vonerik012 Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Many successful people never graduated college. Bill Gates comes to mind. Many people successful in other ways may have joined the armed forces, peace corps, started a business, went to a tech school, became a nurse, etc. Lets face it, if you can spell your name these days, that is almost enough to get accepted into a university that will gladly accept your money. However, if you want to think people are stupid and pathetic for not getting a degree, thats fine. You also have to realize people might view others who live off their mom and dad well into adulthood as pathetic.
Trialbyfire Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 That isn't a stereotypical Italian house anymore. 40+ years ago, yes it was. In Italian cities the mummies boy stereotype no longer exists. In small towns or rural areas you can still find it a lot though and in Southern Italy it will be much more common than in the North. Italian men work full-hour weeks now much more than in the past and don't live at home with their parents until the mid 30s anymore. I'm just going to bold this part. someone who doesn't get an education and moves out, IMO, is more "pathetic" that someone who goes to college and then lives at home. Why must there be one that's better than the other? Is this a competition about who's less pathetic or is it that people are different?
carhill Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 College dropout and lived at home until 25. Mega pathetic
HiItsMe Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Single men typically don't save much. Especially if they are real men, and not living at home with mom. I still get a kick out of calling some of my 30 yr old friends back home, when their mom interrupts the phone conversation by picking up the other line to say dinner is ready, or to yell at him for something. No amount of money would make me want to be in their position. I can honestly say, past the age of 18 I never dated a girl that lived with parents. That is a requirement for me. Past the age of 18...even I Lived with my folks until I was at LEAST out of college (just a note, most kids live with their folks until about 21 -ish....usually while their in college)
AriaIncognito Posted August 9, 2008 Posted August 9, 2008 Nope, never. Edit: Hold it. I have taken out a loan at 0%, then invested the money at a greater percentage. Then sold the investment and paid down the loan. I do this same thing, as a side income so to speak. Good job :-) As for the OP. Here's my take on it. Ultimately, you want someone that has the same financial goals/spending habits as you do. Obviously you two have different savings because he lives on his own while you live with family. However, if he were to live at home, do you think he'd be on the same playing field as you? If yes, then I'd say you dont have anything to worry about. In my experience, it's when you date someone that doesn't have the same ideals regarding it, that you'll run into issues. I'm a very responsible, financially minded person who's been saving for retirement since I was 23 (first full time job) and has been saving for as long as I can remember. I once dated a man for a year who lived at home, but had NO savings, a low paying job, and no aspirations to leave the nest. He and I clearly had different ideas about how to invest/spend etc, and ultimately it was doomed to fail. Since him, I've stayed with the guys that I feel are compatible with me in that arena, as well as other areas.
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 I didn't go to college... I'm a pretty good guy... I put a lot of food on quite a few peoples plates as well as their families plates.. I also do good work and some of that good work has made a mark in society today.. So...I'm not pathetic because I didn't go to college.. If I'm pathetic it would be for another reason other than working my ass off for up to 120 hours a week trying to make a difference You sound like you have no idea how the world works outside of your little universe of LI.. have you ever been to LI? do you know how hard it is to make a living here?
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Many successful people never graduated college. Bill Gates comes to mind. Many people successful in other ways may have joined the armed forces, peace corps, started a business, went to a tech school, became a nurse, etc. Lets face it, if you can spell your name these days, that is almost enough to get accepted into a university that will gladly accept your money. However, if you want to think people are stupid and pathetic for not getting a degree, thats fine. You also have to realize people might view others who live off their mom and dad well into adulthood as pathetic. but nurses need schooling, not necessary collerge but they are required to get a further education post high school if I am not mistaken, tech school is still school...and people who join the army usually do so to get moneyfor college after they complete their service.
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 That's a pretty short-sighted view, Lovestruck. There are many people who don't go to college and manage to create productive lives for themselves and their families. So if Person A doesn't go to college, but works to put food on the table, saves money for a rainy day, and devotes their time to volunteering in the community pathetic? By your definition, they would be. while you are 100% correct, perhaps they'd make more money had they a degree?
Art_Critic Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 have you ever been to LI? do you know how hard it is to make a living here? hahahahahahaha.....
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Lovestruck... I went to college and have a degree. So i am not being defensive. However, for millions, the entire "get a degree" thing is a money making scam. There is little regulation. Schools can turn out 1 million accounting majors a year, knowing there will only be 50,000 job openings. So then suckers are left paying off school debt, without a job. You are a sales girl. Did you really need a degree? Many successful stockbrokers never even went to college, and they make much more money than you. We can all view whomever we want as "pathetic". I view people who live at home until 35 or 40 as pathetic. You view people who did not graduate college as pathetic. I think you said your boyfriend lives at home, doesn't work, and doesn't drive or pay on dates, and he has school loans to pay off. Thats pathetic. I view chronic pot smokers as pathetic, although their friends might not. If you actually had to struggle to make it on your own, you have little respect for people living with mommy and daddy forever. My job only hires people with degrees...I had a friend who applied here, no degree, and HR ripped up his resume right in front of him. It's a competitive world out there and I ams orry to say but the people with the degrees have an advantage and it's so silly not to go.
jerbear Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 My job only hires people with degrees...I had a friend who applied here, no degree, and HR ripped up his resume right in front of him. It's a competitive world out there and I ams orry to say but the people with the degrees have an advantage and it's so silly not to go. Yep, once you have a degree; some ask where you got the degree.
Art_Critic Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 while you are 100% correct, perhaps they'd make more money had they a degree? You need to consider that fact that you live in a bubble.. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when you speak about other people and their lives and how much money they could be making.....
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 I do this same thing, as a side income so to speak. Good job :-) As for the OP. Here's my take on it. Ultimately, you want someone that has the same financial goals/spending habits as you do. Obviously you two have different savings because he lives on his own while you live with family. However, if he were to live at home, do you think he'd be on the same playing field as you? If yes, then I'd say you dont have anything to worry about. In my experience, it's when you date someone that doesn't have the same ideals regarding it, that you'll run into issues. I'm a very responsible, financially minded person who's been saving for retirement since I was 23 (first full time job) and has been saving for as long as I can remember. I once dated a man for a year who lived at home, but had NO savings, a low paying job, and no aspirations to leave the nest. He and I clearly had different ideas about how to invest/spend etc, and ultimately it was doomed to fail. Since him, I've stayed with the guys that I feel are compatible with me in that arena, as well as other areas. Aria, are you renting now? Do you own property?
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 You need to consider that fact that you live in a bubble.. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when you speak about other people and their lives and how much money they could be making..... ok...would you or wouldn't you say someone who has a degree is more marketable? I certainly would. Someone who is more marketable should be paid more money than someone who isn't as marketable. Maybe it depends on the field but most fields that are high paying (MOST, not ALL), prefer a degree, if not require it.
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Yep, once you have a degree; some ask where you got the degree. Yes, although I have found that the paper means more to the company than where you actually got the paper from. It shows you took the initiative to go out and "educate yourself" for the better...and that is attractive. No, having a degree doesn't mean that someone is smarter than someone else that doesn't have it, but it does mean they are more willing to learn, get educated (b/c they don't have all the answers) and maybe step a little out of their comfort zone.
Jilly Bean Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 My job only hires people with degrees...I had a friend who applied here, no degree, and HR ripped up his resume right in front of him. Sounds like a very professional environment. Love, Art is right - you do seem to operate in a bubble of LI. You do need to get out of the bridge and tunnel mentality. I have lived in both Boston and Manhattan. VERY high real estate areas. Both cities are consistently in the top three rankings. I never saw Long Island quite that far up... And guess what? Besides my first year out of college when I shared a condo with a friend, I have ALWAYS had my own apartment in both cities. AND, I always was able to enjoy a very nice quality of life. Additionally, I have plenty of friends who never went past a HS education, but took over family businesses, or did something entrepreneurial and made VERY nice lives for themselves. So no. Long Island and a college degree are not the end all of life. You need to consider that other people can live successful lives outside of Nassau and Suffolk counties, and that they also earn more than people with college degrees.
Art_Critic Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 ok...would you or wouldn't you say someone who has a degree is more marketable? I certainly would. Someone who is more marketable should be paid more money than someone who isn't as marketable. Maybe it depends on the field but most fields that are high paying (MOST, not ALL), prefer a degree, if not require it. I think it would depend on your industry.. in my industry degrees don't even open the door.. an excellent portfolio does.. Show an employer what you can do with your talent in my industry and you get hired.. the better the portfolio the higher the pay... I have artists working for me that have been with my company 25 years that are making more than 55 dollars an hour.. not bad money for no college education.. There is a whole bunch of other industries out there than the one you are in and they all operate on different criteria. I'm sure in many sectors that a degree is necessary but not everyone moves into that type of work..
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Sounds like a very professional environment. Love, Art is right - you do seem to operate in a bubble of LI. You do need to get out of the bridge and tunnel mentality. I have lived in both Boston and Manhattan. VERY high real estate areas. Both cities are consistently in the top three rankings. I never saw Long Island quite that far up... And guess what? Besides my first year out of college when I shared a condo with a friend, I have ALWAYS had my own apartment in both cities. AND, I always was able to enjoy a very nice quality of life. Additionally, I have plenty of friends who never went past a HS education, but took over family businesses, or did something entrepreneurial and made VERY nice lives for themselves. So no. Long Island and a college degree are not the end all of life. You need to consider that other people can live successful lives outside of Nassau and Suffolk counties, and that they also earn more than people with college degrees. LI has astronomical real estate prices...it's higher in Nassau. Suffolk is becoming pretty bad these days and is unfortunately lowering the value of all homes on the island, but in general LI is one of the most expensive areas in the country. Believe it or don't, but I'm not making it up. Furthermore, yes people without degrees CAN make more than people with degrees, but I don't think it happens as much as people are led to believe. Especially as more & more people are getting educated and colleges are raising their standards, more companies are respecting and realising the importance of a college education and are requiring it. I don't doubt you were able to make a nice living in both those cities- however, my point is that did you own a piece of real estate in your mid 20's in one of those areas? That is what living at home has allowed me to do- to save money instead of spending it on rent, and allow me to obtain a downpayment.
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 I think it would depend on your industry.. in my industry degrees don't even open the door.. an excellent portfolio does.. Show an employer what you can do with your talent in my industry and you get hired.. the better the portfolio the higher the pay... I have artists working for me that have been with my company 25 years that are making more than 55 dollars an hour.. not bad money for no college education.. There is a whole bunch of other industries out there than the one you are in and they all operate on different criteria. I'm sure in many sectors that a degree is necessary but not everyone moves into that type of work.. Well you are right and classroom learning is not for everyone, but by the same token, maybe there is something one of those artists could have learned in a classroom setting that they normally wouldn't have learned otherwise? Thus enhancing their portfolio.
Art_Critic Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 I don't doubt you were able to make a nice living in both those cities- however, my point is that did you own a piece of real estate in your mid 20's in one of those areas? That is what living at home has allowed me to do- to save money instead of spending it on rent, and allow me to obtain a downpayment. Lovestruck.. you need to get over the fact you own a home.. Many of us do.. I bought my first home when I was younger than you.. don't give me that crap about LI real estate prices.. You are just a nice person who has a good job who bought a home.. welcome to the real world... You are not the only home owner in LI either.. In an area that has a population of over 7 million there are many other home owners in your area.. I'll bet some of them didn't go to college... Get over yourself.. Please... Well you are right and classroom learning is not for everyone, but by the same token, maybe there is something one of those artists could have learned in a classroom setting that they normally wouldn't have learned otherwise? Thus enhancing their portfolio. Again.. you have no idea what you are talking about.. I actually do know what I'm talking about.. being that I have been in this industry for almost 30 years.. We give tours of our facility to all the art colleges here in Atlanta... There isn't anything that I know of that they can learn in college today in my industry.. The colleges don't even have the proper software packages that are used...
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Lovestruck.. you need to get over the fact you own a home.. Many of us do.. I bought my first home when I was younger than you.. don't give me that crap about LI real estate prices.. You are just a nice person who has a good job who bought a home.. welcome to the real world... You are not the only home owner in LI either.. In an area that has a population of over 7 million there are many other home owners in your area.. I'll bet some of them didn't go to college... Get over yourself.. Please... Again.. you have no idea what you are talking about.. I actually do know what I'm talking about.. being that I have been in this industry for almost 30 years.. We give tours of our facility to all the art colleges here in Atlanta... There isn't anything that I know of that they can learn in college today in my industry.. The colleges don't even have the proper software packages that are used... Well, I didn't say you didn't know what you were talking about, unlike that of what you said to me...and furthermore, I said the word MAYBE, not definitely. Maybe it was you who used the wrong wording. But you bought your home in another area of the country and probbaly what, 25-30 years ago? I bought mine 3 months ago. Real estate prices have skyrocketed ten-fold!
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Obviously college is beneficial or else no one would go...
Jilly Bean Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 my point is that did you own a piece of real estate in your mid 20's in one of those areas? That is what living at home has allowed me to do- to save money instead of spending it on rent, and allow me to obtain a downpayment. No, I didn't, but that was by choice. I'd rather be the love toy of a Greek army battalion than live in the suburbs at 25. I far preferred being a downtown, city girl and spending huge amounts on rent and having my independence and not living at home, than sponging off the folks to save money so I could move to the 'burbs and live amongst the soccer Moms at 25. But, this was about the OP, and not you, Love - lol. She is 35 and still living at home. At least you got out before you were 30!
zicke Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Lovestruck--wth kind of unprofessional company do you work for? I'm in HR and to be quite frank, my managers would rather have someone with the required experience than a novice with a degree. To rip up someone's resume in their face is so disrespectful and so very unprofessional. How does anyone in your HR department still have a job??? The only managers that require a degree are the ones looking for specific technical training; ie: Engineering/Finance. Your whole "owning a house" thing is getting old--FINE you own one that you paid too much for because you live in an inflated real estate market. We get it. Your comment that the only other people who own houses are 30 years older than you is rude and condescending. I guess the fact that you work for a company that rips resumes up in applicants faces is not a surprise. Water seeks it's own level and all. Also, I agree with Alpha, creatives do not have to have a degree-they have to have a great portfolio, and the required industry experience. Rarely does a creative not get hired because of no degree--in fact in 14 years, I have had one creative not get hired because of no degree.
lovestruck818 Posted August 10, 2008 Posted August 10, 2008 Lovestruck--wth kind of unprofessional company do you work for? I'm in HR and to be quite frank, my managers would rather have someone with the required experience than a novice with a degree. To rip up someone's resume in their face is so disrespectful and so very unprofessional. How does anyone in your HR department still have a job??? The only managers that require a degree are the ones looking for specific technical training; ie: Engineering/Finance. Your whole "owning a house" thing is getting old--FINE you own one that you paid too much for because you live in an inflated real estate market. We get it. Your comment that the only other people who own houses are 30 years older than you is rude and condescending. I guess the fact that you work for a company that rips resumes up in applicants faces is not a surprise. Water seeks it's own level and all. Also, I agree with Alpha, creatives do not have to have a degree-they have to have a great portfolio, and the required industry experience. Rarely does a creative not get hired because of no degree--in fact in 14 years, I have had one creative not get hired because of no degree. I don't work in a "creative" field...nor are portfolios required.
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