marlena Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 The larger powers that be do not want it. Absolutely. As soon as one war finishes, another begins. Historically, the US has always raged wars regardless of whose fat arse sits in the White House. In fact, it is the president's job to play into the hands of the larger powers that rule the globe. I agree that Hillary's political ambitions were largely fueled by a sense of rage brought about by the humiliation of Bill's serial cheating. That she stuck by this slick piece of work and then made political profit out of it is what I found very off-putting. Again absolutely. This is what I found to be so emetic about Hillary. It speaks volumes about the quality of her character. This is not someone I would want in the White House (not that I would want anybody else either). Yeah, I cast my vote for the "I can't stand all of them" party as well OE.
michelangelo Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 I agree to a point. I just don't think he is going to get us out of Iraq at all. The larger powers that be do not want it. I am afraid he is going to be compelled to be all things to everyone, which will then be spun under his glossy rhetoric. Sorry, I am skeptical As for Michelle O's comments, in general, I believe it is better that "the wife" keep a low profile for the course of the campaign. But a comment here and there is to be expected. If her reference was to Hilary staying around with the atrocious Bill, I agree that Hillary's political ambitions were largely fueled by a sense of rage brought about by the humiliation of Bill's serial cheating. That she stuck by this slick piece of work and then made political profit out of it is what I found very off-putting. OE There is a place for cynicism about America based on the abysmal track its been on for a long time. However, to me, Obama represents a return to the idealism and excitement about the world Americans used to have. It's a complicated world we live in, but is it any more so than when JFK, MLK tried for change? Not really. No, Obama does not walk on water. But what he does not do is hang onto the coat tails of the two dynasties of American politics that have failed us all. We have a shot here at real change. Will he get us fully out of Iraq in a clean stroke? I doubt it. But I do think he is the best hope for that to occur.
marlena Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 There is a place for cynicism about America based on the abysmal track its been on for a long time. However, to me, Obama represents a return to the idealism and excitement about the world Americans used to have. It's a complicated world we live in, but is it any more so than when JFK, MLK tried for change? Not really. No, Obama does not walk on water. But what he does not do is hang onto the coat tails of the two dynasties of American politics that have failed us all. We have a shot here at real change. Will he get us fully out of Iraq in a clean stroke? I doubt it. But I do think he is the best hope for that to occur. Change is not such a bad word to use as a political slogan nor is it a bad thing to occur considering the status quo of world affairs today. Obama represents the new and seeing as the old did not work, why not give the guy a chance? If there is even a glint of hope in the darkness, it is Obama. If...... As for the Cinton/Bush dynasties, time to change channel. Even soap operas get boring. Same old, same old.
mary.murphy Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 oh guys, lets lighten up. That was a funny comment by MO. But seriously, who would really want HRC and BC marriage situation?
Author Gwyneth Posted June 8, 2008 Author Posted June 8, 2008 I sure wouldn't want a petty tramp like MO who makes comments like that about someone who was betrayed as a first lady. I bet you anything old BO has slid his sausage in another woman other than his wife. ... Probably. This is her way of being in denial
Author Gwyneth Posted June 8, 2008 Author Posted June 8, 2008 oh guys, lets lighten up. That was a funny comment by MO. But seriously, who would really want HRC and BC marriage situation? FUNNY???? It's Funny to insult Hillary and use her cheating husband as a way to say she doesn't qualify as a President? How do we know what went on behind closed doors in their home during the Monica days? We don't know what Hillary did or said and how she handled the situation with her daughter. So we can't sit here and say she was "weak" about it. Also, to whoever asked if MO was really saying this about Hillary, yes, the answer is yes, because if I remember correctly, she said "How can She be president if...," if this is what the poster was talking about on page 1 or 2 of this thread.
sb129 Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Was the youtube video edited? Because I didn't hear her specifically target HRC, or BS's for that matter. Can we see more of the speech?
oasis Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Hillary gets the misandrist vote hands down. If you look on here and other forums her hardcore supporters tend to be manhaters. Also a woman on here says that Obama needs to keep his bitch in line but Obama supporters are the sexists? Michelle is an independent person and has the right to speak her mind and express her own views. Excuse f.....ing me. Man haters? Have you lost your f....ing mind? I am a staunch Hillary supporter and love men waaaaaay to much, for me to even think of hating them. Yea, Obama has a racist, Black Panther, radical wife. Whom many voters have indicated to me, that they will not vote for her husband, because of her radical views.
nittygritty Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Excuse f.....ing me. Man haters? Have you lost your f....ing mind? I am a staunch Hillary supporter and love men waaaaaay to much, for me to even think of hating them. Yea, Obama has a racist, Black Panther, radical wife. Whom many voters have indicated to me, that they will not vote for her husband, because of her radical views. Obviously, Hillary's campaign underestimated the intelligence of the majority of voters.
oasis Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Obviously, Hillary's campaign underestimated the intelligence of the majority of voters. No. Not the voters. She underestimated what is known as the "Superdelegates" or the rightful name of the members from the "Let's Make a Deal Club".
Author Gwyneth Posted June 8, 2008 Author Posted June 8, 2008 Was the youtube video edited? Because I didn't hear her specifically target HRC, or BS's for that matter. Can we see more of the speech? You people have Got to be kidding me!!! Who do you think Michelle Obama is talking about? Shania Twain??? Let me go dig up the other post in another thread on this same topic.
underpants Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 So what is it that you want? To slander a nominee by a comment made by his wife taken out of context? Do you want dirt dredged up on Mrs. McCain? It is there, to be sure. I understand the disappointment. A big part of me hoped she would be nominated. However, the party she is affiliated with (and supports) is still in effect. Maybe the figure head is not what you had hoped for but it is still much more possible then casting a vengence vote. That would be pretty sad and solve nothing if it is the motive. Come on...think.
Author Gwyneth Posted June 8, 2008 Author Posted June 8, 2008 Oh Sugar and Rice! I Just posted it in the wrong place. Here ya go: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/4/135338/3992
Author Gwyneth Posted June 9, 2008 Author Posted June 9, 2008 Gwen, what truly is the point of this thread? If we are all to be held accountable for what what our relatives say, I think we would all be in trouble. I remember Hilliary making the comment about being a stay at home mom, baking cookies and standing by her man no matter what. Now that statement was made in reference to a conversation about her career. It was taken out of context, and her husband Bill was hounded about that statement, by people like me who stayed at home and didn't have a job outside of the house. My point is, everyone has an opinion about situations, right or wrong. Should the spouse be held responsible for them? So instead of not being true to yourself or the party you have affiliated yourself with, why not just cast your vote for McCain. Why hurt the party by wasting a vote that will serve no purpose. True your vote and your opinion are yours to have. So are Michelle Obama's. I didn't deserve to be cheated on. It had nothing to do with me controlling my household, but that is insignificant to what the true issues are for my children's benefit, my benefit, my parent's benefit, my communities benefit. My point is Michelle Obama Crossed the line when she made that remark. And you said it yourself--you didn't deserve to be cheated on, and it had Nothing to do with how you ran your household. So why anyone would say or think that about anyone is really incredibly amazing to me. And I'm allowed to cast my opinions around here whether anyone likes that or not. If you don't like it, get out of the room and don't leave your remarks. It's not that difficult. I do it all the time.
Author Gwyneth Posted June 9, 2008 Author Posted June 9, 2008 You certainly are entitled to your opinions, Her remarks aren't the real issues of the election. She said something stupid, before this election is over, you will have more luck finding someone who didn't say something stupid. Her remarks are a reflection of Obama's campaign and his poor judgement in choosing who will speak for his campaign. That poor reflection will not get him the votes he needs in the Fall. People listen to what his campaigners say, and what his supporters say, and when the subject of the campaign isn't apologizing for cruel remarks such as Michelle's, people will remember. So yes, it's a huge deal when his wife, who is speaking on his behalf, says such a demeaning thing--whether it's about Hillary or not, it's demaning. My question was, do any BSs on here find this comment insulting, and do you feel it has some validity? Because I do not feel Hillary's betrayl has Anything to do with her running a country. That's all this was about.
SoulSearch_CO Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 I did find her comment insulting. I think it's a little high-and-mighty to get into the whole mudslinging thing against somebody in a situation that you have not been in yourself. Judgmental to say the least. No, I do not feel the comment has some validity. I think it was a stupid point and it is not why I feel Hilary would be dang scary as president. It's like saying because somebody wears thong underwear instead of granny panties that they wouldn't make a good mechanic. Stupid and no relation whatsoever. Hilary scares me because of her Atlas Shrugged view of how things should go down in this nation. *shiver* But all of this is beside the point - she has ceded anyway. She wants to be Obama's veep. That scares me. I would have voted for Obama, but if she is going to be his VP, then no way in hell.
Woggle Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 I was a betrayed spouse and I am not bothered by Michelle Obama's comments. In no way do I condone cheating but what man could blame Bill for cheating on Hillary? He is a charming and good looking man who could have had his pick of women and he married that?
Nevermind Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Woggle, are you being serious?? So, what if a friend of your ex-wife said that: In no way do I condone cheating, but look at you and you married THAT? Awesome post. Really.
Woggle Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Woggle, are you being serious?? So, what if a friend of your ex-wife said that: In no way do I condone cheating, but look at you and you married THAT? Awesome post. Really. Look at the way Hillary has acted during this election and imagine living with her.
oasis Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 I was a betrayed spouse and I am not bothered by Michelle Obama's comments. In no way do I condone cheating but what man could blame Bill for cheating on Hillary? He is a charming and good looking man who could have had his pick of women and he married that?[/quote] If you tried in a million years, you could NEVER, EVER walk in Senator Clinton's shoes. Now I can see clearly, why you were betrayed.
angie2443 Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 I was a betrayed spouse and I am not bothered by Michelle Obama's comments. In no way do I condone cheating but what man could blame Bill for cheating on Hillary? He is a charming and good looking man who could have had his pick of women and he married that?[/quote] If you tried in a million years, you could NEVER, EVER walk in Senator Clinton's shoes. Now I can see clearly, why you were betrayed. Exactly! Woggle, I'm not trying to put you down here but trying to help you see that your attitude might be what's causing you so much trouble with your relationship. You come accross in many of your posts as hatefull and negative. I would think that this would drive many people, men and women, away from you. By the way, I never thought Bill Clinton was attractive. I guess he has charisma and power, but physically, I don't think he has the most appealling features. Truefully, many of the women he's cheated with aren't very attractive either.
Woggle Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 My ex did a year in prison for shooting at me so I think that shows who is the more rational one and that is not her. It's not just a gender thing either. If Laura cheated on George I would not almost be able to understand. I know I have no proof but I would not be surprised if he were abusive because he has that vibe to him.
nittygritty Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Getting a serial cheating spouse out of your household is how to run your household right. Hillary never did so I agree with Michelle Obama.
Woggle Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 I do think it was a cheap shot on the part of Michelle Obama but it is not reason enough for me to vote for Mcain.
angie2443 Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 My ex did a year in prison for shooting at me so I think that shows who is the more rational one and that is not her. It's not just a gender thing either. If Laura cheated on George I would not almost be able to understand. I know I have no proof but I would not be surprised if he were abusive because he has that vibe to him. I don't really know either of you or all of your circumstances, so I can't really comment on who was more rational. What I've seen, though, is that you often post about how horrible women are in general. When you generalize a large group of people based on your negative experiences with a couple of people, it comes across as bieng predjudice and hateful. Look, probably most of us here on LS have had bad experiences with the opposite sex (or same sex, for those in same sex relationships), but we shouldn't take out our hate, anger, or whatever on everone else for that.
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