Author Hyperpen12000 Posted July 9, 2008 Author Posted July 9, 2008 Men tell us all they time that they use porn because they're bored having sex with the same woman. It's the number 1 justification I hear banded about all the time. Here's my take on your position men crave variety the onus is on the woman to be constantly thinking up ways to make sex new and enticing, she's also expected to never decline an activity he suggests..he might get bored and go with whatever his plan B is. No, that is the wrong assumption to what I'm saying, They're both responsible for keeping their relationship/marriage new and interesting. I was just explaining from a males perspective. If you remember, I said that a guy has to keep the romance fresh as well... Now the other shoe drops.... no matter what she does to keep things fresh, over a marriage that spans decades he's going to get "bored" anyway and fall right back on his plan B. In most cases No and Yes.... A woman will fall back into reading or watching about romance more than usual if she's being deprived of it. If you're deprived of your fantasies, you'll most likely enjoy watching someone else live them out. Now if your S/O wants you to do some outrageous stuff like urine on him, or have a threesome, that definitely leaves room for concern!! That's wrong. Now nobody gets things 100% their way all of the time but the above seems really unbalanced and as such the time to be hashing out this issues would be well BEFORE the wedding,not ten years in. Well that's the way you perceive it because that's not what I was arguing. My comparing paying for dinner and drinks is comparible to what you've laid out in that we went into this marriage with the understanding that it will be me doing all the earning and all of the paying. I still don't understand what you're say.... My deciding to switch up now, to announce that this deal now bores me,would be just the same as him announcing that being sexually exclusive with me is too boring. Yes, and that is wrong for a guy to say if his S/O has been keeping things new. Vice versa... It's like you're saying that when you get in a relationship, look forward to things getting boring and routine, and if you can't deal with it you're wrong and a bad individual. Btw, at this point in time I've decided that monogamy is a total crock, there's no benefit to be gained by pledging physical fidelity to anybody and far more perks to be gained in remaining single and playing the field and that's for both men and women. Well it's delusional to think that pledging physical fidelity by opposing porn is even physical when it's visual.
soserious1 Posted July 9, 2008 Posted July 9, 2008 Hyperpen, What I'm saying is that it's better to stay single,then each party is free to seek out a never ending stream of variety and spice with no explainations owed, no excuses needing to be made. Marriage and commitment are imho total bullshiat, the negatives about marriage far,far outweigh any possible benefits from where I sit.
Mr. Lucky Posted July 9, 2008 Posted July 9, 2008 Marriage and commitment are imho total bullshiat, the negatives about marriage far,far outweigh any possible benefits from where I sit. Then you're not sitting in my house. The relationship I'm lucky enough to have with my wife is the best thing that ever happened to me... Mr. Lucky
soserious1 Posted July 9, 2008 Posted July 9, 2008 Then you're not sitting in my house. The relationship I'm lucky enough to have with my wife is the best thing that ever happened to me... Mr. Lucky Well, you seem like a really nice person and I'm glad your experience is different.
soserious1 Posted July 9, 2008 Posted July 9, 2008 Oh and Hyperpen, Not all women want/value romance. I don't want flowers, I want my husband to grab me roughly by my hair, force my legs open with his knee and ram his penis up my anus without foreplay or preamble. I want him to order me to my knees ,unzip his fly, whip out his penis and say "suck"" I want sex, hard,hot ,dirty, nasty and as often as as he can manage. I'll buy my own flowers and if I need hand holding, hearts and sympathies ..well that's what my girlfriends are for.
annieo Posted July 9, 2008 Posted July 9, 2008 Oh and Hyperpen, Not all women want/value romance. I don't want flowers, I want my husband to grab me roughly by my hair, force my legs open with his knee and ram his penis up my anus without foreplay or preamble. I want him to order me to my knees ,unzip his fly, whip out his penis and say "suck"" I want sex, hard,hot ,dirty, nasty and as often as as he can manage. I'll buy my own flowers and if I need hand holding, hearts and sympathies ..well that's what my girlfriends are for. Ouch, anal with no foreplay (or lube)? I hope you're really drunk if this happens. But I respect and agree with the general message here. I am soooo sick of hearing about how women only want candlelit dinners and sweet lovemaking. Very nice now and then, but boring and predictable if that's all you get. I don't think men and women are all that different in terms of their sexual wants/needs. We like to mix it up a little too. And hyperpen, do you really think that those confessionals at the beginning of pornos are frank words from the actress? Seriously? They're scripted, meant to get the guys (or girls) hot before the action begins.
Author Hyperpen12000 Posted July 9, 2008 Author Posted July 9, 2008 Oh and Hyperpen, Not all women want/value romance. I don't want flowers, I want my husband to grab me roughly by my hair, force my legs open with his knee and ram his penis up my anus without foreplay or preamble. I want him to order me to my knees ,unzip his fly, whip out his penis and say "suck"" I want sex, hard,hot ,dirty, nasty and as often as as he can manage. I'll buy my own flowers and if I need hand holding, hearts and sympathies ..well that's what my girlfriends are for. Well if you think that's all girlfriends are for, I see why you want to stay single....
SunnySideUp Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Hyperpen, What I'm saying is that it's better to stay single,then each party is free to seek out a never ending stream of variety and spice with no explainations owed, no excuses needing to be made. Marriage and commitment are imho total bullshiat, the negatives about marriage far,far outweigh any possible benefits from where I sit. wow... i feel bad for you for having whatever awful experience gave you that view on marriage. I have the same view as Mr. Lucky, my husband and our life together is the best thing that's every happened to me.
Author Hyperpen12000 Posted July 10, 2008 Author Posted July 10, 2008 Ouch, anal with no foreplay (or lube)? I hope you're really drunk if this happens. But I respect and agree with the general message here. I am soooo sick of hearing about how women only want candlelit dinners and sweet lovemaking. Very nice now and then, but boring and predictable if that's all you get. I don't think men and women are all that different in terms of their sexual wants/needs. We like to mix it up a little too. And hyperpen, do you really think that those confessionals at the beginning of pornos are frank words from the actress? Seriously? They're scripted, meant to get the guys (or girls) hot before the action begins. Well if you believe that they're all fake than that's hilarious. If I've heard it in real life by regular women, then it's most likely that the female porn stars are telling the truth too. This is not just before the porn, but in short biographies they film. Jenna Jameson is a prime example. I was just giving an example of how women are very promiscuous and it's not a man's fault for it. We're blamed for everything that has to deal with porn... Are we at fault for lesbianism too?? If you act in a certain matter that you can describe with a word, you will more than likely be call that word regardless of how offensive it is.
annieo Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Well if you believe that they're all fake than that's hilarious. If I've heard it in real life by regular women, then it's most likely that the female porn stars are telling the truth too. This is not just before the porn, but in short biographies they film. Jenna Jameson is a prime example. I was just giving an example of how women are very promiscuous and it's not a man's fault for it. We're blamed for everything that has to deal with porn... Are we at fault for lesbianism too?? If you act in a certain matter that you can describe with a word, you will more than likely be call that word regardless of how offensive it is. I am quite sure that real women in real life speak their real truth (well, most of the time, depending on who they are talking to). All I was saying is that I think you are confusing acting (however real and biographical it might seem) with reality. If you wanted to know what JJ really thinks, then I guess you'd have to become her trusted friend and then listen to her. Anything done on film is going to be PART of the FILM. If she started spouting off about how she's only in it for the money, and that half the time she is making a grocery list in her head, do you think the director wouldn't edit it. Jeez! And I agree, some women are very promiscuous. And it's nobody's "fault". It's just their choice, which is their right. I'm not accusing men of turning women into anything.
hummingbird Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Well if you believe that they're all fake than that's hilarious. If I've heard it in real life by regular women, then it's most likely that the female porn stars are telling the truth too. This is not just before the porn, but in short biographies they film. Jenna Jameson is a prime example. I was just giving an example of how women are very promiscuous and it's not a man's fault for it. We're blamed for everything that has to deal with porn... Are we at fault for lesbianism too?? If you act in a certain matter that you can describe with a word, you will more than likely be call that word regardless of how offensive it is. Hyperpen Kudos to you for all the honest effort you place into your R with your SO and hopefully, you really think she is the hottest woman in your life and porn just serves a purpose .... I think you aren't representative of alot of guys tho.. and yes, guys have different reasons for selecting porn --at all consequences. but the above response you made, tho I understand is trying to make a point is really not so. the preludes are ALL scripted or paid for..... its all about getting the viewer roped in. They may very well be promiscuous--and they are sluts, whores and paid for their "work" JJ--- and the like--may love what they do..... or have visited that river in Egypt called DENIAL....... dysfunctional issues left unresolved by getting into porn. the issue may very well be that we should NOT blame men. We should hold these women more responsible for instead of respecting their gender, giving a higher integrity to being a woman---- they literally disrespect the gender and make the integrity of being a woman the cheapest, dirtiest, sluttiest-whore like image possible. I just find the oxymoron of guys thinking they are sluts and wouldn't want them in person but think they are worthy of vicarious sex with them. All the while, the lovely woman in their lives are feeling all the feelings I have heard and read about.. (reflecting the comments of women who do have issue with porn) lots of posts state that if porn is managed and not in place of sex with your SO there should be no problems with it, but really,,,, if your SO, in any way feels inadequate, hurt, betrayed, replaced, undesirable, old, unattractive, emotionally cheated on etc etc etc. then there is a change in the R with her... maybe she is less able to be open, warm open-minded, desirous of you, maybe she is more embarrassed, or more hidden, maybe she feels less confident, or even possibly less sexy... these are alllll things that can and will affect how the two people will interact on a physical level. The possibilty that if she felt thru her man's actions that he wanted her, desired her, thought she was hot and beautiful both inside and out, that she could be more open and comfortable and willing in the bedroom for many women knowing that porn is there is enough to change her disposition. Like lakeside dream posted earlier... very wise man there.. it isn't worth altering the R you can have... wouldn't a guy prefer a great, loving , hot and creative partner to enjoy sex with ?? what if you could have that --would you give up the porn? I know I love my guy, (even with his issues) our physical R is wonderful, but in the back of my mind, when I am aware of the porn- the moments are changed by... is he thinking of some porn whore, did he see this in the porn, are his eyes closed because he is recreating a scene, is he really enjoying me, does he really love my body and how I look? I am really into him and love sex with him so I am still all into it, but it isn't as free and comfortable as it is when he has had no porn lapses. masturbation isn't the issue here at all... the affects of porn, the incredible way with which it is defended, placed on the pedestal of life, treated like it is a life necessity like air and water...and often at the expense of the R and the woman in a guys life. Why do you suppose the recent porn threads have amounted to over ~ 14-15, 000 views.....???????????????? HOT topic.... mostly for women who really wish their guy, their man, the man they love and cherish would just give porn a rest.... make it a once or twice a month kind of thing... let the woman in their life know how much they love them, love their bodies, how hot they are and love their dirty sexy woman..... I bet, if there was a mutual give and take in this area, there would be alot less porn, need for porn and alot of porn business losing $ As for me, I give my ALL-- keep it as hot as I possibly can with and for my guy and for us.... make the videos with him ( my thread on this) and try to have sex with him as often as possible when we are together... about -3x a week.... I know he needs to masturbate-- but he still goes to porn... for variety, for vicarious sex with 20somethings.. I think our sex is hotter than what is in porn.... I do feel confident about that, but I am still me.... the same boring woman... that leaves me feeling less attractive, desirable, desirous, wanted, special, replaced and old... I still don't see how porn is worth that...
soserious1 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Well if you think that's all girlfriends are for, I see why you want to stay single.... no, my point is that I don't expect my husband to do the whole wine,dine, romance, "making love" deal. I also don't bore him with idle chatter, he doesn't care who said what at work or if I think Jill is cheating on Brian, he isn't interested in hearing me yammer on on typical chic topics and I don't subject him to that,that is what my female friends are for.
rainfall Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Women are just going to have to understand that men are not going to be 100% devoted to them sexually unless things are fresh and originative 100%.... Most men get bored very quickly. Just "making love" routinely just gets boring…. Change is inherent for men when it comes to sex. We’d like to experience foreplay, different areas to have sex, different positions, a little dirty and wild sex, and role-playing. Women are the same in many ways. Sometimes women like to be romanced before having sex or put in a romantic ambiance which is essentially call “change”. We are all inherent to change. If a women shows the slights bit of resistance to trying something new sexually with her SO, he might use porn or his imagination to stimulate what his desires. It maybe just for entertainment or to masturbate. Well then if men can't commit to their partner 100% of the time then they should be single. If a man is going to become this shallow jerk who would rather masturbate to trashy women they have sex with his SO then he should let her know from the start so she doesn't waste years of her life on someone who doesn't really love her.
michelangelo Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 if a man gets the urge for sex when he is away from his significant other/wife, he should alert her so he can be punished for the impurity of his commitment to the marriage. if he is being intimate with his significant other/wife she should pay attention to his level of excitement and doubt his interest in her if there is the slightest evidence of it. if his erection is not "full" or if the volume and intensity of his climax is less than she deems sufficient, then he should admit to his failings and allow her to berate him for his inadequacies. And a man should never, ever have sexual urges when his significant other/wife is not in the mood. On the other hand, if a man acts like his is fully excited with their relations and the intensity of his climax is as good as it ever can be, he should also be punished because obviously he must have been thinking of the girls of porn. Only the diligence of the hypervigilent significant other/wife in rooting out all bad things a man must be doing or not doing, especially even thinking about will save the couple from the disappointment he represents to the female ideal of what a man must be and do. Because as we all know, only a woman knows truly what a man must do or think. Actually speaking to the man is pointless because what he says must be ignored, the words are motivated by his failings.
soserious1 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 if a man gets the urge for sex when he is away from his significant other/wife, he should alert her so he can be punished for the impurity of his commitment to the marriage. if he is being intimate with his significant other/wife she should pay attention to his level of excitement and doubt his interest in her if there is the slightest evidence of it. if his erection is not "full" or if the volume and intensity of his climax is less than she deems sufficient, then he should admit to his failings and allow her to berate him for his inadequacies. And a man should never, ever have sexual urges when his significant other/wife is not in the mood. On the other hand, if a man acts like his is fully excited with their relations and the intensity of his climax is as good as it ever can be, he should also be punished because obviously he must have been thinking of the girls of porn. Only the diligence of the hypervigilent significant other/wife in rooting out all bad things a man must be doing or not doing, especially even thinking about will save the couple from the disappointment he represents to the female ideal of what a man must be and do. Because as we all know, only a woman knows truly what a man must do or think. Actually speaking to the man is pointless because what he says must be ignored, the words are motivated by his failings. Or maybe he should just stay single so he can chase skirts or jerk off to his heart's content ? It would be easier that way on both men and women.
rainfall Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Or maybe he should just stay single so he can chase skirts or jerk off to his heart's content ? It would be easier that way on both men and women. I was just about to post something like this.
soserious1 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 I was just about to post something like this. Rainfall, I have no problem with occasional use of porn, I have no problem with the fact that there are MANY,MANY women who are younger and far better looking than I am and that my man is going to look at them and wish he was boning them. The problem I have is with excess.. and with a man who's decided that the sexual part of our marriage contract is now null and void... but the parts of the contract that require me to remain physically faithful, loving and to continue paying the bills remain in effect in full force. Beyond that I'm not interested in being the thought police. I personally think monogamy is difficult and for some people downright impossible to manage over the span of decades.I just think it would be far more sporting of those men and women to come to grips with their limitations in this area and to be brutally honest about it when discussing an exclusive relationship/proposing marriage to prospective partners. I also think your POV is excessive at points and it makes me worry for you.
demrea Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 ... I want my husband to grab me roughly by my hair, force my legs open with his knee and ram his penis up my anus without foreplay or preamble. I want him to order me to my knees ,unzip his fly, whip out his penis and say "suck"" I want sex, hard,hot ,dirty, nasty and as often as as he can manage. . never mind anything else ... that was hot ... lol im blushing. carry on, as you were ...
soserious1 Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 never mind anything else ... That was hot ... Lol im blushing. Carry on, as you were ... rotflmao!!!
demrea Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 ... If a man is ...who would rather masturbate to trashy women they have sex with his SO then .... while I suppose there are cases of this, does that mean its always the case? if i was horny and seeking porn but my wife was interested in sex, there wouldnt be a second moments thought. there have been plenty of times where i was so freaking horny I wanted to get off so badly, but held it until my wife got home so that I wasnt spent and uninterested. that being said, more times than not, she was either too tired or not in the mood. argh, what a disapointment.
luvstarved Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Rainfall, I have no problem with occasional use of porn, I have no problem with the fact that there are MANY,MANY women who are younger and far better looking than I am and that my man is going to look at them and wish he was boning them. The problem I have is with excess.. and with a man who's decided that the sexual part of our marriage contract is now null and void... but the parts of the contract that require me to remain physically faithful, loving and to continue paying the bills remain in effect in full force. Beyond that I'm not interested in being the thought police. I personally think monogamy is difficult and for some people downright impossible to manage over the span of decades.I just think it would be far more sporting of those men and women to come to grips with their limitations in this area and to be brutally honest about it when discussing an exclusive relationship/proposing marriage to prospective partners. I also think your POV is excessive at points and it makes me worry for you. soserious1, I have caught snippets of your story in various posts and think you have a similar situation to mine. One thing I am not clear on is, if you had your way at this point, all things considered, would you want change or would you want out? If the latter, what is stopping you? If the former, what is stopping you? You mentioned above that you think people should be "brutally honest" but that is just what your H has done and it has hurt you to the core. Some of the anecdotes you have related suggest that your demeanor with him is of hostility and self-loathing. I can totally understand that as he has been a pig with his own demeanor, but it certainly is not a path to improvement. I have managed to make big changes in my M and we are working on continuing improvements. I think a big part of your picture is your H taking you for granted, not showing you respect at least partially because you don't to yourself, and lacking empathy and care for your point of view because...well probably because he is a selfish clod and isn't being forced to be otherwise. The ball started rolling for us (and I admit the changes are gradual but they are happening) when I sat my H down and told him that I understood his point of view and that he was free to have it, and that I did not want him to do anything he did not want to do, but that frankly, I could not live in a sexless marriage and did not want to be with someone who didn't want me. So that either we would work it out or we would get a divorce. (I had to be willing to back that up and I was...) That of course did not make him want me. But he did sit up and take notice. He started off trying to accomodate me and gradually over time is getting some enthusiasm back. That enthusiasm has been not a result of talking himself into it, or getting used to it, but an ongoing dialogue over time in which we are gradually understanding each other better, and trying to bond in ways we have not before. I am definitely the driving force here, but he has consistent reminders that I want a real marriage and am not going to settle for less and that he has to step up to the plate. I genuinely feel that his respect for me has increased in this process and that in itself has improved our sex life. It's not enough yet for me, but as I said progress is slow but steady. I am still not sure if it will ever be enough for me, but it is not time to quit yet. I wonder if something similar might work for you...???
Author Hyperpen12000 Posted July 10, 2008 Author Posted July 10, 2008 dayum - these threads refuse to die
Author Hyperpen12000 Posted July 10, 2008 Author Posted July 10, 2008 I am quite sure that real women in real life speak their real truth (well, most of the time, depending on who they are talking to). All I was saying is that I think you are confusing acting (however real and biographical it might seem) with reality. If you wanted to know what JJ really thinks, then I guess you'd have to become her trusted friend and then listen to her. Anything done on film is going to be PART of the FILM. If she started spouting off about how she's only in it for the money, and that half the time she is making a grocery list in her head, do you think the director wouldn't edit it. Jeez! And I agree, some women are very promiscuous. And it's nobody's "fault". It's just their choice, which is their right. I'm not accusing men of turning women into anything. Well that's your preconceived opinion.. I actually have substantiation to my claims. I've seen some outrageous things that you would never believe occurs by people with well respect jobs. Sometimes you have to live a little via going out an investigating. You can't predict everything in the comfort of your own home.
Author Hyperpen12000 Posted July 10, 2008 Author Posted July 10, 2008 Hyperpen Kudos to you for all the honest effort you place into your R with your SO and hopefully, you really think she is the hottest woman in your life and porn just serves a purpose .... I think you aren't representative of alot of guys tho.. and yes, guys have different reasons for selecting porn --at all consequences. but the above response you made, tho I understand is trying to make a point is really not so. the preludes are ALL scripted or paid for..... its all about getting the viewer roped in. They may very well be promiscuous--and they are sluts, whores and paid for their "work" JJ--- and the like--may love what they do..... or have visited that river in Egypt called DENIAL....... dysfunctional issues left unresolved by getting into porn. the issue may very well be that we should NOT blame men. We should hold these women more responsible for instead of respecting their gender, giving a higher integrity to being a woman---- they literally disrespect the gender and make the integrity of being a woman the cheapest, dirtiest, sluttiest-whore like image possible. I just find the oxymoron of guys thinking they are sluts and wouldn't want them in person but think they are worthy of vicarious sex with them. All the while, the lovely woman in their lives are feeling all the feelings I have heard and read about.. (reflecting the comments of women who do have issue with porn) lots of posts state that if porn is managed and not in place of sex with your SO there should be no problems with it, but really,,,, if your SO, in any way feels inadequate, hurt, betrayed, replaced, undesirable, old, unattractive, emotionally cheated on etc etc etc. then there is a change in the R with her... maybe she is less able to be open, warm open-minded, desirous of you, maybe she is more embarrassed, or more hidden, maybe she feels less confident, or even possibly less sexy... these are alllll things that can and will affect how the two people will interact on a physical level. The possibilty that if she felt thru her man's actions that he wanted her, desired her, thought she was hot and beautiful both inside and out, that she could be more open and comfortable and willing in the bedroom for many women knowing that porn is there is enough to change her disposition. Like lakeside dream posted earlier... very wise man there.. it isn't worth altering the R you can have... wouldn't a guy prefer a great, loving , hot and creative partner to enjoy sex with ?? what if you could have that --would you give up the porn? I know I love my guy, (even with his issues) our physical R is wonderful, but in the back of my mind, when I am aware of the porn- the moments are changed by... is he thinking of some porn whore, did he see this in the porn, are his eyes closed because he is recreating a scene, is he really enjoying me, does he really love my body and how I look? I am really into him and love sex with him so I am still all into it, but it isn't as free and comfortable as it is when he has had no porn lapses. masturbation isn't the issue here at all... the affects of porn, the incredible way with which it is defended, placed on the pedestal of life, treated like it is a life necessity like air and water...and often at the expense of the R and the woman in a guys life. Why do you suppose the recent porn threads have amounted to over ~ 14-15, 000 views.....???????????????? HOT topic.... mostly for women who really wish their guy, their man, the man they love and cherish would just give porn a rest.... make it a once or twice a month kind of thing... let the woman in their life know how much they love them, love their bodies, how hot they are and love their dirty sexy woman..... I bet, if there was a mutual give and take in this area, there would be alot less porn, need for porn and alot of porn business losing $ As for me, I give my ALL-- keep it as hot as I possibly can with and for my guy and for us.... make the videos with him ( my thread on this) and try to have sex with him as often as possible when we are together... about -3x a week.... I know he needs to masturbate-- but he still goes to porn... for variety, for vicarious sex with 20somethings.. I think our sex is hotter than what is in porn.... I do feel confident about that, but I am still me.... the same boring woman... that leaves me feeling less attractive, desirable, desirous, wanted, special, replaced and old... I still don't see how porn is worth that... I agree with a lot of what you said! Too much is very wrong! IF your S/O is keeping the intimacy fresh and your are keep the romance and intimacy fresh with her, then porn probably wouldn't be and issue for some. But some guys will be addicted to it even if things are being kept fresh. I think that's an addiction to sex for some, and an addiction to wanting to have sex with someone else for others. But like I said, women can't judge all guys motives for watching porn the same. This is what has most guys on these threads so bothered. Some guys, like myself, know how to not make it an necessity. Contrary to that is the fact that some women want to make it an necessity to forbid it, which also irritates most guys on these threads. It feels like an control issue. But understand more now why those women feel the way they do about porn. Porn has ruined their marriages and Relationships. Not because the women want to eliminated it because she "just doesn't like it"... It's because the men in their lives have neglected them for it... This is why they've grown an attitude of hatred for it without explaining why through personal experience. Example: If a women's last S/O when to the strip club nightly and neglected her to the point he broke up with her and cheated on her with a stripper, she is very resentful of the strip club regardless.... So when she gets her next boyfriend or husband and his friends invite him to the strip club for a birthday celebration, she is going to prohibited him from going firmly. He going to be alarmed as to why she's so stern about it when he's just going for his friend. He'll tell her that he's not into the whole strip club thing and that he's just going for a friend, but she'll tell him about how the strip club ruined her last relationship/marriage. He'll tell her that he's a different person than he was, but regardless of how much he assures her that she can trust him, she will be unwilling to compromise because of her past afflictions. Then he'll think she's being controlling and insecure. If women would explain why in detail instead of superficially, I think guys on these thread would be more understanding.... I am! But you can't hold all guys in contempt for it.
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