Author jadedone Posted July 29, 2008 Author Posted July 29, 2008 There is no excuse for someone to not have a bachelor's degree. Now this is very shallow. There are many reasons for not getting a bachelor's degree, and many of them involve money. In my case I went to college for three years and my financial aid ran out. I may go back and finish, but for now I'm making good money and don't see the point. I have traveled the world, I'm well read, but because I don't have a piece of paper that says degree, I'm not worthy?
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Now this is very shallow. There are many reasons for not getting a bachelor's degree, and many of them involve money. In my case I went to college for three years and my financial aid ran out. I may go back and finish, but for now I'm making good money and don't see the point. I have traveled the world, I'm well read, but because I don't have a piece of paper that says degree, I'm not worthy? To some companies, you're not worthy...mine, for example. You could be a genius but if you don't have that stupid little piece of paper called a degree, HR will rip up your resume. I have seen it being done. A lot of companies are only hiring college grads now. It's sad but times are changing and you really need a degree. Money isn't really a valid reason though...schools give aid or you can take out a loan...
woods321 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Women very much follow the heard. Thats why you see so many trying to look just like actresses on tv, get their hair cut a certain way, become anorexic, bulimic, etc. So they think good men must have a degree. I have one, so I am not being bitter. Just pointing out how ridiculous it sounds. Like that really proves anything. So if a guy owns his own company, treats you nice, and is intelligent,good in bed, handsome,tall, loyal, etc, the lack of a degree is a deal breaker? Take out a loan, lol.. yes thats very smart. Do you know how many women have huge amounts of school debt? owing 60 70, 80 thousand? Working slaves to pay off debt. The American way..
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Women very much follow the heard. Thats why you see so many trying to look just like actresses on tv, get their hair cut a certain way, become anorexic, bulimic, etc. So they think good men must have a degree. I have one, so I am not being bitter. Just pointing out how ridiculous it sounds. Like that really proves anything. So if a guy owns his own company, treats you nice, and is intelligent,good in bed, handsome,tall, loyal, etc, the lack of a degree is a deal breaker? Take out a loan, lol.. yes thats very smart. Do you know how many women have huge amounts of school debt? owing 60 70, 80 thousand? Working slaves to pay off debt. The American way.. I didn't say it was a dealbreaker for a relationship but certainly it is in regard to getting certain jobs... Having a degree doesn't prove anything. My point was that it is becoming more & more of a necessity to have one now b/c the job market is tough and very demanding. People with a degree have an advantage over people that don't.
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Women very much follow the heard. Thats why you see so many trying to look just like actresses on tv, get their hair cut a certain way, become anorexic, bulimic, etc. So they think good men must have a degree. I have one, so I am not being bitter. Just pointing out how ridiculous it sounds. Like that really proves anything. So if a guy owns his own company, treats you nice, and is intelligent,good in bed, handsome,tall, loyal, etc, the lack of a degree is a deal breaker? Take out a loan, lol.. yes thats very smart. Do you know how many women have huge amounts of school debt? owing 60 70, 80 thousand? Working slaves to pay off debt. The American way.. Women are not the only ones with debt, btw...
lino Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Both are very important but job title is more important for women IMO. Luckily though there are plenty of beautiful girls who aren't raised with the rediculous attitude that a man must be a university graduate, atleast in my experience I've seen this. how important it is for a woman to be under 30 with fake boobs and absolutely no cellulte don't know about the fake boobs but What if I myself am under 30 and without bodyfat/cellulite? Is it ok for me to expect it then?
Lovely Disaster Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 put some in the bank and still have money to spend on my boyfriend. So are you basically buying your boyfriend's love? Does he buy things and do special things for you? This seems like an odd relationship and I would back off from spending money on your boyfriend. He isn't going to value you and respect you more because you keep buying, buying, buying stuff for him.
stillafool Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Ladies, what is more important to you, a guy's income level or his job title? or both? The money is far more important to me. We can't spend his job title. I swear when I was single I never asked what guys did for a living. I just didn't care. I was more interested in how much fun we could have. My gf's thought I was crazy. When guys would ask me "what do you do?" I would say "what do I do about what?" It was always the guys who couldn't wait to brag about their careers who would ask this. This would tell me all he thinks about is his work and that would bore the heck out of me. I really don't think a person's work tells me much about them at all. Lots of people chose their careers based on how much money they want or out of necessity, not what they love to do. I don't see the rush for that question because if you like each other and hit it off you will find out what they do for a living anyway.
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 So are you basically buying your boyfriend's love? Does he buy things and do special things for you? This seems like an odd relationship and I would back off from spending money on your boyfriend. He isn't going to value you and respect you more because you keep buying, buying, buying stuff for him. I already have his love...I buy him things b/c I want to. And yes, he also does/buys things for me but he doesn't have a job at the moment.
Lovely Disaster Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 He's not going to love you more because you're buying him stuff. Stop buying him stuff and see how much love you still get. He's seeing you as a sugar mama, trust me. You need to have some self-respect and stop buying his love.
Rooster_DAR Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 There is no excuse for someone to not have a bachelor's degree. Hmm... Well how about those who achieve great success without a degree, and make more money than most people with a bachelors? I guess they just got luck huh?
MaxManwell Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Hmm... Well how about those who achieve great success without a degree, and make more money than most people with a bachelors? I guess they just got luck huh? You know I tend to agree with that to an extent. Unless you get lucky and end up in a higher paying job or your parents had the sense to send you off to get a trade the world is not the best place for finding employment without a degree. Fresh skin to an industry you need to fill their niche for the role they need filled, which is hard for a male to do or you need a degree. I think that some people do well, but without a degree it is a really tough world out there for some people. Obviously if you can succeed without a degree then you don't need one, but the people who need a degree are the ones who can't And that is just illogical to suggest those who can't should not get a degree for the sake of those who could succeed.
MaxManwell Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Talk about class discrimination, where you went generally only means your mummy and daddy had the money to pay for it or that you were stupid enough to take out loans. Having a vagina helps with scholarships I hear.t I couldn't agree more. I work with guys from Berkeley, MIT and Yale along others. They're smart, but most lack people skills and are actually quite lazy. People skills will trump education hands down. That doesn't tell me much. I can argue that outside of a top 10 (top 25 to be generous) program, that graduate or professional school is a waste of time. The majority of programs out there are bunk, so if someone tells me that they have X, Y and Z degrees, then I ask 'Oh, where did you go?' Everyone and there mom goes to grad. school nowadays, and talks about it like they are now in the upper echelons of society. You are not, and I would not consider that person to be a rung up the ladder over someone who works at a retail chain. The same can be said about college. Everyone goes to college, so my question is 'where?' if I want to get a good picture of who someone is. You only need formal education if what you want to do requires it. I know quite a few people who never went to school beyond high school and they make great money, including one that makes over $500k a year and another who made $1.3 mil. last year. Contempt prior to investigation. Get to know the Walmart greeter and what his story is before you pass judgment.
MaxManwell Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 This is my point. Speaking for myself, and any man I have ever met, a womans career, title, or income means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to them. I can honestly say from the bottom of my heart I would be as interested in a teacher or waitress that makes 25k a year as I would be a lawyer, doctor, or CEO. It is truly no indication of intelligence, or how well she would treat me, or if she would be loyal,if she is fun, or if she is good company. There are more important things than money. Now until women can say that, and mean it, you have to face the fact that you ARE NOT EQUAL to men. You have the same rights, but you do not have the same traits that make men, men. You re conflicted because you still yearn to be taken care of, yet also want to appear to be equal and independent. You cant have everything. At least admit you want to be taken care of, and drop the false personae of being an "independent" woman. Women are equal to men, the only problem is that some of them chose to act as though they are not. I am impressed by the posts by lovestruck who treats her partner as an equal and like some sort of cash cow. I agree that education says nothing about persons lack of intelligence and in some cases says nothing about intelligence at all. I would however say that a person with a quantitative degree such as Science, Economics, and especially Engineering or even law has demonstrated that they display a certain level of intelligence that is reasonably high. The lack of such a degree does not demonstrate a lack of intelligence only a lack of the means or the desire to get such a degree. I am under no delusions in believing that everyone has the time and money to go and get a difficult college degree. Some people are simply better off working because they're already doing very well for themselves. While others, should really go to college and make the sacrifice because they need it and it would benefit them in the medium and long run.
MaxManwell Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Take out a loan, lol.. yes thats very smart. Do you know how many women have huge amounts of school debt? owing 60 70, 80 thousand? Working slaves to pay off debt. The American way.. We both know women are looked after by society. Those women will get higher paying jobs that would their male equivalents in the same situation. They'll find a man to support them and society will not be harsh, they'll still date and be socially accepted whereas a man in that situation would be ostracized.
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 We both know women are looked after by society. Those women will get higher paying jobs that would their male equivalents in the same situation. They'll find a man to support them and society will not be harsh, they'll still date and be socially accepted whereas a man in that situation would be ostracized. Excuse me but women don't NEED men to support them....
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Talk about class discrimination, where you went generally only means your mummy and daddy had the money to pay for it or that you were stupid enough to take out loans. Having a vagina helps with scholarships I hear.t Taking out a loan is not stupid...esp. if it is for educational purposes. Furthermore, I'll tell you my parents did not pay for my education. I worked since I was 14 and saved up a ton of money and paid for my entire education out of pocket.
lovestruck818 Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Hmm... Well how about those who achieve great success without a degree, and make more money than most people with a bachelors? I guess they just got luck huh? Those people are very lucky. It doesn't happen to most people and it is happening less & less b/c more & more jobs and fields are requiring a degree and higher education.
awesomeness43 Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Those people are very lucky. It doesn't happen to most people and it is happening less & less b/c more & more jobs and fields are requiring a degree and higher education. Its not luck. People only go to college to decide what they want to do in life and get a bachelors as a false sense of entitlement and security. People that succeed whether they have a degree or not are the people who have drive and are motivated to make the money. Honestly, people that say money doesn't matter in my opinion will never be rich. What motivates you? If its doing what you are passionate about i respect that but do not crucify people because they don't share the same views as you. From an early age i always wanted a certain lifestyle. Always told myself that by the age of 24 i would have a ferrari or a car of the same caliber and financially independent. At the age of 18 i drive a 70k car and make more than some college grads will ever make nearing 100k. In the corporate world, does it matter if you are a nerd and graduated from berkeley but have no peoples skill what so ever and lack the likability factor that is ever so important in the business world? Do you think companies or sales rep would sign over multi million dollar contracts to someone that don't like? In my industry, it doesn't matter if someone has a degree. As long as you are licensed by the dre (department of real estate) you can do real estate and loans. Its all about building rapport and have a good networking and clientele base as much as knowing how to handle yourself and what knowing your product and what you're talking about.
Rooster_DAR Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Those people are very lucky. It doesn't happen to most people and it is happening less & less b/c more & more jobs and fields are requiring a degree and higher education. It's not always luck sweetheart, some us just don't need the discipline of teacher and classroom to figure things out, we're intelligent enough to bypass that system. Cheers!
CommitmentPhobe Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 In the corporate world, does it matter if you are a nerd and graduated from berkeley but have no peoples skill what so ever and lack the likability factor that is ever so important in the business world? Do you think companies or sales rep would sign over multi million dollar contracts to someone that don't like? A huge amount of new millionaires not to mention quite a few billionaires are graduates that have grown out of CS departments from top flight universities in recent years as have biotechs etc. I think you're just insecure about your lack of education to make such a statement. To say nerds without people skills don't make it in the corporate world means you probably haven't had much experience of it. For instance there are special roles created for quants without any people skills whatsoever and they get huge amounts of money thrown at them. Also your industry is cyclical and I don't think anyone would like to be into real estate right now.
awesomeness43 Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 A huge amount of new millionaires not to mention quite a few billionaires are graduates that have grown out of CS departments from top flight universities in recent years as have biotechs etc. I think you're just insecure about your lack of education to make such a statement. To say nerds without people skills don't make it in the corporate world means you probably haven't had much experience of it. For instance there are special roles created for quants without any people skills whatsoever and they get huge amounts of money thrown at them. Also your industry is cyclical and I don't think anyone would like to be into real estate right now. To say that i am insecure about my lack of education without knowing me and only judging me only on the basis that i temporarily delayed college is immature. The fact that i had a 3.6 gpa and was accepted to many UC's but instead chose this route should mean i am not uneducated what so ever. It simply means i believe in myself, and my abilities as a person. Thank you for proving my point, i agree that one's income in the real estate business fluctuates dramatically. The fact that at this age and still hitting 6 figures doing REO packages, short sales, commercial real estate, and fha loans in this market means that it is not about the market or your surroundings but about yourself and how you change and adapt to survive. When the market pick up there is no doubt i was flourish. There are many real estate agents/brokers struggling that are older than i, and that is because they don't have the skills it takes to strive and weather the storm.
monkey00 Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I agree that what you do on your job speaks a lot about your personality, but I think it's only a temporary affect if any. Though on second hand, the women I've dated never quite seemed to care much what I did but they liked the fact I was always ambitious and always jumping jobs...not too much jumping boat nowadays, which I admit has taken quite a hit on me. But a woman who's looking more for a provider figure would be ok if a guy had a boring job title but made 6 digits. A woman who's least likely to look for a provider would look more towards personality and what you do for a living. I think the status quo changes from one person to the next.
lovestruck818 Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I agree that what you do on your job speaks a lot about your personality, but I think it's only a temporary affect if any. Though on second hand, the women I've dated never quite seemed to care much what I did but they liked the fact I was always ambitious and always jumping jobs...not too much jumping boat nowadays, which I admit has taken quite a hit on me. But a woman who's looking more for a provider figure would be ok if a guy had a boring job title but made 6 digits. A woman who's least likely to look for a provider would look more towards personality and what you do for a living. I think the status quo changes from one person to the next. I agree. A female who can and wants to provide for herself (and her mate as well) wouldn't give a crap about how much her partner makes. For me, I am the sole breadwinner right now in my relationship as my boyfriend has lost his job. Personally I enjoy it and one day when we have kids, if he wants to stay home, I would be perfectly content with bringing home the bacon. I have no desire to not work- i would be so completely bored. But beyond that, for me since i make my own living, it only really matters to me what his title is...or what he does not so much what he makes. Someone who works in sanitation but maybe makes a lot of money is not as impressive to me as a lawyer or doctor or teacher making half or a quarter or whatever less than the sanitation worker. It's really what you do that is important, IMO. (And I'm not putting down sanitation workers...but to me it's just an ok job...it doesn't impress me...then again my job probably doesn't impress a lot of people either).
stillafool Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I think that men who are educated do care about what their wife does for a living. They do want a woman of equal education and a good career. I think they feel the same way women do regarding this subject. It seems that it is only the "powerful" men who do not care about these kinds of things and usually will chose a woman based on her sex appeal.
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