BadGirl2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Has anyone ever used Apple Cider Vinegar to lose weight?
moimeme Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 No gimmicks work to help a person lose weight. Here is THE secret to losing weight: Eat healthy foods and exercise.
Author BadGirl2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Author Posted August 7, 2003 Originally posted by moimeme No gimmicks work to help a person lose weight. Here is THE secret to losing weight: Eat healthy foods and exercise. I think you're refering to the Apple Cider Vinegar pill, I'm talking about the liquid. On another Health message board that I go to many people have lost weight with ACV liquid so I just curious if anyone on this board has tried it to lose weight with the liquid form. I already do the "secret to losing weight".
Tony T Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 YOU ASK: "Do you really know the secret to losing weight? You didn't post it in your message." Look at the bottom left hand corner of moimeme's post...and your copy of it. That's why it's a secret...you have to look for it. I might add that the even deeper secret to losing weight is consuming fewer calories than you burn. There are no shortcuts.
Author BadGirl2003 Posted August 7, 2003 Author Posted August 7, 2003 Ummmmm ok I saw that, that's why I edited my last message cause I didn't see it until I post it.
moimeme Posted August 7, 2003 Posted August 7, 2003 OK, to be specific, liquid vinegar will not help you lose weight any more than powdered vinegar or vinegar pills or any other form of vinegar. Nor will cabbage soup, eating only grapefruit, the ice cream diet, or any of those other fads. Sure, you'll find people who will swear every one of these helped them lose weight. Check with those people months or even weeks later and you'll find they regained the weight. There is no quickie solution - other than stomach surgery.
Author BadGirl2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Author Posted August 8, 2003 OK, to be specific, liquid vinegar will not help you lose weight any more than powdered vinegar or vinegar pills or any other form of vinegar. Nor will cabbage soup, eating only grapefruit, the ice cream diet, or any of those other fads. Sure, you'll find people who will swear every one of these helped them lose weight. Check with those people months or even weeks later and you'll find they regained the weight. There is no quickie solution - other than stomach surg What I mean by liquid vinegar is "APPLE CIDER VINEGAR" liquid. Really you can't call the diets that you name in your post fads until you have actually tried them all. I did the grapefruit diet a while back and lost some weight and kept it off. My friend just start the Apple Cider Vinegar diet last week and she has already lost 5 pounds. The only way someone is going to regain there weight is by going back to there old habits. I really didn't post this to get "diet do's and dont's just a simple question has anyone ever used Apple Cider Vinegar to lose weight. Anyone?
wideawake Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Int J Sports Med 2002 Apr;23(3):218-22 The efficacy of acetic acid for glycogen repletion in rat skeletal muscle after exercise. Fushimi T, Tayama K, f***aya M, Kitakoshi K, Nakai N, Tsukamoto Y, Sato Y. Central Research Institute, Mitsukan Group Co. Ltd., Handa, Japan. We examined the effect of acetic acid, the main component of vinegar, on glycogen repletion by using swimming-exercised rats. Rats were trained for 7 days by swimming. After an overnight fast, they were subjected to a 2-hr swimming exercise. Immediately afterward, they were given by gavage 2 ml of one of the following solutions: 30 % glucose only or 30 % glucose with 0.4 % acetic acid. Rats were sacrificed by decapitation before, immediately after exercise and 2 hours after the feeding. Exercise significantly decreased soleus and gastrocnemius glycogen content, and feeding significantly increased liver, soleus and gastrocnemius glycogen content. In soleus muscle, acetate feeding significantly increased glycogen content and the ratio of glycogen synthase in the I form (means +/- SEM: 4.04 +/- 0.41 mg/g-tissue and 47.0 +/- 0.7 %, respectively) in contrast to no acetate feeding (3.04 +/- 0.29 mg/g-tissue and 38.1 +/- 3.4 %, respectively). Thus, these findings suggest that the feeding of glucose with acetic acid can more speedily accelerate glycogen repletion in skeletal muscle than can glucose only.
wideawake Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Here is a link to the study: http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/7/1973 The concentration of acetic acid was 0.2 gm per 100 gm of food ingested. Regular household vinegar is about 5% acetic acid. To get 0.2 gm of acetic acid you would need to drink 4.0 grams of vinegar. Vinegar's density (1.0056 g/cm3) is about like that of water, so drink 4 cc per 100 grams of food. If you are carb loading before an event, you could take in 4cc for each 100 grams of carbs you eat. The authors concluded that: Here we have confirmed that a diet containing acetic acid at concentrations similar to those consumed in a normal meal enhances glycogen repletion in the liver and skeletal muscles of rats (Fig. 1A , B , C ). The effect in liver and gastrocnemius muscle appeared to be linear up to 0.2 g acetic acid/100 g diet. Our results show that dietary acetic acid can enhance glycogen repletion in both liver and skeletal muscle. The mechanism of this effect is different in liver and skeletal muscle. In liver, acetic acid feeding enhances glycogen repletion by activation of gluconeogenesis and the preferential utilization of G-6-P for glycogenesis. In skeletal muscle, the enhancement of glycogen repletion by acetic acid feeding results from the accumulation of G-6-P due to suppression of glycolysis. We used acetic acid at concentrations comparable to those found in a normal diet. Therefore, we conclude that supplementing meals with vinegar may be beneficial in the recovery of liver and skeletal muscle glycogen, for example, upon fatigue, after skipping meals, postexercise or as part of an athlete’s breakfast on the day of competition.
wideawake Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 I've started just drinking the 2cc/50 gm carbs of cider vinegar post workout, and with breakfast. It actually doesn't taste as ****ty as I thought it would. I tried it in my post workout shake and that was bad; it is easier just to chug it down. I swear it is making me leaner. If you look at the study the mechanism whereby the vinegar increases glycogen storage in muscle is by retarding glycolysis. So when you eat a carb meal, more of the carbs are being stored as glycogen and fewer are being burned as fuel. The logical corollary is that fat is being burned as fuel instead. Actually this is how carbs make a person fat. There is almost no "de novo" fat production from carbohydrates in humans. When you eat carb calories over and above an isocaloric amount, the carbs are preferentially used as fuel instead of fat. So fat that would be otherwise lost to fuel isn't. The acetic acid is blocking this effect to some extent. So it really is true that "carbs don't make a person fat; fat makes a person fat". Excess carbs keep you fat, allowing any other dietary fats to be stored rather than burned. So yes, bottom line is this will work, but really only in conjunction with some post-workout nutrition. Perderably after weight training if at all possible. Enjoy that acv!!
Author BadGirl2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Author Posted August 8, 2003 Originally posted by moimeme Apparently, your friend. Um, oooooook I know my friend does but I was asking people on this message board have they ever used ACV and I see so far one person.
Author BadGirl2003 Posted August 8, 2003 Author Posted August 8, 2003 I've started just drinking the 2cc/50 gm carbs of cider vinegar post workout, and with breakfast. It actually doesn't taste as ****ty as I thought it would. I tried it in my post workout shake and that was bad; it is easier just to chug it down. I swear it is making me leaner. If you look at the study the mechanism whereby the vinegar increases glycogen storage in muscle is by retarding glycolysis. So when you eat a carb meal, more of the carbs are being stored as glycogen and fewer are being burned as fuel. The logical corollary is that fat is being burned as fuel instead. Actually this is how carbs make a person fat. There is almost no "de novo" fat production from carbohydrates in humans. When you eat carb calories over and above an isocaloric amount, the carbs are preferentially used as fuel instead of fat. So fat that would be otherwise lost to fuel isn't. The acetic acid is blocking this effect to some extent.. So it really is true that "carbs don't make a person fat; fat makes a person fat". Excess carbs keep you fat, allowing any other dietary fats to be stored rather than burned. So yes, bottom line is this will work, but really only in conjunction with some post-workout nutrition. Perderably after weight training if at all possible. Enjoy that acv!! Thanx for all the information wideawake it will help my friend and I. Can you tell me what kind of foods you eat day to day. My friend eats just about anything, exercises and is losing weight
HokeyReligions Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 I retain water. My legs and ankles swell something terrible. One of the key things to controlling this is drinking vinegar & water - it is a natural diuretic. The weight loss is water weight. On any diet, increase water intake - it helps in a lot of ways. If there is water retention, use apple cider vinegar in water to act as a natural diuretic. Ask your doctor about it. The weight loss shows on the scales, and even in clothes sizes, but it's not a loss of fat - it's a loss of water.
wideawake Posted August 8, 2003 Posted August 8, 2003 HokeyReligions - I agree with you in that acv can act as a diuretic for subq water retention, but that clearly is not the case in the study I posted above. To some degree, and I'm not sure what, acv would help in fat loss as well.
Immortal No More Posted August 9, 2003 Posted August 9, 2003 I cant believe you are drinking apple cider vinegar, I couldnt drink more then two sips before i began to gag.
ThisGirlNameKD Posted August 9, 2003 Posted August 9, 2003 I've tried it years ago and it does work. I don't know how it works completely. I was reading a health and fitness magazine and it was talking about the benefits of apple cider vinegar and how it helps one loses weight and you continue to take it to keep the weight off. The majority of the time, I use to take 2 tablespoons in an 8 ounce glass of water and drink it. But there were some days I would just take the the tablespoons without the water. Someone asked me what I was using and I told them, and they told me they were using the same thing too to keep their weight off and it worked. So it wouldn't hurt to try it.
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