woods321 Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 This is my point. Speaking for myself, and any man I have ever met, a womans career, title, or income means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to them. I can honestly say from the bottom of my heart I would be as interested in a teacher or waitress that makes 25k a year as I would be a lawyer, doctor, or CEO. It is truly no indication of intelligence, or how well she would treat me, or if she would be loyal,if she is fun, or if she is good company. There are more important things than money. Now until women can say that, and mean it, you have to face the fact that you ARE NOT EQUAL to men. You have the same rights, but you do not have the same traits that make men, men. You re conflicted because you still yearn to be taken care of, yet also want to appear to be equal and independent. You cant have everything. At least admit you want to be taken care of, and drop the false personae of being an "independent" woman.
Lucky555 Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 First thing i ask guys is "what they do!" i can find out all about them and how much they like their job, how committed they are, and how long they have been with their company. This lets me know these things IF they can commit to their job then they are more likely to make a commitment in a relationship. They are happy where they are in life and are ready for a relationship and hopefully a long term one. If they are enthused about what they do it means they spend most of their time doing something that the like to do and are generally happy. Therefore they are not looking for a relationship with me to fill the void of being unhappy most of their time. If the person is unhappy all day long and then goes home to his gf then it wouldn't be good for them...it would be troublesome in my opinion..it also shows me that the guy has a drive to not tolerate an occupation where he is unhappy and it shows me he has strength and determination to do what he wants! As far as income...yeah it does matter a bit to me....but if he makes at least 35,0000 or more, or is going to school to have a degree for what he wants to pursue, or he is starting a business...then i would think they are quality guys for me, some else may have another guideline for themselves.
Lucky555 Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 Woods321: I can honestly say from the bottom of my heart I would be as interested in a teacher or waitress that makes 25k a year as I would be a lawyer, doctor, or CEO. It is truly no indication of intelligence, or how well she would treat me, or if she would be loyal,if she is fun, or if she is good company. There are more important things than money. Now until women can say that, and mean it, you have to face the fact that you ARE NOT EQUAL to men. You have the same rights, but you do not have the same traits that make men, men. You re conflicted because you still yearn to be taken care of, yet also want to appear to be equal and independent. You cant have everything. At least admit you want to be taken care of, and drop the false personae of being an "independent" woman. I disagree, men are the same way...A LOT OF PEOPLE right now would probably love to have a stash of money and be set for the rest of their life! Therefore men and women like security! "independent women"? hahaha seriously...i know plenty of men who want a sugar mama to take care of them The point here is that your saying men and woman are not equal. We are not the same gender, but when it comes to pay ...yes we are equally and are highly qualified human beings. Anyone else have a take on this hahaha! Oh yeah and did you know women have a right to vote to and they can make choices?
woods321 Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 Yes people like money. Men do not choose a mate based on her income. It does not matter. That is the difference. They don't get hard hearing that the woman has a title. Men know why you are asking the question. Thats why it is so annoying. Of course in the loveshack world it will never be admitted.
Leoni Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 To offset the misogynist argument, if a man doesn't care about what a woman does for a living, in essence he doesn't care about her as a whole, especially if her job matters to her. It's possible to construe that the man only wants her as a slab of meat that can giggle on command, be arm trophy and the best lay he's ever had. Yes, I'm very interested in what a man does for a living. Career is important to most men so it's important to me because I care about him as an entire person. His career doesn't turn me on sexually or emotionally but it helps me to understand how he perceives himself.
Lizzie60 Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 Ladies, what is more important to you, a guy's income level or his job title? or both? Example, when I was the general manager of a restaurant making 70k a year, a lot of women would dismiss me as soon as I told them I was the manager of a restaurant, regardless of the fact I made good money, I had a friend who was a pilot for a small airline making 26k a year, and women thought he was great because he was a pilot. I would say that the income is important, the job title, the type of car, the way he dresses.. his hygiene, if he's good looking... these are all of equal importance..
Lovely Disaster Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 That is not true. It is the same as asking their hobbies, etc. I mean, when you're getting to know someone, it's just a natural question, right there with "Where did you grow up?" "Where did you go to college?" etc. Or do you feel that there should be no getting to know each other on a date and not talk at all, lol? Your views are totally whack. I think you must be ashamed of your own job. Yes people like money. Men do not choose a mate based on her income. It does not matter. That is the difference. They don't get hard hearing that the woman has a title. Men know why you are asking the question. Thats why it is so annoying. Of course in the loveshack world it will never be admitted.
Author jadedone Posted July 29, 2008 Author Posted July 29, 2008 I find this all very interesting. I'm getting bored of poker and I'm looking for a new career, so I want something that I enjoy and women respect.
Lovely Disaster Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 As far as a career, you should do something you enjoy because you do spend a lot of your time in life at work. For me, it is important that I have a challenging, creative job, and those types of jobs are ones that require a college education.
BoooredGuy Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Interesting post. It depends on the person. My dad never graduated high school, and he started off with $20.00 and turned it to over $5 million. Mom doesn't work, 4 kids, and 30 years of marriage. Oh, and he has an accent and is as blue collar as they come. I pursued education, landed the fast track gig, and now after 3 years of it, I don't know what's worse - the people and culture that I am surrounded by at work or the boredom of my job. I learn something new everyday at work, and am compensated well, but that doesn't mean I am passionate about it. I am switching to something far from lucrative in the near future, but something which I want to do. Passion in what you do is far more important than anything else. Shrug. Maybe I'm an anomaly in this respect. With women, a PhD, an MD, a JD, an MBA, or any other alphabet soup concoction won't impress me, nor will it turn me on. It tells me you know how to study and take exams, had the discipline and patience to pursue goals, and had something that drove you to do it. That driving force is what interests me far more than anything about a woman.
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 True, but you control your own destiny. Everyday is your own. I take 2- 3 month vacations anytime I choose. So, for me, a woman who does not work at all, or a self employed woman is the way for me to go. I mean that great to have a nice titrl, but if you spend your life at the office, it isnt much of a life. Your last phrase isn't really true. I spend at least 13 hours a day at my office. I make a ton of money and have a great life...b/c I have money to do the things I want to do. No work= no money= no fun. Working a lot allows me to buy all the crazy expensive sh*t I want, eat at whatever restaurants I want, pay all my bills, put some in the bank and still have money to spend on my boyfriend.
awesomeness43 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Just a random question. I wonder what women think of my job title. Real estate agent/ financial consultant? When i first meet women i tend to sometimes avoid the job title and just say student to feel them out. ie... at clubs or parties i tell people im a real estate agent or financial consultant then i get confused as to if they really want me or the money or my style. I find it funny when i tell older people *im 18* i took a year off college and theyre quick to judge as if im dumb or dropped out and then see me pull out in my m3 and tell them why i delayed my education and realize i make 80-100k annual. It does matter to guys in my opinion, maybe age range of 18-25 how much money a woman has. If anyone has read my previous thread i was torn over what to do because at this age i have yet to meet a girl that has more money than i. My current gf at first i was really bothered because she had alot of money and came from money and had little to no overhead bills. It all comes down to a pride issue but if you really care about each other it shouldnt matter what their income, job title is.
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Just a random question. I wonder what women think of my job title. Real estate agent/ financial consultant? When i first meet women i tend to sometimes avoid the job title and just say student to feel them out. ie... at clubs or parties i tell people im a real estate agent or financial consultant then i get confused as to if they really want me or the money or my style. I find it funny when i tell older people *im 18* i took a year off college and theyre quick to judge as if im dumb or dropped out and then see me pull out in my m3 and tell them why i delayed my education and realize i make 80-100k annual. It does matter to guys in my opinion, maybe age range of 18-25 how much money a woman has. If anyone has read my previous thread i was torn over what to do because at this age i have yet to meet a girl that has more money than i. My current gf at first i was really bothered because she had alot of money and came from money and had little to no overhead bills. It all comes down to a pride issue but if you really care about each other it shouldnt matter what their income, job title is. To me it's not the money that matters...it's really job title and if you have an education. Maybe you do make all that money and that is great, but you are not educated, and sadly a lot of people look down upon that. I make a little more annually a year than you do. I have a bachelor's degree. My company will not hire anyone who doesn't have one. It's something that's becoming more and more of a necessity...whether or not you make a lot of money.
replicator Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I'm single and make 80K, which is sadly barely enough to maintain a decent lifestyle where I live. When I was in school - I thought, I'd go after my passion, but now that I've pursued it, sometimes I wonder if I should just go after the money. Whatever you do will become boring, so you need continued stimulation, growth, and ultimately rewards to keep you interested. It's true that money doesn't buy you happiness, but it buys you time away from the office. Time to sit on a beach and write poetry. Time to spend with family and friends. Time is the one thing you can't buy, but money frees you up to enjoy it in the way you want.
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I'm single and make 80K, which is sadly barely enough to maintain a decent lifestyle where I live. When I was in school - I thought, I'd go after my passion, but now that I've pursued it, sometimes I wonder if I should just go after the money. Whatever you do will become boring, so you need continued stimulation, growth, and ultimately rewards to keep you interested. It's true that money doesn't buy you happiness, but it buys you time away from the office. Time to sit on a beach and write poetry. Time to spend with family and friends. Time is the one thing you can't buy, but money frees you up to enjoy it in the way you want. Money 100% buys happiness. How happy would you be if you were living on the street? Can you honestly say you would be happy with no money? The things you say that money buys you- "time away from the office" or "time with family & friends"- doesn't that stuff make you happy? I am assuming it does...so how can you sit there and say money doesn't buy you happiness?
replicator Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Money 100% buys happiness. How happy would you be if you were living on the street? Can you honestly say you would be happy with no money? The things you say that money buys you- "time away from the office" or "time with family & friends"- doesn't that stuff make you happy? I am assuming it does...so how can you sit there and say money doesn't buy you happiness? I know many wealthy people, and some of them are the most miserable people you would ever meet. I said that money helps you to free up your time, which you could use to be happy, but there is no guarantee. I never said that money has no relation to happiness, of course without you wouldn't be able to have your basic needs covered. Some people just get by, but they have some of things that money can't buy. A supportive and loving partner, a warm family.. Good health. These are worth infinitely more to me. Money can help, but it isn't 100% happiness. If it is for you, then good for you.
awesomeness43 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I agree with you. But the fact that i took a year off doesn't mean i am uneducated. I had a 3.6 gpa in school and well versed. However, i am attending a jc come september just to be able to transfer to berkeley because i was unable to get in. Thus, also allowing me to work part time. I am a firm believer that just because you have graduated from a prestigious college does not mean you are smarter than the average person. It just means you are book smart and have alot of discipline. I believe people skills and the charismatic you are and how well you network would allow you to come across as smart and likable would get you much further than any degree. This is especially true in the business field. So before you are quick to judge and classify anyone who does not or did not attend college as "uneducated" it would be nice if you get the whole story first.... Btw, money is everything. Materialistic things and money may not necessarily make you happy but with money, it has the ability for you to be worry free and not have to work and have more free time to spend with family/friends and do what you are passionate about.
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I agree with you. But the fact that i took a year off doesn't mean i am uneducated. I had a 3.6 gpa in school and well versed. However, i am attending a jc come september just to be able to transfer to berkeley because i was unable to get in. Thus, also allowing me to work part time. I am a firm believer that just because you have graduated from a prestigious college does not mean you are smarter than the average person. It just means you are book smart and have alot of discipline. I believe people skills and the charismatic you are and how well you network would allow you to come across as smart and likable would get you much further than any degree. This is especially true in the business field. So before you are quick to judge and classify anyone who does not or did not attend college as "uneducated" it would be nice if you get the whole story first.... Btw, money is everything. Materialistic things and money may not necessarily make you happy but with money, it has the ability for you to be worry free and not have to work and have more free time to spend with family/friends and do what you are passionate about. Gpa means nothing. I graduated college with a 2.4 GPA yet b/c I graduated college, I am considered in the career world, as "educated." Am I smart? No. Am I educated? Yes. That's where the difference is. One can't use the terms interchangably.
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I agree with you. But the fact that i took a year off doesn't mean i am uneducated. I had a 3.6 gpa in school and well versed. However, i am attending a jc come september just to be able to transfer to berkeley because i was unable to get in. Thus, also allowing me to work part time. I am a firm believer that just because you have graduated from a prestigious college does not mean you are smarter than the average person. It just means you are book smart and have alot of discipline. I believe people skills and the charismatic you are and how well you network would allow you to come across as smart and likable would get you much further than any degree. This is especially true in the business field. So before you are quick to judge and classify anyone who does not or did not attend college as "uneducated" it would be nice if you get the whole story first.... Btw, money is everything. Materialistic things and money may not necessarily make you happy but with money, it has the ability for you to be worry free and not have to work and have more free time to spend with family/friends and do what you are passionate about. I don't respect anyone who doesn't think they havwe to work...
awesomeness43 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 isnt that the whole point of retirement? For the average american, its work hard your whole life so youre comfortable enough to not have to do anything and do the things you enjoy? how is it different that youre smart enough to make enough money young to not have to work or set up a structure where you have residual income?
Lovely Disaster Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I don't see what the big deal is. If average Joe's can come on here posting how important it is for a woman to be under 30 with fake boobs and absolutely no cellulte to get a man, then what is wrong with me at least wanting a guy to make a decent living? Woods and Manmaxewell, you know I am directing this at you guys.
IrishCarBomb Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I don't see what the big deal is. If average Joe's can come on here posting how important it is for a woman to be under 30 with fake boobs and absolutely no cellulte to get a man, then what is wrong with me at least wanting a guy to make a decent living? Because both strategies are severely misguided. Neither one justifies the other.
Lovely Disaster Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Because both strategies are severely misguided. Neither one justifies the other. I don't see how wanting to date a man making a decent living is severely misguided. Sorry, I don't want to date a Wal-Mart greeter. I have a Master's Degree and have a professional career. Not saying my SO would have a Masters Degree, but he's not going to be making minimum wage at Wal-Mart as a cashier. We wouldn't be compatible. A wal-Mart greeter would likely be uneducated and not really movitaved. We're assuming they're not old and retired and just doing it for fun. I don't want some guy who struggles and lives paycheck to paycheck. I'm 40 years old, forget that. A guy is going to need to have it together enough to have a career and have it together financially, and luckily they aren't hard to find. This does not make me a gold-digger, either, I just want a guy who has it together.
BoooredGuy Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I am a firm believer that just because you have graduated from a prestigious college does not mean you are smarter than the average person. It just means you are book smart and have alot of discipline. I believe people skills and the charismatic you are and how well you network would allow you to come across as smart and likable would get you much further than any degree. This is especially true in the business field. I couldn't agree more. I work with guys from Berkeley, MIT and Yale along others. They're smart, but most lack people skills and are actually quite lazy. People skills will trump education hands down. I have a Master's Degree and have a professional career. That doesn't tell me much. I can argue that outside of a top 10 (top 25 to be generous) program, that graduate or professional school is a waste of time. The majority of programs out there are bunk, so if someone tells me that they have X, Y and Z degrees, then I ask 'Oh, where did you go?' Everyone and there mom goes to grad. school nowadays, and talks about it like they are now in the upper echelons of society. You are not, and I would not consider that person to be a rung up the ladder over someone who works at a retail chain. The same can be said about college. Everyone goes to college, so my question is 'where?' if I want to get a good picture of who someone is. You only need formal education if what you want to do requires it. I know quite a few people who never went to school beyond high school and they make great money, including one that makes over $500k a year and another who made $1.3 mil. last year. Contempt prior to investigation. Get to know the Walmart greeter and what his story is before you pass judgment.
lovestruck818 Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 I couldn't agree more. I work with guys from Berkeley, MIT and Yale along others. They're smart, but most lack people skills and are actually quite lazy. People skills will trump education hands down. That doesn't tell me much. I can argue that outside of a top 10 (top 25 to be generous) program, that graduate or professional school is a waste of time. The majority of programs out there are bunk, so if someone tells me that they have X, Y and Z degrees, then I ask 'Oh, where did you go?' Everyone and there mom goes to grad. school nowadays, and talks about it like they are now in the upper echelons of society. You are not, and I would not consider that person to be a rung up the ladder over someone who works at a retail chain. The same can be said about college. Everyone goes to college, so my question is 'where?' if I want to get a good picture of who someone is. You only need formal education if what you want to do requires it. I know quite a few people who never went to school beyond high school and they make great money, including one that makes over $500k a year and another who made $1.3 mil. last year. Contempt prior to investigation. Get to know the Walmart greeter and what his story is before you pass judgment. It doesn't matter how much money someone makes. There is no excuse for someone to not have a bachelor's degree.
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