Art_Critic Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 She won 150,000 when she only made 81,000. Its obviously more than lost wages. If you read the link I posted earlier it is one years wages plus the benefits that she had to give up.. Insurance and 401k are benefits and carry a dollar value... She might have also had other benefits too.. They then also gave her cost of living on that.. The 150k was just for lost wages...
I Luv the Chariot OH Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 "Juror Delita Smith said after the trial that the jury decided on the amount by calculating one year of Shell’s old salary working as a human resources manager at a newspaper company in Pensacola, counting a 15 percent annual bonus and benefits valued at up to $40,000." What I don't understand is how she was awarded a year's salary (plus bonuses, plus benefits) for a relationship that essentially lasted two months (or five, if you count the three months she lived there after he broke up with her). They keep saying the basis for this is "breach of contract" but then technically, isn't every broken engagement a breach of contract? Every marriage that ends in divorce? I don't understand how this one bitter lady got singled out for 150k!
havoc Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 Sheesh, you guys don't care a whit about the details of the case, or even to argue its merits or demerits. So why bother? It's an unusual case, which is why it made the news in the first place. But yeah, it's an unusual enough case for some to come out and slap their brush over an entire gender. Yuck.
Art_Critic Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 Art, are you very slow? She was awarded 150k for punitive damages. If you aren't sure what it means, look it up. She lost wages for 2 months!!!! Not 2 years!!!! How does that equal 150k? You really ought to learn how to read... Talk about me being slow... Juror Delita Smith said after the trial that the jury decided on the amount by calculating one year of Shell’s old salary working as a human resources manager at a newspaper company in Pensacola, counting a 15 percent annual bonus and benefits valued at up to $40,000.
BUENG1 Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 If you read the link I posted earlier it is one years wages plus the benefits that she had to give up.. Insurance and 401k are benefits and carry a dollar value... She might have also had other benefits too.. They then also gave her cost of living on that.. The 150k was just for lost wages... Those numbers add up to less than 150,000. 81,000-31,000= 50,000 and the other benifits they said were 40,000. That equals 90,000
Art_Critic Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 Those numbers add up to less than 150,000. 81,000-31,000= 50,000 and the other benifits they said were 40,000. That equals 90,000 I no expert but I think there are more than 12 months involved here..
Lovely Disaster Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 Well, how long were they in a committed relationship? My understanding is that she moved to be with him, but they were in a committed relationship long before that. Also, those of you who are saying that just because this woman is in her 50s and not a "hot babe" or whatever, you're saying that the only thing she could possibly offer this guy was sex and that is just wrong. We don't know the dynamics of the relationship and at one point they must have been in love enough to plan marriage.
Ariadne Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 What grounds would he have to appeal on ?.. On the grounds that the guy had a "right" to break up with her. And on the grounds that the woman quit her job "on her own will". The judgment is faulty.
Art_Critic Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 On the grounds that the guy had a "right" to break up with her. And on the grounds that the woman quit her job "on her own will". The judgment is faulty. You have to have legal grounds Ariadne.. The guy had his turn in court to counter her charges.. he wasn't able to do it and he lost..
BUENG1 Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 You have to have legal grounds Ariadne.. The guy had his turn in court to counter her charges.. he wasn't able to do it and he lost.. All we have is the verdict, nothing else, who knows what grounds he has. Maybe the jury was biased maybe irrelevant information was introduced that the judge didn't throw out. Who knows. But the guys lawyer said he was going to appeal and coupled with the fact that judgment makes no sense it's likely he has grounds to appeal.
just-a-girl Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 Those numbers add up to less than 150,000. 81,000-31,000= 50,000 and the other benifits they said were 40,000. That equals 90,000 What about the cost of the wedding? At 3 days out you don't get your money back and women/women's families typically pay for weddings that is just a thought. Clearly a lot of you have never been through calling off a wedding. I had to call off my wedding 3 weeks before and I lost a lot of the money that we had put into it.
Mermaiden Posted July 26, 2008 Posted July 26, 2008 So shall I go sue my exbf for abusing me and taking a lot of my money and then threatening my life so badly i had to sell my condo and move 100 miles away ? Im only half kidding. He kept stalking me online even after I moved away and stupidly emailed me that I deserved to be slapped more than I was. I didn't work full time for a few years because he was an out of work ad guy and MADE me go pound the pavements of NYC with his portfolios. No he didnt support me ... i lived on my own and he still mooched off me for website hosting, coffees, dinners. (You can see my original thread on him from years ago) He now makes 400k a year. Overpaid creative . He is talented. just an evil abusive psychopath. Wow I didnt know you could sue over this kind of stuff. Oh and yeah this woman in the story is abhorrent. Im eating crumbs right now rather than ask any man Im dating for a one red cent. Im seeing a guy who makes millions. and there is still no way I would ask him for anything. . Some women have no pride.
woods321 Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Do you really think this old lady that was in debt paid a penny towards any wedding. please tel us where you read that. For those of you who still cannot read... According to Shell, the couple had intended to get married when her youngest son went off to college in 2005. When that didn’t happen, she broke up with Gibbs and moved to Pensacola, where she landed a human resources job that paid $81,000 with benefits. Trying to carry on with her life, she started to date someone new.But in October 2006, Gibbs asked her to move back to Gainesville — and he proposed with a 2-carat diamond ring. Shell said yes. A wedding date of Dec. 2 was set. About a month after Shell moved back in with Gibbs, however, Gibbs expressed second thoughts in a note he left in their bathroom: He wanted to postpone the wedding. Gibbs and Shell stayed together a few more months before officially parting in March 2007. Shell chose to take legal action and sued three months later. “Primarily because he made a promise to me and I relied on that promise and gave up a lot of things because of that promise,” Shell explained. “And I suffered significantly for it,” she added. “I just felt like people shouldn’t be allowed to do people that way.” During the three-day trial, Shell testified that she had given up a good salary with benefits to move back with Gibbs. In her current job, in the accounting department at North Georgia College and State University, Shell is making $31,000 a year. Gibbs testified that he took Shell on several skiing trips during their renewed partnership, made house payments for her, and gave her $30,000 to pay off some of her credit-card debt. He claimed he got cold feet after learning she had even more debt. I
Lovely Disaster Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Yeah, but none of that counts because it was all gifts. Going on trips together - well if he chose to pay for the hotels and airfare and whatnot, and if he chose to pay of her credit card, that was his choice as a gift, just like a birthday present. As far as further debt as the reason he called off the wedding for good, he lied about that and made up that reason.
Mermaiden Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 WOw. what a piece of work. when i think of the incredible mind boggling stress Im under financially (thru no fault of my own) I would like to smack this woman very hard. Scum. I would go be a cocktail waitress in vegas before mooching off a boyfriend.
woods321 Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 This mans past actions exhibited that he did put in effort. He helped her. He helped her financially by making her house payments, credit car payments, and taking her on vacations. He bought her an engagement ring. He invited her to live with him. So obviously he must have had feelings for her. So, we can conclude either.. A. He is some psycho who loves to help people, lure them in, and then play games intentionally? B. He really did want to marry this woman, but something happened that made him realize it would be a big mistake. (And if you look at her actions afterwards, he was right) Now answer this. Why is this woman in such a hurry to marry? Why leave a job in which she was actually self sufficient? She cant have another family. It isn't for her children as they are grown. It boils down to one reason. If she "loved" this man, why couldn't they just live together? MONEY. She kept accepting "gifts" of thousands of dollars. She wanted the big payoff. Perhaps this guy came to his senses and realized he is better of letting his children have his money when he passes, than this woman. I am amazed at how many women come on to my 75 year old father. (he had me at a late age) (women in 40s and 50s). They are money grubbing WHORES wanting to get married for a couple years to get a big chunk of change. I don't feel the above case is much different.
Lookingforward Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Hmm... no. Maybe he thought that she was an honest, sweet person. And living with her he realized that she was a piece of sht. That's why he broke up. Interesting to see you side with the guy - what a surprise
Lookingforward Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 If you really feel this way about women then something tells me you will be single an awfully long time A woman doesn't just OPEN her legs and that is it.. What an idiotic statement.. for the sake of all women out there - we can hope
Lookingforward Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 So shall I go sue my exbf for abusing me and taking a lot of my money and then threatening my life so badly i had to sell my condo and move 100 miles away ? Im only half kidding. He kept stalking me online even after I moved away and stupidly emailed me that I deserved to be slapped more than I was. I didn't work full time for a few years because he was an out of work ad guy and MADE me go pound the pavements of NYC with his portfolios. No he didnt support me ... i lived on my own and he still mooched off me for website hosting, coffees, dinners. (You can see my original thread on him from years ago) He now makes 400k a year. Overpaid creative . He is talented. just an evil abusive psychopath. Wow I didnt know you could sue over this kind of stuff. Oh and yeah this woman in the story is abhorrent. Im eating crumbs right now rather than ask any man Im dating for a one red cent. Im seeing a guy who makes millions. and there is still no way I would ask him for anything. . Some women have no pride. Maybe you should - maybe if more women did, there would be less scumbags thinking they can do this kind of thing wth impunity these days.........
Lookingforward Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Point is - she sued, she stated her case and won...and all your bitter venting and vetching won't change that..... Bottom line - is her win really affecting YOUR life ? -- don't think so
woods321 Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Why is he a scumbag? Thats what I don't understand. He helped her greatly. She is one of those dumb whores that cant manage money. He paid off a lot of her debt to be nice. Why was she so intent on being married? HMMMMM.. To take more of his money, obviously. She thought she hit the jackpot. Its not like she is in her early 20's and wanted to build a life with this man. Or start a family. She is too old for that. What career did she give up? A job that she had for less than a year? it seems she should be able to get another.
Mermaiden Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Maybe you should - maybe if more women did, there would be less scumbags thinking they can do this kind of thing wth impunity these days......... Yes I wish I had the nerve to. Sad to say he is SO psycho that I think he would make good on his threats to KILL ME (and any new bf - he even compared me to nicole simpson) and dump my body in a river. (he made these threats 11/06) Im glad at least I have a complaint against him on file from years ago with the police. They said they would keep it on file in case I changed my mind o r he ever did anything else. But ya know I dont know if all the money in the world is worth EVER having to deal with him again. Im just sorry I spent so much money on him. World class moocher. He even charged stuff to my credit cards for his web hosting because it was on file with his domain registration. bah Thankfully men like him are few and far between. anyway back top the chick in the story. at least now the only men wanting to date her will be minor league male golddiggers. lol
Mermaiden Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Why is he a scumbag? Thats what I don't understand. I believe the scumbag remark was someone referring to me talking about my psycho abusive ex and maybe suing him.
woods321 Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Ok, this is what troubles me. How can any person stick up for this woman? He already spent AT LEAST 50,000 on her. Paying her debt,house payments etc. I don't care what anyone says, he spent his money to help this woman. That was extremely generous of him. He did also buy her a 2 carat diamond ring, that I doubt was "cheap". His prior generosity does not make it seem like he was the type to skimp. I can see how he might have loved her, but was confused about her possible lack of love for him, since he was the giver, and she was the taker. She OBVIOUSLY did not lose 150,000 by moving to be with him. She quit her job and spent 2 months with him before the "note" YES, the jury awarded it. Does that make it ethically right? What happened to people with morals and ethics? Personal responsibility? Being a man with much more than a woman makes the man definitely have second thoughts as to her intentions. His intuition was accurate.
Woggle Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 How is a man a scumbag for breaking off a relationship? Women do it all the time but if a man takes his destiny in his own hands he is a scumbag.
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