PORN..what's really the deal?

[Jersey Shortie]

Oy!. Enough with the princess attitude already.

 

What do my opinions have to do with having a princess attitude? And what does this comment have to do with the topic other then being an attempt at a personal attack?

 

You grow old, gravity takes it course, you boobs and your skin sag, wrinkles pay you a visit and never leave.

 

I didn't know people got older. Amazing.

 

 

Yes indeed, WITH OR WITHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF PORN, the new crop of perky 25 year olds will ALWAYS garner more attention from men AND WOMEN than your old wrinkled up body because some things are just more aesthetically pleasing than others. Welcome to life honey, deal with it. Whine till the cows come home, this FACT is not going to change.

 

Again, you request women be more highly evovled above men when you make such assertions. All I ask is men grow with their women instead of making her feel replaced based on something she can't control. Instead, the message that men send women is that they are unimportant and replacable. And when those 25 year olds age, their husbands can replace them with 25 year olds..and the cycle continues. It's a never ending bottomless pit and I wonder when men step up to the plate and grow up and realize their own immortality as well. Because men at 50 staring at 20 year olds having sex, is partly about them wanting to retain their own immortality. I wonder why you are so dead set on requesting women to be more highly evovled then you request of men. You seem dead set on giving men all this benefit of the doubt and justifying their actions based on their hormones and how they are naturally made but I do not see you make those same justifcations for women. It's interesting to say the least.

It has little to do with respect or love or caring or gluttony as it has to do with pure unadulterated physical attraction, which you can't control.

 

Physical attraction isn't something you can always control. but you can control your bahavior and yoru indulgences. If I ate cheesecake every time a man looked at porn, I would be a fat cow. Whether you want to admit it or not, our country is alive with gluttony and the fact is more men, more then ever are spending more time looking at more porn that is more easy aviable. You can't argue that.

 

 

What people then choose to do with that attraction is up to them. He may not look at porn, but don't for a second think that the new, fresh out of college secretary from the office doesn't look mighty good to him. And when he is in his private moment and wants to release some tension, most likely her image will prop up in his head to aid his release.

 

I'm sure that happens and that is why I have a hard time trusting men or thinking have their respect if they can so easily replace their SOs for the new flavor of the week. I know men get made at me for saying this but in all honestly I don't know what they expect. It is hard to trust men knowing they so easily replace the women in their lives for 30 seconds of pleasure. But men do it all the time. And then get frustrated when women have fruastration towards them for their faux betrayl in the moment. THey turn around and wonder why women can be "naturaly" insecure at this obvious replacment of their being. Some of my bitterness steams from the fact that I consider men better with age and men obviously consider women worse. How can you trust a man will truly ever value you or think your beautiful and special if he is looking at every other woman and excerting no self control to bring self pleasure to himself above all else? Alot of men do this so much to the extent that they will replace the woman they claim they "love" for someone that did nothing more then exsist at a younger age. And then turn around and tell women "oh you are just insecure" And slight her even more fore her very real reaction an dhurt for his reaction to another woman. What is so hard for men to understand that? Or is it that they just don't think women should have any feelings at all.

 

I honestly don't know how you or HE can control that or why it's even a problem when he's not hopping after the secretary. Why would anyone want to control people's private thoughts?

 

He obviously wants to hop after her so he just should. He shouldn't pretend he loves or cares or respects his partner over the new flavor of the month when men are on a continued mission to keep replacing their SO with whoever happens to be prettier or younger. But who cares right? All that matters is what he feels and needs, not his partner. By your own assertion you seem to think the only needs that matters are a man's.

 

Scroll up, you did mention that you are in your mid-20s which I'm assuming means you are no more than 27. So yes, you are my kid's age mate.

 

Does your husband masturbate to images of your daughters friends?

[Jersey Shortie]

Oy!. Enough with the princess attitude already.

 

What do my opinions have to do with having a princess attitude? And what does this comment have to do with the topic other then being an attempt at a personal attack?

 

You grow old, gravity takes it course, you boobs and your skin sag, wrinkles pay you a visit and never leave.

 

I didn't know people got older. Amazing.

 

 

Yes indeed, WITH OR WITHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF PORN, the new crop of perky 25 year olds will ALWAYS garner more attention from men AND WOMEN than your old wrinkled up body because some things are just more aesthetically pleasing than others. Welcome to life honey, deal with it. Whine till the cows come home, this FACT is not going to change.

 

Again, you request women be more highly evovled above men when you make such assertions. All I ask is men grow with their women instead of making her feel replaced based on something she can't control. Instead, the message that men send women is that they are unimportant and replacable. And when those 25 year olds age, their husbands can replace them with 25 year olds..and the cycle continues. It's a never ending bottomless pit and I wonder when men step up to the plate and grow up and realize their own immortality as well. Because men at 50 staring at 20 year olds having sex, is partly about them wanting to retain their own immortality. I wonder why you are so dead set on requesting women to be more highly evovled then you request of men. You seem dead set on giving men all this benefit of the doubt and justifying their actions based on their hormones and how they are naturally made but I do not see you make those same justifcations for women. It's interesting to say the least.

It has little to do with respect or love or caring or gluttony as it has to do with pure unadulterated physical attraction, which you can't control.

 

Physical attraction isn't something you can always control. but you can control your bahavior and yoru indulgences. If I ate cheesecake every time a man looked at porn, I would be a fat cow. Whether you want to admit it or not, our country is alive with gluttony and the fact is more men, more then ever are spending more time looking at more porn that is more easy aviable. You can't argue that.

 

 

What people then choose to do with that attraction is up to them. He may not look at porn, but don't for a second think that the new, fresh out of college secretary from the office doesn't look mighty good to him. And when he is in his private moment and wants to release some tension, most likely her image will prop up in his head to aid his release.

 

I'm sure that happens and that is why I have a hard time trusting men or thinking have their respect if they can so easily replace their SOs for the new flavor of the week. I know men get made at me for saying this but in all honestly I don't know what they expect. It is hard to trust men knowing they so easily replace the women in their lives for 30 seconds of pleasure. But men do it all the time. And then get frustrated when women have fruastration towards them for their faux betrayl in the moment. THey turn around and wonder why women can be "naturaly" insecure at this obvious replacment of their being. Some of my bitterness steams from the fact that I consider men better with age and men obviously consider women worse. How can you trust a man will truly ever value you or think your beautiful and special if he is looking at every other woman and excerting no self control to bring self pleasure to himself above all else? Alot of men do this so much to the extent that they will replace the woman they claim they "love" for someone that did nothing more then exsist at a younger age. And then turn around and tell women "oh you are just insecure" And slight her even more fore her very real reaction an dhurt for his reaction to another woman. What is so hard for men to understand that? Or is it that they just don't think women should have any feelings at all.

 

I honestly don't know how you or HE can control that or why it's even a problem when he's not hopping after the secretary. Why would anyone want to control people's private thoughts?

 

He obviously wants to hop after her so he just should. He shouldn't pretend he loves or cares or respects his partner over the new flavor of the month when men are on a continued mission to keep replacing their SO with whoever happens to be prettier or younger. But who cares right? All that matters is what he feels and needs, not his partner. By your own assertion you seem to think the only needs that matters are a man's.

 

Scroll up, you did mention that you are in your mid-20s which I'm assuming means you are no more than 27. So yes, you are my kid's age mate.

 

Does your husband masturbate to images of your daughters friends?

[The Collector]

JS you 'forgot' to answer my question. What are men allowed to think about while masturbating while in a relationship - just their partner, forever and ever? And I'd like an actual answer, not a response like 'I didn't answer your question because women are always answering men's questions and what do they get in return?' or 'It's not about what I 'allow,' or 'etc, thanks.

 

(And the Catholic guess was clearly right, wasn't it?)

[fral945]

You've obviously have watched too much porn Fral. I'm in my mid-20s..that makes me a milf now? Why do men have a knack for saying the completely wrong things?

 

Obviously you can't take a joke. The point I was trying to make it that there is plenty of MILF porn around, and quite a lot of men that watch it. Not all porn is made up of 20 yr. old with boob jobs.

[Jersey Shortie]

JS you 'forgot' to answer my question. What are men allowed to think about while masturbating while in a relationship - just their partner, forever and ever? And I'd like an actual answer, not a response like 'I didn't answer your question because women are always answering men's questions and what do they get in return?' or 'It's not about what I 'allow,' or 'etc, thanks.

 

(And the Catholic guess was clearly right, wasn't it?)

 

I've answered your questions the best I can. I've asked a view of mine own that you've ignored and I am sure you will continue to ignore them.

 

I don't have all the answers and I don't have the mind set that says you need to "allow" or not"allow" your partner to do something. I don't know what men are suppose to think of. I just know that the amount of things men expect women to be "cool" with and still feel "secure" in a relationship with him are impossible and not fair. I know that I see porn as something that doesn't treat women with much concern or respect. And I see men with women who love them that still need more, (such as porn) to be happy with himself and relationship. Iknow that porn sets unreal expectations about what a woman should be. Stereotyping what makes women beautiful and sexy. I see that no matter what you do, try to make your man happy, he is never happy unless he has something newer to entertain his thoughts. That's the message I am left with. You ask what a man is suppose to do...what is a woman suppose to do? It's not so easy for us either you know? We face just as many challenges that don't make it easy. What do you expect women to do Collector?

 

As for my religion, I see the point you are trying to make. That I am some religious zelot that was raised to think sex is dirty and shameful. That just isn't the case. It doesn't matter if I am a catholic, buddhist or atheist. My opinions don't matter any less then yours for your religous beliefs either.

[Mr. Lucky]

My point is if a woman is making an effort to meet her partners needs, and obviously hopefully enjoys it herself, why can't he make compromises himself?

One recurring theme in your posts is that, by participating in the sexual relationship, the woman is putting forth "effort" and making "compromises". You seem to feel that the man gets an emotional free ride while, with our hypothetical 4X week couple, the woman does the sexual heavy lifting. And so, in light of her efforts, how dare he be so ungrateful to look at porn ? Doesn't he appreciate her sacrifice?

 

Mr. Lucky

[brothermartin]

To much of anything on one side or the other can destroy even the best relationships. Watching a little porn is one thing, being addicted to it when a SO is involved is another thing entirely. Yes, porn has it's down sides. But not all women that get into that business regret doing so, or come out of it with regrets. It's a choice, like any other.

[Rorocher]

What do my opinions have to do with having a princess attitude? And what does this comment have to do with the topic other then being an attempt at a personal attack? .

 

No, I didn't mean it to come off as a personal attack, this is not personal. It's your comments that exudes the "princess" attitude. Comments like men not cherishing women because they watch porn, you should be the most physically attractive person to your SO, women are replaced for 30 secs of pleasure, men looking at images and masturbating is betrayal of women, etc. All of these asserts that if he's sexual attention IN ITS ENTIRETY is not focused on you at all times, then he doesn't respect or care about you. There is no margin of error allowed, no multitasking, if it's not all you all the time, then it's just plain wrong. That attitude is straight out of a bad disney romance novel plot line.

 

 

Again, you request women be more highly evovled above men when you make such assertions. All I ask is men grow with their women instead of making her feel replaced based on something she can't control. Instead, the message that men send women is that they are unimportant and replacable. And when those 25 year olds age, their husbands can replace them with 25 year olds..and the cycle continues. It's a never ending bottomless pit and I wonder when men step up to the plate and grow up and realize their own immortality as well. Because men at 50 staring at 20 year olds having sex, is partly about them wanting to retain their own immortality. I wonder why you are so dead set on requesting women to be more highly evovled then you request of men. You seem dead set on giving men all this benefit of the doubt and justifying their actions based on their hormones and how they are naturally made but I do not see you make those same justifcations for women. It's interesting to say the least.

 

This evolvement you keep talking about ....you are under the impression that it's natural to ALL women to be insecure about images of other women having sex. And that is just plain inaccurate which is why I disagree and I don't justify it. Maybe you are automatically jealous of those images, then we can argue that it's IN YOUR NATURE, but don't make that assumption for all women. Majority of women that come on this site, come to complain about their SO's porn ADDICTION, i.e, excessive use which takes away from their sex life. In gatherings of women, articles, books, counselling sessions, message boards, women don't throw a fit over their SO's moderate use of porn, you just don't see it. So if that insecurity is so natural to women, why aren't more of them speaking out about it? Remember this whole thread has been based on men who use porn once in a while in moderation.

We all agree that excessive use of porn is detrimental.

 

What is the point of being jealous of images? Actors who are made up, airbrushed and positioned in enticing poses to attract attention? If I had an endless supply of plastic surgeons, make-up artists and costume designers fawning over me 24/7, transforming me into some perfectly airbrushed picture from vogue, you bet, my husband's attention will be on me for the duration too. Have you seen celebrities pictures without make-up in worn sweat pants? who thinks they are all that then? So why bother yourself fussing over something so fake? it's fantasy.

 

 

He obviously wants to hop after her so he just should. He shouldn't pretend he loves or cares or respects his partner over the new flavor of the month when men are on a continued mission to keep replacing their SO with whoever happens to be prettier or younger. But who cares right? All that matters is what he feels and needs, not his partner. By your own assertion you seem to think the only needs that matters are a man's.

 

Once again, that automatic leap you make to cheating. Because he finds another woman attractive and God forbids, masturbates, then it means he wants to and and probably will hop after her. Wow!, honestly, where do you get this stuff?

 

 

 

Does your husband masturbate to images of your daughters friends.

 

As a matter of fact he does...well, not to the images of my daughter's friends themselves but to images of 25 year olds, yes. He also, sometimes masturbates to amature porn, you know, the ones with real life couples in all their plainess putting their sex life on camera?. But you know what he also does, he also makes love to me, more times than I desire. Complete intimacy with kissing, caressing, and satisfying orgasms. Come to think of it, we have better sex these days than before. What's your point?

[angie2443]

As a matter of fact he does...well, not to the images of my daughter's friends themselves but to images of 25 year olds, yes. He also, sometimes masturbates to amature porn, you know, the ones with real life couples in all their plainess putting their sex life on camera?. But you know what he also does, he also makes love to me, more times than I desire. Complete intimacy with kissing, caressing, and satisfying orgasms. Come to think of it, we have better sex these days than before. What's your point?

 

I draw the line here. If he masterbates to the images of women your daughter's age, then he is fantisizing about your daughter. This is not very healthy for her. It changes the dynamics of the father-daughter relationship.

[brothermartin]

I draw the line here. If he masterbates to the images of women your daughter's age, then he is fantisizing about your daughter. This is not very healthy for her. It changes the dynamics of the father-daughter relationship.

WHAT?! Just because the man is jerking it to some pics of 25 year olds dose'nt mean he's thinking about his daughter that way.

[grogster]

What is it with porn and zealous posters? A few years ago a young man, whom I won't identify, always posted long, laborious arguments defending porn in Threads started by distraught female posters who believed that their porn-obsessed boy friends/husbands were wrecking their relationship for the sake of some "skin."

 

This young man's obsession was to defend porn at all costs regardless of porn's harmful impact on particular relationships.

 

Now, we have the flip side: posters who condemn porn regardless of porn's impact on particular relationships.

 

Ironically, neither can see past the Porn. It's as if both are blinded by the Porn.

 

I'm happily on that middle road where my vision is clear, and that's where I'll stay.

[Rorocher]

I draw the line here. If he masterbates to the images of women your daughter's age, then he is fantisizing about your daughter. This is not very healthy for her. It changes the dynamics of the father-daughter relationship.

 

Eeek, It is not as perverted as that. It's the separation between fantasy and reality. And come to think of it, porn videos don't fill out questionaires just so the viewers can know the age, marital status, height, weight and sexual orientation and background of the actors. The viewer makes assumptions about all of that when he or she watches it. My SO dabbles in garden variety porn, as do I, depending on what turns each person on at the moment. The actors you GUESS are mid 20s could very well be mid 30s. There is no way of knowing for sure. Analyzing porn usually saps all the enjoyment out of it, because, really, it's not that serious.

 

People often watch and masturbate to the images their brain translates as attractive, for some it's super skinny, for others, it's DD boobs, some it's flat chested women, other's MILFs, like someone else mentioned before. Some prefer fat women, some prefer housewives, etc. The popular misconception is that porn is only about youth and conventional beauty, nothing could be further from the truth, and I know this because I watch porn.

[soserious1]

Oy!. Enough with the princess attitude already. You grow old, gravity takes it course, you boobs and your skin sag, wrinkles pay you a visit and never leave. You shrink and more diseases try to befriend you. AND on top of that, men won't be as attracted to you as they once was.

 

Yes indeed, WITH OR WITHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF PORN, the new crop of perky 25 year olds will ALWAYS garner more attention from men AND WOMEN than your old wrinkled up body because some things are just more aesthetically pleasing than others. Welcome to life honey, deal with it. Whine till the cows come home, this FACT is not going to change.

 

It has little to do with respect or love or caring or gluttony as it has to do with pure unadulterated physical attraction, which you can't control. What people then choose to do with that attraction is up to them. He may not look at porn, but don't for a second think that the new, fresh out of college secretary from the office doesn't look mighty good to him. And when he is in his private moment and wants to release some tension, most likely her image will prop up in his head to aid his release. I honestly don't know how you or HE can control that or why it's even a problem when he's not hopping after the secretary. Why would anyone want to control people's private thoughts?

 

 

 

You are 100 % correct, and now here's the bigger question, since this happens and it's natural why bother being together at all ? Why bother being with somebody who views being faithful to you as some HUGE sacrifice that becomes increasingly more difficult as you age?

 

I told my husband that I regret the years we've spent together and that I feel our marriage is the biggest, most costly mistake I've ever made in my lifetime. As far as I'm concerned he can watch porn, go to strip clubs, pursue all the young pussy he pleases. I don't wish to go out in public with him, I have no desire to talk to him about anything.I'll continue to pay our bills but our relationship is over,for all practical purposes he'd dead to me now.

[Rorocher]

You are 100 % correct, and now here's the bigger question, since this happens and it's natural why bother being together at all ? Why bother being with somebody who views being faithful to you as some HUGE sacrifice that becomes increasingly more difficult as you age?

 

I told my husband that I regret the years we've spent together and that I feel our marriage is the biggest, most costly mistake I've ever made in my lifetime. As far as I'm concerned he can watch porn, go to strip clubs, pursue all the young pussy he pleases. I don't wish to go out in public with him, I have no desire to talk to him about anything.I'll continue to pay our bills but our relationship is over,for all practical purposes he'd dead to me now.

 

Soserious, I really am sorry about your situation and that right there is the difference between good men and the not so. You are not much older than me so I can empathize with what aging does to your body. While my husband watches and enjoys porn, he doesn't replace me with it, even though I don't look as youthful as I use to be. As much as he is attracted to a younger looking body, he doesn't use his attraction to punish me for being older, as your husband does. Our sex life is better than it use to because now he actually takes his time to make sure I enjoy every bit of lovemaking. I still wear lingerie to bed and my husband still responds to that so the fact that a youthful body attracts him doesn't automatically mean that he finds mine repulsive. And when it comes to me, his wife, it's more than just wham bam thank you m'aam sex where you are just looking to plug a hole. It's love making, intimacy, joining of bodies as well as minds.

 

He is aging too, and he knows that so it's not like he is the hot tamale he use to be.

 

It's basic respect between two people who claim to love each other, you become more than just bodies to each other. So even if you are wrinkled up, you still see a youthful radiance in each other, the cumulation of your love and SO's wonderful personality is what propels this radiance and allows you to look past the sagging skin and wrinkles.

[Rorocher]

And wait a minute, what if you stop paying his bills? you have to live in the same house so yes, you pay the mortgage but aside from that, what else do you have to pay?. You can buy your own food and cook for yourself. If you jointly own credit cards, why can't you pay them off, close the accounts and get a new card in YOUR name only?

 

I don't think you are as helpless as you think in this situation unless I'm not seeing things clearly. You may not want to divorce him but it's unfair for you have to live like a helpless prisoner in your own home.

 

You're working hard, bringing home money and he is just sitting there sponging off you. WTF? spending YOUR money at strip clubs?

[Jersey Shortie]

One recurring theme in your posts is that, by participating in the sexual relationship, the woman is putting forth "effort" and making "compromises". You seem to feel that the man gets an emotional free ride while, with our hypothetical 4X week couple, the woman does the sexual heavy lifting. And so, in light of her efforts, how dare he be so ungrateful to look at porn ? Doesn't he appreciate her sacrifice?

 

Mr. Lucky

 

More like, doesn't he appreciate her. Or is only able to be happy when he can combined his real life relationship with the women he truly desires in a porno? When it comes to porn and sex, I do think men get a big of a free ride. Overall, it's still a man's world and I think women do get short changed still. If a woman is having sex with her husband, and enjoying it but putting in the effort to try new things, wear new things and so on, why does he still need to turn to porn? No matter what you do, whether you are there for your husband/SO or not, he is STILL turning to porn. What is the point in trying to please him at all Mr. Lucky?

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No, I didn't mean it to come off as a personal attack, this is not personal. It's your comments that exudes the "princess" attitude.

 

Since all we have to go on here are our comments, it was as close to a personal attack as you could come to.

 

Comments like men not cherishing women because they watch porn....

 

That's right, I think that porn is the exact oposite of cherishing women.

 

"... you should be the most physically attractive person to your SO.."

 

When I am with a man I care about he is the most physically attractive person to me. I guess he is lucky that he gets that and most women never will because men are more concerned with what they don't have then what they do.

 

"... women are replaced for 30 secs of pleasure"

 

Yes, that's exactly what is happening when a man is lusting in his heart for another woman. He is replacing his woman, for the new one for those cheap few seconds.

 

"... men looking at images and masturbating is betrayal of women, etc."

 

Well it certainly isn't about loyatly or being loyal to your partner.

 

All of these asserts that if he's sexual attention IN ITS ENTIRETY is not focused on you at all times, then he doesn't respect or care about you.

 

No. It is the lack of self control that men use when it comes to porn now-a-days. It's the degrading aspect of porn. Most women have more respect then to be in a porno. And most men hypocrtically compliment the women in porn by getting turned on by them but dis them at the same time they get turned on by them for having sex with many men for cash. I liken it to when women exploit men for money, it is never attractive to the opposite sex. Men don't want to be use for their money or exploited for it. I don't blame them. When men exploit women for sex, it is never attractive to the other sex. Neither sex wants to be used for the more shallow aspects of life. That is exactly what porn does in catering to the worse common denominator.

 

There is no margin of error allowed, no multitasking, if it's not all you all the time, then it's just plain wrong. That attitude is straight out of a bad disney romance novel plot line.

 

Yes it would be if I had said any of those things, but I didn't. There is margin for error. However, when is it a margin of error and just a nasty habit? It doesn't have to be me all the time but I expect more self control then what most men today apparently can give. We have a very self-indulgent culture and unfortunetly porn is a huge weakness for many men that do infact fall pray to it.

 

 

This evolvement you keep talking about ....you are under the impression that it's natural to ALL women to be insecure about images of other women having sex. And that is just plain inaccurate which is why I disagree and I don't justify it.

 

Insecurity is a natural emotion. Just as natural and just as weak as a man getting excited over a porno. I've already explained this to you. You either didn't understand what I was saying or choose to ignore it. In nature, it is natural for women to feel threatened when her man shows interest in another woman, can we agree at the very least on that? If a tape of sex being simulated on screen is enough to turn a man on, why shouldn't his interest in the sex and woman on screen be enough to cause very natural instinctive feelings in a woman about his interest in another woman. Logically we all know he isn't going to find that woman and run away with her. But porn is no more logcial for a man then it is for a woman. You expect women to be more highly evovled above men. You justify men's weaknesses and even make excuses for there being room for mistakes, yet you don't want to offer that kindness to women in return.

 

 

Majority of women that come on this site, come to complain about their SO's porn ADDICTION,

 

I've seem complaints about both..women with husbands who are porn addicts and women who are hurt by a man who uses porn in "normal" amounts..whatever "normal" amounts is anyway lol.

 

 

In gatherings of women, articles, books, counselling sessions, message boards, women don't throw a fit over their SO's moderate use of porn, you just don't see it.

 

Who is throwing a fit Dear? This is a discussion about opinions.

 

What is the point of being jealous of images? Actors who are made up, airbrushed and positioned in enticing poses to attract attention?

 

That men in relationships spend time seeking out these images and place them on a higher plane of attraction then their own women..that men with older wives who are older remind their wives that they prefer younger women even to them....

 

Have you seen celebrities pictures without make-up in worn sweat pants? who thinks they are all that then? So why bother yourself fussing over something so fake? it's fantasy.

 

Of course its fake! But men still buy into it. It's fantasy. But it's a fantasy that men wish was real. It often seems like being the fantasy in a man's life is better then being his reality since his fantasy seems to get privilages far above the reality he has to deal. Too bad men get stuck with us noraml average women. they must be completely disappointed. I guess it's only right that they have porn to make up for where real women lack.

 

Once again, that automatic leap you make to cheating. Because he finds another woman attractive and God forbids, masturbates, then it means he wants to and and probably will hop after her. Wow!, honestly, where do you get this stuff?

 

:lmao:Where do you get YOUR stuff? God forbid a woman feel insecure in her relationship with a man that is masturbating and seeking out women to masturbate too. Finding a woman attractive and taking the further action to masturbate to her different.

 

As a matter of fact he does...well, not to the images of my daughter's friends themselves but to images of 25 year olds, yes. He also, sometimes masturbates to amature porn, you know, the ones with real life couples in all their plainess putting their sex life on camera?. But you know what he also does, he also makes love to me, more times than I desire. Complete intimacy with kissing, caressing, and satisfying orgasms. Come to think of it, we have better sex these days than before. What's your point?

 

I guess thats what I have to look forward to..as your daughter ..and her daughter and all the other women. Having a life with a man, building a life with a man, having his children so that 20 years down the line he can use the girls his daughter's age to masturbate to. Yeah that's progression alright.

 

If men feel bitter about the unfairness of the legal system in the case of divorce, women have the right to feel bitter about the man they love having fantasies of his daughters friends. Completely dishearting but that's the kind of stuff alot of men do.

 

Do you think he is having sex with you and thinking about one of your daughter's tight bodied cute friends?

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What is it with porn and zealous posters?

 

It's a sensitive topic and always will be. That should all tell us something right there. Either way, people are sensitive about it because it strikes a cord with something.

 

I'm happily on that middle road where my vision is clear, and that's where I'll stay.

 

My vision is clear, as I am sure people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum from me would argue theirs is clear. A difference in opinion doesn't mean that your vision isn't clear. It means that people can see one thing many different ways.

[The Collector]

Jersey, imagine you are, God forbid, not in a relationship when you are 50. What do you think you will think about when you masturbate? What do you think other 50, 60, 70 year old women think about when they masturbate? Consistently men of their same age?

 

Of course I do not expect you to answer this question, but to quote it and say something like 'I don't know - but what I do know is that men are etc etc dodge the question, etc etc.'

[Jersey Shortie]

What do you think other 50, 60, 70 year old women think about when they masturbate?

 

Sean Connery.

 

Actually yeah, I think they think do think of men their age. Women don't make porn of "barely Legal" young men the same way men do.

 

Collector, I keep answering your questions and you keep ignoring mine.

[Lovelybird]

No hon, age and life experiences are more likely to make you smarter than not, unless you are just incredibly stupid. See, as you get older and the years pile up, life thrusts you in different situations that you would have never dreamt of being in when you were a wee lass, those situations open your eyes, give you a better understanding and even change your mind on issues. Life has an unpredictable way of showing you that it's not as black and white as you may think.

 

Don't get me wrong, old age doesn't mean you know it all, you can NEVER know it all. So that invalidates your "golden country run by old men theory". But you do tend to know better as you go along. A bunch of "old men" may not be able to make our country golden, but a bunch of teenagers can't do a better job than them.

 

At 45 years old, 3 children (one your age), I don't claim to know it all but I've come a looong way since mid- 20s. Certain things are dragging lower than they use to but I no longer envy youth or how tight their skin is compared to mine. Or how my SO is attracted by that tight skin, like he can help it. Because I too once enjoyed youth and it was a blast.

 

As a matter of fact, I don't think we should be arguing our points with you. I think you have to live it and learn it on your own.

I sense lots of frustration in your post. seems you know it is wrong, but since you cannot change it, you fear to make old man angry, so you have to endure it

[Lizzie60]

Sean Connery.

 

Actually yeah, I think they think do think of men their age. Women don't make porn of "barely Legal" young men the same way men do.

 

Collector, I keep answering your questions and you keep ignoring mine.

 

Sean Connery... OMG... no thank you..

 

Please don't speak for all women over 50.. you have nooo idea what we're fantasizing about when we masturbate..

[Jersey Shortie]

Relax. All I said was sean connery and it was said lightly. I didn't say every woman in the world thinks about him. I for one don't but I'm not over 50 either .

[Lizzie60]

Relax. All I said was sean connery and it was said lightly. I didn't say every woman in the world thinks about him. I for one don't but I'm not over 50 either .

 

Then how could you answer his question about women 50, 60 and 70 if you have NO idea what you're talking about.. you're not even there yet..

[Lovelybird]

Soserious, I really am sorry about your situation and that right there is the difference between good men and the not so. You are not much older than me so I can empathize with what aging does to your body. While my husband watches and enjoys porn, he doesn't replace me with it, even though I don't look as youthful as I use to be. As much as he is attracted to a younger looking body, he doesn't use his attraction to punish me for being older, as your husband does. Our sex life is better than it use to because now he actually takes his time to make sure I enjoy every bit of lovemaking. I still wear lingerie to bed and my husband still responds to that so the fact that a youthful body attracts him doesn't automatically mean that he finds mine repulsive. And when it comes to me, his wife, it's more than just wham bam thank you m'aam sex where you are just looking to plug a hole. It's love making, intimacy, joining of bodies as well as minds.

 

He is aging too, and he knows that so it's not like he is the hot tamale he use to be.

 

It's basic respect between two people who claim to love each other, you become more than just bodies to each other. So even if you are wrinkled up, you still see a youthful radiance in each other, the cumulation of your love and SO's wonderful personality is what propels this radiance and allows you to look past the sagging skin and wrinkles.

this is a sad picture

 

people who watch porn are numbed in many senses in spiritual side. porn dehumanize people, and make human as if they are product, when they watch porn, they are consuming humanity, tears, and suffering of those actors.

 

It is terrible to think this society make porn as a 'normal' thing, human value become cheaper, sex become cheaper. and those victims whose husband is addicted to porn should fight this trend, not endure it. The more you endure it, the more you are hurt by it. this kind of compromise pay too much price

[Lovelybird]

Sean Connery... OMG... no thank you..

 

Please don't speak for all women over 50.. you have nooo idea what we're fantasizing about when we masturbate..

there are things much more fulfilling than masturbate

[Jersey Shortie]

Then how could you answer his question about women 50, 60 and 70 if you have NO idea what you're talking about.. you're not even there yet..

 

 

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