Confession: I made out with a married man last night....

[MaxManwell]

Teachers are, by their very nature, role models for the children and teenagers they teach. How they conduct themselves inside, and outside, of the classroom is highly relevant.

 

As are other professions role models for society in general but that doesn't stop them screwing around with each other good and proper.

 

Only difference is - teachers are in a position of servitude and therefore held to ridiculous standards.

 

All she did was make out with a guy in a bar.

[Storyrider]

Teachers are, by their very nature, role models for the children and teenagers they teach. How they conduct themselves inside, and outside, of the classroom is highly relevant.

I agree. Some people are able to learn this from past experience. School of hard knocks sometimes needs to ring the doorbell, I guess. Ding dong.

[MaxManwell]

That is just so screwed up!

 

Why ? Lots of women act pure and decent. When behind closed doors they've been drilled more times than an oil well. And had more than their fair share of different drill bits.

 

There are women around who will blow a guy because he bought her dinner. Why should a kiss be any sort of big deal ?

[Storyrider]

Why ? Lots of women act pure and decent. When behind closed doors they've been drilled more times than an oil well. And had more than their fair share of different drill bits.

 

??!!

 

Or had their porosity and permeability penetrated by too many different down-hole sensors.

 

Nice imagery.

[Leia]

Why ? Lots of women act pure and decent. When behind closed doors they've been drilled more times than an oil well. And had more than their fair share of different drill bits.

 

There are women around who will blow a guy because he bought her dinner. Why should a kiss be any sort of big deal ?

 

That's preposterous! I think you've met the wrong kind of women.

[Star Gazer]

As are other professions role models for society in general but that doesn't stop them screwing around with each other good and proper.

 

Only difference is - teachers are in a position of servitude and therefore held to ridiculous standards.

 

All she did was make out with a guy in a bar.

 

B.S. Teachers spend approximately 40 hours a week with our nation's children - more time than many busy parents get with their own children. Your local grocery clerk, or bank executive, or horse trainer ("other professions") do NOT have that level of interaction and leadership with our children.

 

Schools and teachers are charged with certain duties to protect children for a reason.

 

She didn't just "make out with a guy" at a bar. She made out with a man she knew to be married, who she works with, and works with the dude's wife...and all almost just to spite the W because the OP thinks she's b*tchy.

 

If I knew who the OP was, I'd contact the superintendent of the district.

[MaxManwell]

40 hours a week ? I don't think so its much less than that.

[Star Gazer]

40 hours a week ? I don't think so its much less than that.

 

Approximately from 8 to 3, assuming no extracurriculars. Fine, no less than 35 hours per week. The argument and reasoning remains the same.

[MaxManwell]

OK, thanks. I am admitting I made a mistake. I got too friendly with a coworker. I didn't get what you are saying.

 

No you're fine you can do whatever you want with your mouth and its none of anyone else's business.

[MaxManwell]

Approximately from 8 to 3, assuming no extracurriculars. Fine, no less than 35 hours per week. The argument and reasoning remains the same.

 

If the wife finds out and it starts creating a problem with the students and if the students find out and start talking about ms 'X' the slut then I think it is a problem. In the meantime it is just a personal mistake that she has made nothing I would consider important, and if I were a coworker and she told me, my response would be to tell her to shut up and never talk about it again. Until that time this is a personal issue and not a professional one.

 

Unless the school prohibits relations between staff members, does it ?

 

What concerns me most, is that this other teacher actively put down an Autistic child. Shouldn't that be the more important issue ? The way the teacher deals with the children. More than what type of sex she may or may not be having.

 

Young teachers have money and free time, yes, I would imagine they get up to rather a lot of sex and partying. So do accountants.... what is your point, they're just people.

[Star Gazer]

And maybe you should go back to school and learn that GOOD people don't make out with married men because their wives were "snotty." People have affairs for a lot of reasons, but petty bitchiness is crap.

 

What I have learned in my life, is that if a woman is "snotty" to me, I generally ignore her. I don't make it a point to try and pick up her husband and then feel justified about doing it. Where you learned that it is appropriate to get with her husband and then feel she deserves it for being "snotty", is schooling I want no part of.

 

Karma, karma, karma, girlie. Please do report back on what the Universe will bring you for this one. I am sure it will be grand and appropriate.

 

And IMO, your morality has EVERYTHING to do with how effective you are at your job. You are not doing data entry, or flipping burgers at McD's. You are responsible for shaping young minds - for helping to teach them right from wrong. And if this is how you feel GOOD people behave, then no one is going to teach you right from wrong at this stage of your life.

 

And let me refresh your memory. Here was your opening post:

 

I don't feel really guilty since his wife has been rude and snotty to me all year and I could see why he would want some relief from her (she is totally bitchy, lol.)

it was secret revenge against this teacher who has been a total ass to me.

 

I agree 1000000000000000%!

[MaxManwell]

Approximately from 8 to 3, assuming no extracurriculars. Fine, no less than 35 hours per week. The argument and reasoning remains the same.

 

If you include lunch and recess its actually closer to 30 hours and effectively less. The exposure to each child is also limited based on the classes it attends. The exposure you talk about is greatly exaggerated so the reasoning no longer applies.

 

A child may very well spend more time being influenced by a TV program than by a particular teacher, who, for the most part is distracting a child from their own character by the content being taught

[MaxManwell]

That's preposterous! I think you've met the wrong kind of women.

 

Apparently so as no one has ever given me a blow job after dinner.

[Storyrider]

Apparently so as no one has ever given me a blow job after dinner.

I think you're on the right track, Max. You and Gawdess could very well be meant for one another.

[Leia]

I think you're on the right track, Max. You and Gawdess could very well be meant for one another.

 

I am thinking the same thing!

[Lookingforward]

one word - troll

[MaxManwell]

I am thinking the same thing!

 

I think she is 7 or 8 years too old for me.

[dreamergrl]

OP it doesn't matter if he started it, it's not as if he forced his tongue down your throat. You played tonsil hockey too, TWICE.

 

He is a married man, whom you felt okay to do this with because his wife is a snot to you.

 

Maybe no one saw you, but so many things could have happened - which is why you should be conducting yourself in a more appropriate manner.

 

1. Who's to say another co-worker didn't notice you BOTH where gone twice and came outside and saw, just didn't say anything yet?

 

2. Who's to say another co-worker couldn't have just walked outside for some fresh air as well?

 

3. Maybe Johnny Smith's parents like coming to that bar once in a while and saw you mouth to mouth with their child's teacher's husband

[OpenBook]

3. Maybe Johnny Smith's parents like coming to that bar once in a while and saw you mouth to mouth with their child's teacher's husband

 

Johnny Smith's PARENTS?!? Out to a BAR?!? Where's little Johnny?? Isn't that neglect? Somebody should report them. Parents can't be human either. They're automatically held to a higher standard because of their interaction with children. Their OWN children. Cripes. Where are our morals these days??!?

[Tomcat33]

While I don't agree with the OP kissing a colleague out of revenge for his W no matter how much of a witch she is, and she does sound like a witch indeed with her autistic student comment etc. but I find the arguments in this thread that this woman is a bad teacher due to her actions with the MM, completely flawed. Again here is a public lynching going on and people mix the actions of a person and try to negate who she may be as a human being or professional because of ONE action they commit that does not agree with the herd moralistic mentality, and she is a terrible human being in all respects of her life!?!? That's LUDICROUS!!! I agree what she did was immoral, I do not agree this affects her abilities as a teacher, not at ALL.

 

If the thread was about a teacher getting piiiissed drunk on the weekend people would have the same song and dance because a teacher should not drink and should set a good example all the time. Basically you want a teacher to be superhuman. Good luck with that. If you spend enough time advocating what is right and wrong to your children it won't matter what some teacher does on her down time. People that feel threatened by this are probably neglecting their children and so that is why they put all the onis on a teacher.

 

First of all it is not a teacher's job to teach morality and right from wrong it is PARENTS job to do that, a teacher must reinforce what is already being taught at home yes but it is NOT their sole responsibility. The foundation must be layed by parents NOT teachers. A teacher's job is to teach a subject and to guide students in social matters if need be. And like someone else said the amount of time she spends on each class with each student is not enough of her personal philosophies and ideologies and life structures to have enough effect on a child's life.

 

What she does in her down time and on her own time is completely IRRELEVANT to her ability to teach unless she is a crack addict that I can see would be a problem. Rest assured that the teachers that are most disliked are the least kids learn from, I speak from personal experiences, I had my share of cob-webbed witches that made students HATE certain subjects, and other more "likable" teachers that made a class worthy of learning. I disagree that the non-likable teachers are better NO WAY. People learn from likable people, as they buy from likable people, people want to hear what likable people want to say and tend to reject those they dislike it is human nature and it is NO different with children, they are even more sensitive to this than we are as adults. It is one think to be disciplined and another to be a witch, no one likes a witch period.

[SpikeyChick]

This is going to be harsh, but perhaps the kids at school get along with you better because they relate to your maturity level more.

 

You said it just before I wrote it.

[dreamergrl]

While I don't agree with the OP kissing a colleague out of revenge for his W no matter how much of a witch she is, and she does sound like a witch indeed with her autistic student comment etc. but I find the arguments in this thread that this woman is a bad teacher due to her actions with the MM, completely flawed. Again here is a public lynching going on and people mix the actions of a person and try to negate who she may be as a human being or professional because of ONE action they commit that does not agree with the herd moralistic mentality, and she is a terrible human being in all respects of her life!?!? That's LUDICROUS!!! I agree what she did was immoral, I do not agree this affects her abilities as a teacher, not at ALL.

 

If the thread was about a teacher getting piiiissed drunk on the weekend people would have the same song and dance because a teacher should not drink and should set a good example all the time. Basically you want a teacher to be superhuman. Good luck with that. If you spend enough time advocating what is right and wrong to your children it won't matter what some teacher does on her down time. People that feel threatened by this are probably neglecting their children and so that is why they put all the onis on a teacher.

 

First of all it is not a teacher's job to teach morality and right from wrong it is PARENTS job to do that, a teacher must reinforce what is already being taught at home yes but it is NOT their sole responsibility. The foundation must be layed by parents NOT teachers. A teacher's job is to teach a subject and to guide students in social matters if need be. And like someone else said the amount of time she spends on each class with each student is not enough of her personal philosophies and ideologies and life structures to have enough effect on a child's life.

 

What she does in her down time and on her own time is completely IRRELEVANT to her ability to teach unless she is a crack addict that I can see would be a problem. Rest assured that the teachers that are most disliked are the least kids learn from, I speak from personal experiences, I had my share of cob-webbed witches that made students HATE certain subjects, and other more "likable" teachers that made a class worthy of learning. I disagree that the non-likable teachers are better NO WAY. People learn from likable people, as they buy from likable people, people want to hear what likable people want to say and tend to reject those they dislike it is human nature and it is NO different with children, they are even more sensitive to this than we are as adults. It is one think to be disciplined and another to be a witch, no one likes a witch period.

 

BUT what she was "doing" in her own time could affect what goes on at school. It's not because she made out with a married man, it's because she made out with a married man that works with, as does his wife, not to mention where other co-workers could have easily found out. Should anyone find out (and I'd be surprised if this actually did stay quiet) it's going to cause problems that will be brought into the school because the problem involves those who work at the school, right across the hall.

[Touche]

Why am I being reminded of this?

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t133380/?highlight=teacher%27s+lounge

[Tomcat33]

BUT what she was "doing" in her own time could affect what goes on at school. It's not because she made out with a married man, it's because she made out with a married man that works with, as does his wife, not to mention where other co-workers could have easily found out. Should anyone find out (and I'd be surprised if this actually did stay quiet) it's going to cause problems that will be brought into the school because the problem involves those who work at the school, right across the hall.

 

 

I agree with this and that bridge would be crossed, IF/WHEN that time comes. She said she won't be doing this again, we'll see if she sticks to her word...for her own sake that is, because what Drmgrl has pointed out are very real consecuences the OP may have to pay if this gets out.

Still I think that until all "potential" heck breaks lose then this action alone does not affect her teaching whatsoever. I think it's just people trying to scold her using the "you are a horrible human being all around" card because people disagree with what she did.

 

I disagree with what she did, I don't however think she is a horrible human being NOR do I necessarily think she is a bad teacher nor feel the need to put her down professionally or otherwise because of what she did, that's just me.

[dreamergrl]

I agree with this and that bridge would be crossed, IF/WHEN that time comes. She said she won't be doing this again, we'll see if she sticks to her word...for her own sake that is, because what Drmgrl has pointed out are very real consecuences the OP may have to pay if this gets out.

Still I think that until all "potential" heck breaks lose then this action alone does not affect her teaching whatsoever. I think it's just people trying to scold her using the "you are a horrible human being all around" card because people disagree with what she did.

 

I disagree with what she did, I don't however think she is a horrible human being NOR do I necessarily think she is a bad teacher nor feel the need to put her down professionally or otherwise because of what she did, that's just me.

 

But she should be mature enough to have thought about those consequences before even lip locking twice with this guy. I mean, comon, she didn't even do it behind clothed doors. Right outside, where co-workers could have easily found them. She found no error in her judgment because his wife's a witch. She simply wanted to get back at her. Teachers should have a maturity level high enough to be an appropriate role model for the children they teach. It comes with the territory - and if one can't handle that, it's not the right profession for them.