to you- i printed it out and keep it with me when i get a little off track.

i really feel for u dude, REALLY REALLY DO! xo

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that was for Tobe not nowhereman....sorry! :)

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my ex asked me to wait for him but the other day i found out he was alreadi with another girl.. a friend of mines saw they holding hands at the fair, they tell me shes ugly and is taller than my x...but i guess he does like her like that.. his mom told me that he said she was a boring girl but hes still with her so he probably just wants to hit it and quit it then come back to me and act like nothing happened...watever! so now after hearing all that i dont wanna wait up for him.. hell no...and i wont contact him....

 

i say that you shouldnt contact her as much make her miss you

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Im not standing around waiting for her to come back...I hang out with friends, go to bars flirt, meet girls...no way im not like that...I try to make contact with her just because I feel like since I am the man i should be going after what i want...almost like a tiger in the wild lol...

 

the thing is that I don't really like to contact her since she doesn't contact me... I asked her out to breakfast and a little adventure Friday morning but she said that shes too busy that she gets home sleeps and wakes up just in time for work...I always had little crazy spontaneous adventurous things in mind to do but aparently shes not that interested. What I mean by that is that I like to add my own touch of things...for example lets not just go catch breakfast at BK lol..lets catch breakfast and eat it in a park and walk talk crap have sex if the mood is right etc... obviously thats not what I had in mind since we arent together but maybe a little fiendly breakfast

 

anyways...it makes perfect sense to let her make the decision to come back since it was her choice, but at the sametime I find it contradicting to completely lose all sorts of contact with the one you care for. I mean why not do a little something every once in a while to make her think of you. Otherwise how do u really get someone back if your completely gone 24/7...especially in a bit city....ive always had that gut in me that when I want something u go for it...they are stradegies involves and lots of other things but I still find it hard to believe that 100 percet No Contact works all the time...there will always be that what if feeling involved and u didn't do nothing about it !

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Im not standing around waiting for her to come back...I hang out with friends, go to bars flirt, meet girls...no way im not like that...I try to make contact with her just because I feel like since I am the man i should be going after what i want...almost like a tiger in the wild lol...

 

the thing is that I don't really like to contact her since she doesn't contact me... I asked her out to breakfast and a little adventure Friday morning but she said that shes too busy that she gets home sleeps and wakes up just in time for work...I always had little crazy spontaneous adventurous things in mind to do but aparently shes not that interested. What I mean by that is that I like to add my own touch of things...for example lets not just go catch breakfast at BK lol..lets catch breakfast and eat it in a park and walk talk crap have sex if the mood is right etc... obviously thats not what I had in mind since we arent together but maybe a little fiendly breakfast

 

anyways...it makes perfect sense to let her make the decision to come back since it was her choice, but at the sametime I find it contradicting to completely lose all sorts of contact with the one you care for. I mean why not do a little something every once in a while to make her think of you. Otherwise how do u really get someone back if your completely gone 24/7...especially in a bit city....ive always had that gut in me that when I want something u go for it...they are stradegies involves and lots of other things but I still find it hard to believe that 100 percet No Contact works all the time...there will always be that what if feeling involved and u didn't do nothing about it !

 

In my opinion, you are better off to disappear for a month or two. She cannot miss you if you are always around. Let her know what life without you is like. She will not forget you in a couple of months, don't even worry about that. Let her decide what she wants. You cannot make someone love you. Step back and give her space and like I said, disappear. She will notice and maybe miss you.

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well i've thought of that but right now she is living without me...shes on her own..she doesnt have me so she knows that life without me is...thats my point of view...so i mean i do believe in the no contact... but at the sametime i think it can backfire...i mean doesnt it sound good just to feel confident...date others...pretend like u don't care in a way but also do little things for her...a note here and there will make her think about u and what they don't have that they use to have...

 

i just feel like if you lose complete contact for like a bunch of months we will really do other things when my goal is to bring her back...unless i find someone else...

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I've said this 100 times and I will say it again (Foxh1234 will back me on this). If they really want to be with you, neither hell nor high water will stop them from finding you.

 

They know where you are.

They know how to reach you.

They have your phone number, email and IM info.

They haven't forgotten who you are. Trust me.

 

So why aren't they contacting you? Because simply put they DON'T want you, at least not right now. No amount of crying, begging, pleading or what not will change that. Especially if they've found someone new. So what are you gaining by remaining in contact or being friends with them?

 

Answer? NOTHING but pain and hurt for you and being a general annoyance to them. A pest, so to speak.

 

Look, Foxh1234 is a great example of what happens when you put YOURSELF first. Because in reality, WE are the only one's responsible for our wants, needs and happiness. Not your S/O or ex-S/O. Fox showed that though he was hurting a lot from what his ex did, he let her go. And you know what, she tracked him down at least three times to try and repair the damage. Obviously for Fox, that damage was non-repairable and he stuck to his guns. For a long time though, she wasn't running to Fox when things were going great. She wasn't saying she missed him or needed him in her life. Nope. She ran off with another man.

 

My point is that when ex's have doubts, THEY WILL FIND YOU. You don't have to worry about reminding them you still exist. They have not forgotten how to reach you. If you continue to get into their space, you will only serve to cause resentment in their eyes. Them not calling is a big sign they don't want to talk to you.

 

Think about it. Why would you waste your time chasing someone who doesn't want to be caught by you? Why would you continue to beat your head against the wall pursing the unobtainable?

 

All that does is STOP the right person from walking into you’re your life. How are you ever going to see Ms Right standing in front of you when you're constantly staring behind you, at the past?

 

Ponder that for a while….

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I've said this 100 times and I will say it again (Foxh1234 will back me on this). If they really want to be with you, neither hell nor high water will stop them from finding you.

 

They know where you are.

They know how to reach you.

They have your phone number, email and IM info.

They haven't forgotten who you are. Trust me.

 

So why aren't they contacting you? Because simply put they DON'T want you, at least not right now. No amount of crying, begging, pleading or what not will change that. Especially if they've found someone new. So what are you gaining by remaining in contact or being friends with them?

 

Answer? NOTHING but pain and hurt for you and being a general annoyance to them. A pest, so to speak.

 

Look, Foxh1234 is a great example of what happens when you put YOURSELF first. Because in reality, WE are the only one's responsible for our wants, needs and happiness. Not your S/O or ex-S/O. Fox showed that though he was hurting a lot from what his ex did, he let her go. And you know what, she tracked him down at least three times to try and repair the damage. Obviously for Fox, that damage was non-repairable and he stuck to his guns. For a long time though, she wasn't running to Fox when things were going great. She wasn't saying she missed him or needed him in her life. Nope. She ran off with another man.

 

My point is that when ex's have doubts, THEY WILL FIND YOU. You don't have to worry about reminding them you still exist. They have not forgotten how to reach you. If you continue to get into their space, you will only serve to cause resentment in their eyes. Them not calling is a big sign they don't want to talk to you.

 

Think about it. Why would you waste your time chasing someone who doesn't want to be caught by you? Why would you continue to beat your head against the wall pursing the unobtainable?

 

All that does is STOP the right person from walking into you’re your life. How are you ever going to see Ms Right standing in front of you when you're constantly staring behind you, at the past?

 

Ponder that for a while….

 

Now thats deep, It it makes total sense, I now wanna try NC.

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Caliguy...Everything you say..I agree with 100% and am applying it. I don't call, don't bother, don't even hope to see him out...I just want nothing to do with him because he doesn't want to give me what I want. We both agreed to go NC, he says while he is away for a few weeks but I told him it needs to be permanent. He wants to call me when he gets back, if I know him....he will.

 

I'm not someone he's known his whole life. Yes we have become very close but it's a relationship he can have with anyone else. He knows I want more, he said right now he can't (but really means doesn't want to)give me more....it's not something he can try but wants me to try being his friend. I told him no.

 

He's saying right now he just wants to be friends so ok fine I don't case closed, we are not going to be friends. This is a cycle and there are only two ways to break the cycle...get serious and really give it a try or cut everything off completely. I am choosing to cut everything off completely. He wants to be friends...my question is why does he want to continue with a "friendship" that we both know will never just be a friendship, it'll just continue the same pattern.

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CaliGuy I would have to agree with you as well for the most part. Why go after someone that doesn't want you...your right your just hurting yourself. Like i said before, I have my eyes open and if someone comes along I probably wont hesitate and move on. But reliaty is that I still care about this girl. And I know it always takes 2 to tangle, but i feel like I was the one that started making the relationship not fullfilling anymore...I mean im sure there is a part in her but I feel like I should have been more into her and doing things and enjoying each other...like i said sex wasn't the greatest for about a month. We were lazy, we would just hang out with friends, talk about things but never really do them, things weren't just the same. I remeber when we first met or when we would break up and get back 2gether we would do anything enjoy each others company, play around...too much to mention...

 

And even worse I feel that since I am the man here I should have stepped up a bit more and make **** happen. Thats why girls like to have a "MAN"

 

I know she has my contact info and can contact me at anytime but she doesn't...but I would like doing random things that makes people ponder and BS apart girls like all that "cute" little random stuff...

 

I mean if i go NC 100% wouldn't that be intensionally to get over someone(if they cheated on you, abuse, complete messed up relationship)...life is too short to just let things free and wait for them to come back...I know what i want and when i see it I go for it..imean NC does work but nothing is ever 100%. Like someone mentioned, i think it depends on how and why you broke up. I think I need a little of it since I was a bit after her when we broke up...you just need to use the correct stradegy dont you think?

 

thanks for the support guys & gals...

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The correct strategy is to take care of yourself, as that is all you really have control over. You have ZERO control over your ex. She's going to do what she wants/needs to make her happy and if that means dating someone else, she will.

 

Make yourself happy. Take care of your needs. If life isn't fun, something is WRONG. So focus on you, make yourself happy and the right people will gravitate towards your life. Nobody wants to hang around someone who is contantly in the dumps. If your ex is effecting you that way, then you need to stand up and take control of your life.

 

Be the MAN as you say. You either control your emotions or they control you.

 

Cheers.

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you can get him back. You just have to give him some space, and be careful with what you do. Try to show him you can be ok without him

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I've said this 100 times and I will say it again (Foxh1234 will back me on this). If they really want to be with you, neither hell nor high water will stop them from finding you.

 

They know where you are.

They know how to reach you.

They have your phone number, email and IM info.

They haven't forgotten who you are. Trust me.

 

So why aren't they contacting you? Because simply put they DON'T want you, at least not right now. No amount of crying, begging, pleading or what not will change that. Especially if they've found someone new. So what are you gaining by remaining in contact or being friends with them?

 

Answer? NOTHING but pain and hurt for you and being a general annoyance to them. A pest, so to speak.

 

Look, Foxh1234 is a great example of what happens when you put YOURSELF first. Because in reality, WE are the only one's responsible for our wants, needs and happiness. Not your S/O or ex-S/O. Fox showed that though he was hurting a lot from what his ex did, he let her go. And you know what, she tracked him down at least three times to try and repair the damage. Obviously for Fox, that damage was non-repairable and he stuck to his guns. For a long time though, she wasn't running to Fox when things were going great. She wasn't saying she missed him or needed him in her life. Nope. She ran off with another man.

 

My point is that when ex's have doubts, THEY WILL FIND YOU. You don't have to worry about reminding them you still exist. They have not forgotten how to reach you. If you continue to get into their space, you will only serve to cause resentment in their eyes. Them not calling is a big sign they don't want to talk to you.

 

Think about it. Why would you waste your time chasing someone who doesn't want to be caught by you? Why would you continue to beat your head against the wall pursing the unobtainable?

 

All that does is STOP the right person from walking into you’re your life. How are you ever going to see Ms Right standing in front of you when you're constantly staring behind you, at the past?

 

Ponder that for a while….

 

100% agree with all CG's wise words. Listen to him folks, he knows of what he speaks.

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well for the most part Im having a good time been single not having to worry about much but myself and having fun and living life!!

 

I know we don't have any physical control over our ex's, I mean **** happens...Im sure she is dating...I mean that bothers but im doing the same and its life...but I mean anything can make a mind change...i believe in the Chaos Theory... I know it's not right to leave flowers at her door step every week lol...but do something that just leaves her curious and thinking every once in a while.... im pretty good with ideas...

 

for now like u said...she knows where i am, she has my info, she just doesn't want anything to do with me...but only people can make things change and if you have 2 people thinking alike...then things will never work out...someone said here...hope for the best but expect the worse that way you don't get hurt and at least i did what ever i though felt right instead of wondering what could have happen if...

 

 

i mean does anyone catch my drift? or should i do completely otherwise...

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well for the most part Im having a good time been single not having to worry about much but myself and having fun and living life!!

 

Then prove it :) Get off LS and go have a good time dating NEW women. There will be lots of them for sure.

 

I know we don't have any physical control over our ex's, I mean **** happens...Im sure she is dating...I mean that bothers but im doing the same and its life...but I mean anything can make a mind change...i believe in the Chaos Theory... I know it's not right to leave flowers at her door step every week lol...but do something that just leaves her curious and thinking every once in a while.... im pretty good with ideas…

 

Every little thing you do, with flowers, cards, reminders, etc for someone who does NOT want to be with you will be looked upon by her as a pathetic attempt to win her back. You can not woo someone back who doesn't feel the same way.

 

You can, however, cement her decision to leave by NOT giving her space and time to miss you. There's an old saying that goes…

 

"You can't make any mistakes with an ex if you aren't around…" In other words, you leave her with space, she is bound to remember some of your good qualities and not be reminded, weekly, of your bad….

 

for now like u said...she knows where i am, she has my info, she just doesn't want anything to do with me...but only people can make things change and if you have 2 people thinking alike...then things will never work out...someone said here...hope for the best but expect the worse that way you don't get hurt and at least i did what ever i though felt right instead of wondering what could have happen if...

 

i mean does anyone catch my drift? or should i do completely otherwise...

 

I catch your drift. The problem is you aren't creating any space between you and giving her a chance to see what life is like without you. If you do and she comes back, great. If not, then there is your answer. It was never meant to be.

 

The trick is to not live your life waiting around for someone who may NEVER come back to you.

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i dont think im living life waiting for her to come back...I won't mind at all moving on with another hot chick that will treat me how I want to.

 

but as of now Im still battling the odds...i know NC will work for sometime but how can that be so effective...

 

I ran into her mom the other day and she told me to just go after her that women are stupid and crazy at time lol...but i told her that I can't just chase her like a gazelle...

 

moving on hell no im not leaving roses every other week and stuff !! but i mean on special occasions...something so that she thinks of me but she knows I didn't do it because I am trying to get her back...i just don't see how NC for months and months and months will work...I think a call out of the blue helps...

 

YES...they have your info and they don't contact you because they don't want to hear from you...but whether is because she is with someone else or just alone that won't change. And like i said if there was love at once there can be love again...no one knows the future...but everyone is nostalgic at times and you can adapt to any changes...

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This is going to be a tad harsh but I think you need to hear it.

 

i dont think im living life waiting for her to come back...I won't mind at all moving on with another hot chick that will treat me how I want to.

 

but as of now Im still battling the odds...i know NC will work for sometime but how can that be so effective…

 

You're still not accepting that it's over and letting go. You keep hoping, wishing that somehow, some way NC is going to drive her back to you. You need to understand that when someone doesn't have those feelings anymore, they may never come back. It takes a long time to rekindle a fire, if that even happens at all, which is a very, very rare occurance.

 

I ran into her mom the other day and she told me to just go after her that women are stupid and crazy at time lol...but i told her that I can't just chase her like a gazelle…

 

Well for one, STOP talking to her mom. That will keep you attached to your ex and stop you from moving on. Also, her mom is telling you what her MOM would like if she were in her daughter's position. The problem is she is NOT your ex and she doesn't think like a young woman would think. She thinks like a much more mature, older woman would. Not anything like your ex.

 

What she is telling you to do, if you were to do it, would extinguish the last embers of ANY fire your ex once had for you. When someone is pulling away from you, the absolute best thing you can do is pull away as well and act like it doesn't bother you (indifference). Even *I* still have yet to completely understand that and put it into practice. Your ex will feel caged if you come off as needy/clingy and try to fix what for all intents and purposes -- she doesn't want fixed.

 

Let go.

 

moving on hell no im not leaving roses every other week and stuff !! but i mean on special occasions...something so that she thinks of me but she knows I didn't do it because I am trying to get her back...i just don't see how NC for months and months and months will work...I think a call out of the blue helps…

 

No, it doesn't help at all unless she is the one keeping in contact with you. If she isn't making contact, if she isn't reaching out to you, it's because she doesn't want to. Sending any reminders will only serve to piss her off.

 

YES...they have your info and they don't contact you because they don't want to hear from you...but whether is because she is with someone else or just alone that won't change. And like i said if there was love at once there can be love again...no one knows the future...but everyone is nostalgic at times and you can adapt to any changes...

 

Why are you assuming if there was love once that it can return? If that were the case, there'd be millions of stories of people getting back together. That's just simply not the case. There was love once with YOU, but there may be love now with someone else which for you my friend simply means the love she had for you has been given to someone else. And odds are, unless she has some major change of heart, her love for you won't return. You need to accept that what's done is done and can not be changed. And even if she was to come back, you'd have to start all over from scratch. It'd have to be a new relationship all over again. You can not just pick up where you left off and think everything is going to be rosey.

 

That's dreamland my friend, not reality.

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