Kamille Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 As someone who gets corrected by grammar-freaks here on LS, I love how many people actually made spelling and grammar mistakes on this one thread. They haven't all been pointed out. Cherry, on some days, I have to send 20-30 emails. I don't always spell-check. When I'm on LS or write to friends (what I consider casual), I rarely spellcheck. I assume these people will be more interested in the content of what I have to say then the way it is delivered. Content is a better measure of intelligence then format. People can judge me for the mistakes I make, I will judge them for failing to see past what is to me nothing but format.
Mustang Sally Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 wud u date someone who writ laik dis? Me, personally? Nope. Not relationship-material for me.
Kamille Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 wud u date someone who writ laik dis? This however is now a writing style and much like accents, would make one reconizavble to others who share the same lifestyle. A group of my friends, who are part of the rap scene, spell like this. Spelling isn't a good measure of intelligence. It is, at best, a measure of likemindedness.
Mustang Sally Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 As someone who gets corrected by grammar-freaks here on LS, I love how many people actually made spelling and grammar mistakes on this one thread. They haven't all been pointed out. I think this is a good point. I certainly do not write everything on here (or in life) according to Little, Brown. I'm just saying that I do like it when a person has a way with language, and especially when they can represent themself intelligently in writing. (I'm sure that sentence, alone, was loaded with technically incorrect grammar and tense!) It rounds out the attraction, so to speak.
Mustang Sally Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Ha! Now I'm laughing at all of my incorrect grammar on here! Ah, well. Always good to be able to laugh at oneself, no?
Mahatma Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 I am only 18, yet I expect girls to be able to spell correctly. When they can't spell temperature or address, it sends a little sliver into my head. It wont automatically make me not be willing to date them, but it lowers my respect.
Shygirl15 Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Ha! Now I'm laughing at all of my incorrect grammar on here! Ah, well. Always good to be able to laugh at oneself, no? Very healthy attitude, infact
Kamille Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Ha! Now I'm laughing at all of my incorrect grammar on here! Ah, well. Always good to be able to laugh at oneself, no? I'll pick on myself: yo chek dis out: This however is now a writing style and much like accents, would make one reconizavble to others who share the same lifestyle. to me.
Trialbyfire Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 This however is now a writing style and much like accents, would make one reconizavble to others who share the same lifestyle. A group of my friends, who are part of the rap scene, spell like this. Spelling isn't a good measure of intelligence. It is, at best, a measure of likemindedness. There's a difference between communications between friends, in an agreed upon manner and communicating with someone who you're trying to date. Until you get to know someone, would you deliberately use this format to create an inaccurate impression of yourself? As for spelling and grammar being a good indicator of intelligence, I perceive it as a good indicator of wanting to communicate effectively and not being too lazy to make the effort. This doesn't mean I expect perfection of grammar and spelling. LS is a messageboard so yes, you can relax but on the otherhand, how can you get advice/opinions if no one can understand you. When I see the wall of text, I ignore those threads.
Kamille Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 There's a difference between communications between friends, in an agreed upon manner and communicating with someone who you're trying to date. Until you get to know someone, would you deliberately use this format to create an inaccurate impression of yourself? What if myself is someone who happens to dig "riting like dis"? Then I am communicating in a manner that will turn off people who don't share my point of view. As for spelling and grammar being a good indicator of intelligence, I perceive it as a good indicator of wanting to communicate effectively and not being too lazy to make the effort. This is your perception of it and means that you are likely to date and/or befriend people who share your perception that good spelling and grammar are indicators of "effective communication" and people who think not making the effort equals "laziness". In other words, like I have mentioned before, spelling is used as a measure of like mindedness and shared social values, not intelligence. When I see the wall of text, I ignore those threads. I've responded to a few of them. Studies from the University of Toronto have shown that today's technologies (Internet, texts, blogs, etc) have increased the younger generation's skills at multi-literacy and multilingualism. In other words, that youths today score better on communication abilities tests then people from my generation or older.
Trialbyfire Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 What if myself is someone who happens to dig "riting like dis"? Then I am communicating in a manner that will turn off people who don't share my point of view.Do you communicate like that on your first point of contact with a guy you'd like to date? If a guy on a dating site were to approach you with this type of message, would you immediately be enthralled with his text and want to date him? This is your perception of it and means that you are likely to date and/or befriend people who share your perception that good spelling and grammar are indicators of "effective communication" and people who think not making the effort equals "laziness". In other words, like I have mentioned before, spelling is used as a measure of like mindedness and shared social values, not intelligence.Compatibility is about shared social values and good grammar/spelling can easily equate to intelligence, at least the IQ kind of intelligence and denote a solid educational background. There's no doubt the two aren't always synonymous which I've never stated if you review my posts within this thread. Btw, we both have perceptions. Do you feel your perception is right? I've responded to a few of them. Studies from the University of Toronto have shown that today's technologies (Internet, texts, blogs, etc) have increased the younger generation's skills at multi-literacy and multilingualism. In other words, that youths today score better on communication abilities tests then people from my generation or older.Please link those studies. You must admit that you can pretty much find a study to support just about any argument you want to give, about pretty much any topic that's ever discussed.
Kamille Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Do you communicate like that on your first point of contact with a guy you'd like to date? If a guy on a dating site were to approach you with this type of message, would you immediately be enthralled with his text and want to date him? I speak a local dialect of French and yes, if I were writing to someone from my region on a dating site, I might throw in a few regionalism, as a joke and as a way to show that I'm from the region. The image I would want to convey is that I am fluent in many varieties of French. If, however, I were writing to someone from another region, I would use a more formal tone. If a guy were to approach me with "rapper style" English or french I would be turned off, but that's because I myself am not into the rap scene. Compatibility is about shared social values and good grammar/spelling can easily equate to intelligence, at least the IQ kind of intelligence and denote a solid educational background. There's no doubt the two aren't always synonymous which I've never stated if you review my posts within this thread. Btw, we both have perceptions. Do you feel your perception is right? I've never stated I don't also have perceptions if you review my posts within this thread . I for one believe that reality is socially mediated through perceptions and discourses on those perceptions, which is why I also believe intelligence (in the forms of IQ tests) is a social construction based on the reproduction of social norms and social classes (who gets to decide what counts as intelligence after all?) Please link those studies. You must admit that you can pretty much find a study to support just about any argument you want to give, about pretty much any topic that's ever discussed. I agree one can use a study to support any argument. I am currently looking through the archives of the Globe and Mail. I think the study was I referred to was cited there. In the meantime, here is the Ontario report on Literacy which stipulates the need to recognize learner's literacy capital (texting for instance) as a means to reaching other forms of literacy (I know it's a long text and it's unfair to use it). The basic principle is that because of contemporary technologies, there has never been a time where youths have used written language more then today. The research I am looking for demonstrates that since children spend most of their days writing, they have an easier time acquiring other varieties of written languages (when (text and email is used as a platform for learning in the classroom, instead of being rejected as improprer english).
Trialbyfire Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 I speak a local dialect of French and yes, if I were writing to someone from my region on a dating site, I might throw in a few regionalism, as a joke and as a way to show that I'm from the region. The image I would want to convey is that I am fluent in many varieties of French. If, however, I were writing to someone from another region, I would use a more formal tone. If a guy were to approach me with "rapper style" English or french I would be turned off, but that's because I myself am not into the rap scene.Familiar v. formal style can make all the difference, when defining how you wish to be perceived, be it in a well-brought up environment where courtesy is viewed in a positive manner and discourtesy is viewed in a negative manner. For example, I would never address a new business contact as "tu". I've never stated I don't also have perceptions if you review my posts within this thread . I for one believe that reality is socially mediated through perceptions and discourses on those perceptions, which is why I also believe intelligence (in the forms of IQ tests) is a social construction based on the reproduction of social norms and social classes (who gets to decide what counts as intelligence after all?)Apparently, we as humans consider ourselves the most intelligent based on our own social constructs. If you challenge the social construct of intelligence, you can also challenge the fire/wheel concepts as well! I mean really, what species is more intelligent, one who destroys the environment they need to live on or one who adapts to the environment? I agree one can use a study to support any argument. I am currently looking through the archives of the Globe and Mail. I think the study was I referred to was cited there. In the meantime, here is the Ontario report on Literacy which stipulates the need to recognize learner's literacy capital (texting for instance) as a means to reaching other forms of literacy (I know it's a long text and it's unfair to use it). The basic principle is that because of contemporary technologies, there has never been a time where youths have used written language more then today. The research I am looking for demonstrates that since children spend most of their days writing, they have an easier time acquiring other varieties of written languages (when (text and email is used as a platform for learning in the classroom, instead of being rejected as improprer english). Arguable again that text speak, leet speak, etc. are valid as proper English. Not everyone uses the identical shortened terms. In order to reach a greater audience, assuming they're all English speaking, formalized text and diction help greatly. Consider how colloquialisms and slang, impact on individuals learning English as a second, third, fourth, etc. language and the amusing/frustrating impacts of misunderstandings.
Author Cherry Blossom 35 Posted August 12, 2008 Author Posted August 12, 2008 As for spelling and grammar being a good indicator of intelligence, I perceive it as a good indicator of wanting to communicate effectively and not being too lazy to make the effort. When I see the wall of text, I ignore those threads. I totally agree with the first statement. Some people may disagree, and that is fine. To each his own. I want the person I am corresponding with to make an effort. This is one sentence from his latest email: "Ut was nice weather. I did have a good weekend, the highligh being a longish bike ride from my house to ******** for lunch and a drink." It? Who can't spell it? Who sends an email without noticing the word "it" is misspelled? Is that asking too much, that a native English speaker know and recognize the correct spelling of "it"? The entire email was 5 sentences long, so I can't imagine it would take that long to edit. Highlight has a "T" at the end.
KinAZ Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 I totally agree with the first statement. Some people may disagree, and that is fine. To each his own. I want the person I am corresponding with to make an effort. This is one sentence from his latest email: "Ut was nice weather. I did have a good weekend, the highligh being a longish bike ride from my house to ******** for lunch and a drink." It? Who can't spell it? Who sends an email without noticing the word "it" is misspelled? Is that asking too much, that a native English speaker know and recognize the correct spelling of "it"? The entire email was 5 sentences long, so I can't imagine it would take that long to edit. Highlight has a "T" at the end. Do you really think he doesn't know how to spell "it"? Maybe you take you more seriously than he does. When I'm in a hurry, the most important thing is that the recipient gets the general idea. And if spelling and punctuation are that important to you, just wait a week or two till I have time to check my homework for errors. Sometimes I don't take the time to reread a message that was only 3 sentences long. I think the recipient would at least appreciate the fact that I took time out to give a speedy reply... If it's THAT bad, just tell him you're not interested because he's too busy to proofread before he presses enter. You said yourself that there's no effort required to correct the misspelling of "it", under normal circumstances, right? You don't think there is a better explanation for that? If you're that convinced that he's just an idiot (since correcting that error wouldn't be too difficult)... I don't know. I guess I'm not getting it...
Mustang Sally Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 If it's THAT bad, just tell him you're not interested because he's too busy to proofread before he presses enter. Exactly. For some of us, such communications in the beginning of a relationship might be perceived as an overall indicator of things beyond "someone too busy to proofread." In addition, "someone too busy to proofread" may actually be undesirable to some of us. Especially if one feels that, in the beginnings of getting to know another potential mate, it is desirable to put one's best foot forward in as many ways as possible.
KinAZ Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Exactly. For some of us, such communications in the beginning of a relationship might be perceived as an overall indicator of things beyond "someone too busy to proofread." In addition, "someone too busy to proofread" may actually be undesirable to some of us. Especially if one feels that, in the beginnings of getting to know another potential mate, it is desirable to put one's best foot forward in as many ways as possible. Oh, I agree that it could be undesirable! If you're looking for a relationship, and the guy is always running around with little time to chat, that could say a lot about the relationship potential. I just thought it was funny that his education was questioned, like he seriously does not know how to spell the word "it"... or had actually proofread the message and still didn't catch.
Carmen87 Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 My boyfriend has a college education and an excellent job. My father is one of the smartest men I know. Neither of them can spell. Some of the smartest people have difficultly spelling, so I don't think it should be a dealbreaker.
Author Cherry Blossom 35 Posted August 12, 2008 Author Posted August 12, 2008 I'm sure he knows how to spell the word "it". I was being a bit facetious, LOL. I just think it is funny. I do not think it is a question of education, as many posters have argued. I understand what they are saying.
Water Tiger 08 Posted August 12, 2008 Posted August 12, 2008 Don't be blind to your own instincts, just move on. If spelling is a big thing to you this man is not one for you. You'll be distracted from making love to him by correcting his grammer during foreplay. I'm a little sarcastic but how far from the truth am I? Water
jadedone Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Have any of you seen the movie Idiocracy? 500 years from now the English language devolve into a mix of slang and hillbilly. Anyone speaking with good grammar will be considered pompous and faggy.
bigmanpayne Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Have any of you seen the movie Idiocracy? 500 years from now the English language devolve into a mix of slang and hillbilly. Anyone speaking with good grammar will be considered pompous and faggy. faggy, lol. what a choice of words
Cheza2920 Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 *blink* I swear I meant to reply to the "Length of Engagement" post....how it ended up here, I have no idea!
Author Cherry Blossom 35 Posted August 13, 2008 Author Posted August 13, 2008 *blink* I swear I meant to reply to the "Length of Engagement" post....how it ended up here, I have no idea! That happened to me once. I replied to a thread and my message was sent to three different places. Then I got a "warning" not to respond to multiple threads with the same message. Doh! I don't know how that happened.
StartingOver07 Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 I've responded to a few of them. Studies from the University of Toronto have shown that today's technologies (Internet, texts, blogs, etc) have increased the younger generation's skills at multi-literacy and multilingualism. In other words, that youths today score better on communication abilities tests then people from my generation or older. Really? I teach business communications for a major university here in the US and it's my experience that the text and im crowd have horrific writing skills. Most seem to think that internet slang like 'ur,' 'i,' 'ne1,' and the like are acceptable in business/academic writing! Certainly, they are not scoring better in class. The occasional typo aside, I see a high correlation between writing well and thinking well. YMMV.
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