angie2443 Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 I saw the show last night. The only thing I had an issue with, was that Carrie and Miranda didn't get to have any fun with new men while they were taking a "break" from Big and Steve.
Author Tomcat33 Posted June 24, 2008 Author Posted June 24, 2008 OK... My reasons for wanting to see it were based on the quality of acting and cinematography I saw in the trailer. I prefer arthouse movies to Hollywood bubblegum, same as I prefer restaurants to fast food. That's fair, a trailer is the first impression of a movie so I can relate to what you are saying/feeling. Let me ask you and OWL this though: if I were to look at that statement that you just made and my computer suddenly shuts off and my eyes did a pingpong across the paragraph and all I managed to see was what I bolded here: My reasons for wanting to see it were based on the quality of acting and cinematography I saw in the trailer. I prefer arthouse movies to Hollywood bubblegum, same as I prefer restaurants to fast food I might think your paragraph lacked meaning or was kind of lame as well. But if I turn on my computer and read what your entire paragraph, as you intended for it to be interpreted, I might just think "yeah she actually has a point.";) Perception is knowledge but there is no denying that first impressions go a long way and you are entitled to want what you want and also to know what you DISlike. That's the exact problem I have with it - it presents that superficial materialism as if that was what being a woman is. It plays to all kinds of negative stereotypes - stereotypes which don't resonate with my life or the lives of any real women I know even remotely. OW you don't know ANY woman that loves to shop? That falls for the wrong guy? That looks to her girlfriends for support in a time of need? That feels overwhelmed by her urges to explore her sexuality? That feels repressed by her own sexuality? That picks that wrong guy because it feels better even though everyone can see what the obvious "good" choice might be? Seriously, people took these four women so literally and wanted to compare themselves to any one of the four personas and struggled with it and really faught with the idea that one of these 4 stereotypes had to fit who they were in order to relate and if they didn't fit therefore must be discarded. Let's face it, who can relate wholely to what Samantha represents (ok you Lizzie and you are one exeptional woman ;-) Or Miranda, or even flaky superficial Carrie and prissy Pollyana Charlotte? But what the average person fails to see and this is where the BRILLIANCE of the show makes it's mark, is that each one of those 4 personas are the 4 archetypal facets of the average woman who is searching for her identity. If you combine all those four women and take away the bells and whistles and you combine what each one represents, liberal sexuality, repression and femininity, flightiness, and masculinity what do you have? WOMAN that's what. All those four components do make up any average woman even you OW, you may have one of the four traits more predominant than the rest but that is what we women are truly made of. These are the 4 internal struggles that a single woman in her 20s to 40's would be fighting with, living in a time (the mid 90's) where feminism was hitting it's all time peak, women were professionally finally fully independant and selfsufficient financially and sexuality was to be embraced along with the comaradery of sisterhood and the openess of being able to share those experiences with your "sisters" without being judged. Living in a big City where your family IS your group of friends, how can a young woman NOT relate to that show? Of course each character was taken to a cartoon-like existence it was what made the show so appealing and ultimately fun to watch. Who wants to see some overly sexed up 45 yr old woman bed a different guy every different night that looks like some old scag? Unless she takes on the appeal of a cartoon-like character? Rent a porn instead and cut to the chase. Who wants to see some average girl living in a suburb struggling with mundane tales of love, working as a receptionist for a photcopy machine manufacturing plant? People want to see glammed up women living the big life in the big apple having the same struggles the receptionist working for Xerox has, but in a Betsy Johnson skirt and carrying a Chanel bag! And the dialogue was brilliant some of the funniest writing I have seen on tv. Get over trying to figure out where YOU as a woman fit in within these 4 overly exaggerated characters and kick back and enjoy the ride. I'm proud to be a woman, but when I see drivel like S&TC I think there must be a third gender that those of us who don't conform to Hollywood stereotypes belong to. Maybe we just need to find another name for ourselves and stop pretending we're the same as them? No OW there is no third gender, there are single women in their 20's and 30's looking to define their identity and enjoying the ride or feeling the pain along the way and that show had it all. Anyway you don't want to see the movie PLEASE do not see it nor was this some kind of plug or plea to get people to watch it. I am not here to debate people into watching it. Going to a film should be about having fun not torture and quite frankly it is NO skin off my back if you hate, despise or love the show. I was just reaching out to those that saw the movie and sharing the observation that some things that happened in the movie reminded me of what our debates have been like here, that's all. And certainly was not trying to encourage anyone to give up their intellectual film viewing habits to watch this, I am a big lover of foreign film and independent films and tend to shy away from Hollywood blockbuster stuff however, every so ofter there is that one little gem that is to be taken for what it is and it serves as nothing more than eye and mental candy. Life isn't always about the intense and sometimes I don't want to be provoked to think too much, I just want to feel. I saw the show last night. The only thing I had an issue with, was that Carrie and Miranda didn't get to have any fun with new men while they were taking a "break" from Big and Steve. Well that's because the writers knew what they had in store for these women long term. when a person breaks up with someone they are still very much in love with but knows they can't be with them, the person is not interested in dating other people right away, they just need to be alone. Again, a pretty realistic depiction of how the heart works when it needs to heal.
Lizzie60 Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 I agree with TC... I have never watched one episode of that show.. for some reason I've never been attracted to it... One of my best friend saw the movie.. loooved it.. wanted to see it again.. then I read the reviews on here.. everybody seemed to have looved it.. so I thought I had to see it.. I agree with you when you say..that it does represent every facet of life, in a way... They made these 'facets' caricatural.. bigger than 'nature'.. it's Hollywood.. it's a movie... We each take some of that reality and compare it to our own life.. I know that Samantha is the 'character' that represents me the most.. but I can see myself in the other characters as well... It was OK for me.. I should have waited for the video though.
angie2443 Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 Well that's because the writers knew what they had in store for these women long term. when a person breaks up with someone they are still very much in love with but knows they can't be with them, the person is not interested in dating other people right away, they just need to be alone. Again, a pretty realistic depiction of how the heart works when it needs to heal. Well, part of the fun of the series, to me anyways, was all the men that the girls dated or did whatever with. I just missed that in the movie. You know, sometimes when people have just had their hearts broken, they do get with someone else pretty quickly. This is realistic also.
Author Tomcat33 Posted June 24, 2008 Author Posted June 24, 2008 I agree with TC... I have never watched one episode of that show.. for some reason I've never been attracted to it... One of my best friend saw the movie.. loooved it.. wanted to see it again.. then I read the reviews on here.. everybody seemed to have looved it.. so I thought I had to see it.. I agree with you when you say..that it does represent every facet of life, in a way... They made these 'facets' caricatural.. bigger than 'nature'.. it's Hollywood.. it's a movie... We each take some of that reality and compare it to our own life.. I know that Samantha is the 'character' that represents me the most.. but I can see myself in the other characters as well... It was OK for me.. I should have waited for the video though. Of course you would not JUST resonate with Samantha, I think most people wouldn't, she is a cartoon character no woman is quite like that or quite like any of the overdone personalities on there. But some of us have more of certain qualitites while others of us has less and vice versa. You should have seen it with the girls, not the kind of movie to drag a guy out to you must have some pull on your young buck if he went with you willingly. I saw a few couples in the theatre I went to and felt for the guys...I could never do that to my man. Though some guys are into it. My boyfriend at the time when the show was on had a love hate relationship with it, he loved to tell me he hated it but sat and ate up every single episode right by my side, willingly no questioned asked from my part, every week. Well, part of the fun of the series, to me anyways, was all the men that the girls dated or did whatever with. I just missed that in the movie. You know, sometimes when people have just had their hearts broken, they do get with someone else pretty quickly. This is realistic also. Ohhhhhhhh well in your previous post you said you had just watched the "show" last night so I thought you were refering to the old episodes where Carrie and Miranda broke up with their guys then, and hence my previous comment about how the writers had "plans for the future" you meant the movie...ok well yeah agree I would have liked to have seen more of that too for sure. I read some interviews the ladies did before shooting the film that some of them had concerns with being depicted as the young wild women on the show and they didn't think it would look cool to have aged and to play the roles of thirty-somethings when they had moved on. So I think they toned down the film script a lot to make it more age apropriate and to give a more "mass appeal" to the movie. so again wanting to jump back into dating like crazy after a hard break-up is prob more of a younger thing to do than a 40yr old woman thing to do who just lost the love of her life. JMO Which is why I think the movie had more of a "vanilla" feel to it, but again if we wanna see more risque action and dialogue, we can always rent the show.
Owl Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 Wow...who let Stamdaddy in here? How're you doing, friend? How about an update (or the lack of one)?
stampdaddy Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 pretty much the lack of one, Owl... I guess I should start a new thread and not get into TC's
Author Tomcat33 Posted June 24, 2008 Author Posted June 24, 2008 pretty much the lack of one, Owl... I guess I should start a new thread and not get into TC's Hey SDiddy I had some technical difficulties earlier now being fixed MSN 2nite. Now tell me you saw Sex and The City!! (kidding, of course you didn't)
Lizzie60 Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 Of course you would not JUST resonate with Samantha, I think most people wouldn't, she is a cartoon character no woman is quite like that or quite like any of the overdone personalities on there. But some of us have more of certain qualitites while others of us has less and vice versa. You should have seen it with the girls, not the kind of movie to drag a guy out to you must have some pull on your young buck if he went with you willingly. I saw a few couples in the theatre I went to and felt for the guys...I could never do that to my man. Though some guys are into it. My boyfriend at the time when the show was on had a love hate relationship with it, he loved to tell me he hated it but sat and ate up every single episode right by my side, willingly no questioned asked from my part, every week. Ohhhhhhhh well in your previous post you said you had just watched the "show" last night so I thought you were refering to the old episodes where Carrie and Miranda broke up with their guys then, and hence my previous comment about how the writers had "plans for the future" you meant the movie...ok well yeah agree I would have liked to have seen more of that too for sure. I read some interviews the ladies did before shooting the film that some of them had concerns with being depicted as the young wild women on the show and they didn't think it would look cool to have aged and to play the roles of thirty-somethings when they had moved on. So I think they toned down the film script a lot to make it more age apropriate and to give a more "mass appeal" to the movie. so again wanting to jump back into dating like crazy after a hard break-up is prob more of a younger thing to do than a 40yr old woman thing to do who just lost the love of her life. JMO Which is why I think the movie had more of a "vanilla" feel to it, but again if we wanna see more risque action and dialogue, we can always rent the show. Hahahaha.. oh well.. he knew about the show on TV.. but never watched it.. I warned him that I was going to go with either my daughter or my friend... he insisted he wanted to come with me... He is in the 'I-will-do-anything-for-you' phase... He looked at me many times, rolling his eyes in disbelief..
Lookingforward Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 OK... My reasons for wanting to see it were based on the quality of acting and cinematography I saw in the trailer. I prefer arthouse movies to Hollywood bubblegum, same as I prefer restaurants to fast food. That's the exact problem I have with it - it presents that superficial materialism as if that was what being a woman is. It plays to all kinds of negative stereotypes - stereotypes which don't resonate with my life or the lives of any real women I know even remotely. I'm proud to be a woman, but when I see drivel like S&TC I think there must be a third gender that those of us who don't conform to Hollywood stereotypes belong to. Maybe we just need to find another name for ourselves and stop pretending we're the same as them? But sometimes there's a place for mindless drivel - I doubt anyone really takes it as a serious commentary on "the way things are"
OWoman Posted June 25, 2008 Posted June 25, 2008 But sometimes there's a place for mindless drivel I get enough of that marking student exam papers! I'm desperately seeking signs of intelligent life!
pentacle Posted June 26, 2008 Posted June 26, 2008 I agree with OWoman. I feel like a 3rd gender, especially when these images of women are paraded before us. I like the intellectual creativity in seeing the 4 characters as archetypes, but honestly, they are not archetypes that I recognise in my life or in the lives of women around me across the human lifecycle. And I'm glad I finished marking student papers too. Maybe that's why we crave something more fufilling at the moment.
Lyssa Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 I watched a few episodes of SaTC. Not a fan and didn't understand what's the big deal with that series but I do love the clothes and shoes! I haven't seen the movie and it isn't something I'm in a rush to watch. I'm going to watch Wanted tomorrow though!
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