IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 When I was first hired..I had a specific job description...two people have left since then and I am no longer doing what I was originally hired to do. My responsibility and work load have increased substantially...having that as my defense I think will help me. Granted..we just received raises a few months ago..but I was still doing my old responsibilities. How do I approach my boss (who is cold and mean) for..not a raise...a salary increase..I think that's only fair since I am doing a completely different job.
hotgurl Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 how long ago did you recieve your raise? How long has it been since you have taken on additional duties? Is this a temp thing or a permanent thing?
Trialbyfire Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 Present it as a business case, where you illustrate the increased responsibilities, and your abilities to handle them, even creating greater efficiencies, which equate to dollars and cents, for your boss. Also, look at it another way. If your existing company doesn't appreciate your efforts, there's always another company who will. No employer can be upset, if you ask for something, they won't meet it, so you go elsewhere. If you keep it civil and professional, they will understand.
Author IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted March 25, 2008 Author Posted March 25, 2008 how long ago did you recieve your raise? How long has it been since you have taken on additional duties? Is this a temp thing or a permanent thing? We received them at the beginning of Feb, this is a permanent thing and I've been doing all this added work for 3 weeks now And I was also going to give her my 2 weeks at the end of the meeting if she didn't give it to me... I can't do all tis extra work for no more money.. Raises account for the past year of work correct?
redsoxfan84 Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 I'd be careful about leaving before you have something else lined up. If you are in the U.S., it's really not that easy to find a job right now - I speak from experience...
Art_Critic Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 I can't do all tis extra work for no more money.. Why not ? You just got a raise 30 days ago and you have only been doing an increased load for a few weeks so I doubt your boss is going to give you a raise.. Remember this : To an employer a raise is all about what that employee will do for them in the future and not what the employee did in the past.. The past is done and paid for.. Sooo.. your raise in Feb is for your future work.. the work you are doing now.. I would say that you need to give it a few months and then pull your boss into a meeting about your responsibilities.. if you do it now they will most likely just tell you no...
Author IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted March 25, 2008 Author Posted March 25, 2008 Why not ? You just got a raise 30 days ago and you have only been doing an increased load for a few weeks so I doubt your boss is going to give you a raise.. Remember this : To an employer a raise is all about what that employee will do for them in the future and not what the employee did in the past.. The past is done and paid for.. Sooo.. your raise in Feb is for your future work.. the work you are doing now.. I would say that you need to give it a few months and then pull your boss into a meeting about your responsibilities.. if you do it now they will most likely just tell you no... But in a few months, the work will be done and she won't need to pay me more. I feel like my raise was for the added work from last year (another person had left and i took some of her responsibility) Now that ANOTHER has left, that's even more work on my plate. My raise was not accounted for a person leaving and 30%+ work and responsibility. And I'm going to wait to give the notice. your right, it's probably very hard to get a job right now.
Star Gazer Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 Why not ? You just got a raise 30 days ago and you have only been doing an increased load for a few weeks so I doubt your boss is going to give you a raise.. Remember this : To an employer a raise is all about what that employee will do for them in the future and not what the employee did in the past.. The past is done and paid for.. Sooo.. your raise in Feb is for your future work.. the work you are doing now.. I would say that you need to give it a few months and then pull your boss into a meeting about your responsibilities.. if you do it now they will most likely just tell you no... I agree with this. Your raise is based on your value to the company going into the future, not the past. The raise reflects your value NOW, not last year. You've only been doing the increased work for 3 weeks and you just got a raise around the same time as your increased duties began. If you use that as your basis, you'll come across as a greedy cry baby. You need to prove to your boss and the company that your indispensable. Also, who's to say they're not looking to replace the people who recently left that you're now (temporarily?) covering for? When people come and go, everyone has to pitch in and help. If it's for an EXTENDED period of time, then you'll have leverage, but right now, you certainly don't.
allina Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 Have you been moved in to a completely different position? Is this a higher paying position? Picking up some extra work for a couple weeks because the company just lost a few people may not be enough basis for a raise, especially since you just got one last month. Often as you become more more comfortable in your position employers expect you to learn more and take on new challenges, most positions aren't stagnant. If this is a career type job and you have financial obligations I wouldn't rush in to quitting over this, unless you have another offer elsewhere.
Author IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted March 25, 2008 Author Posted March 25, 2008 I agree with this. Your raise is based on your value to the company going into the future, not the past. The raise reflects your value NOW, not last year. You've only been doing the increased work for 3 weeks and you just got a raise around the same time as your increased duties began. If you use that as your basis, you'll come across as a greedy cry baby. You need to prove to your boss and the company that your indispensable. Also, who's to say they're not looking to replace the people who recently left that you're now (temporarily?) covering for? When people come and go, everyone has to pitch in and help. If it's for an EXTENDED period of time, then you'll have leverage, but right now, you certainly don't. I'm asking for a raise for my work NOW. When I got my raise we were fully staffed, then the manager left, moving myself and another up higher. With that move up, my work load has increased. They hired new people to do what I was doing because I moved up..so why should I be getting the same salary for that much more work?
Author IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted March 25, 2008 Author Posted March 25, 2008 Have you been moved in to a completely different position? Is this a higher paying position? Picking up some extra work for a couple weeks because the company just lost a few people may not be enough basis for a raise, especially since you just got one last month. Often as you become more more comfortable in your position employers expect you to learn more and take on new challenges, most positions aren't stagnant. If this is a career type job and you have financial obligations I wouldn't rush in to quitting over this, unless you have another offer elsewhere. I have been moved to a completely different position. And it is a higher paying position..that's why I think my boss is trying to get one over on me. This extra work is not temporary. I will have this work load and position from now on.
allina Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 I have been moved to a completely different position. And it is a higher paying position..that's why I think my boss is trying to get one over on me. This extra work is not temporary. I will have this work load and position from now on. In this case I would talk to your boss and ask her if this change is permanent, if you have been moved to a new position and if so what official changes come with the move. Don't ask for a raise just yet but let it be known that you're aware of an oficial move if there is one.
Star Gazer Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 I'm asking for a raise for my work NOW. When I got my raise we were fully staffed, then the manager left, moving myself and another up higher. With that move up, my work load has increased. They hired new people to do what I was doing because I moved up..so why should I be getting the same salary for that much more work? Has your job title changed? Have you been given a new list of responsibilities? How exactly has your job changed?
Lizzie60 Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 Tell your boss that you absolutely need to have a raise cause three other companies are after you. If your boss asks you what are those other companies.. then say ... 'The electric company, the telephone company, and the gas company'.
Author IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted March 26, 2008 Author Posted March 26, 2008 Has your job title changed? Have you been given a new list of responsibilities? How exactly has your job changed? I went from the department bitch...file this, answer that, go get this and a few orders here and there...now I'm only doing orders. High qty, big money orders. I never had to deal with that responsibility. And B/C I'm only doing orders and none of the bitch stuff, I went from doing 10 orders a day to 50. And this is permanent. I have seniority so no one will ever go above me when new people are hired.
whichwayisup Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Are you the only one who has had their workload increase? I have seniority so no one will ever go above me when new people are hired. Also, is your company Unionized? If not, then your seniority may not be carved in stone. You just had a raise less than 2 months ago, I doubt very much they'll offer another one. Depends too on their budget and if they can afford giving you a raise.
Author IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted March 27, 2008 Author Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) Are you the only one who has had their workload increase? Also, is your company Unionized? If not, then your seniority may not be carved in stone. You just had a raise less than 2 months ago, I doubt very much they'll offer another one. Depends too on their budget and if they can afford giving you a raise. I am the only one who got increased work. But I'm not asking for a raise..I'm asking for an increase in salary. My entire job description and duties are completely different. More than what I was doing. Why would I not ask for an increase...she's thinking about giving me the same salary as the office bitch, but with 50% more work..that's just not fair. And its kinda set in stone. When new people start..thye start as the office bitch...as long as I'm here to stay...i will never be demoted to that position again. So this increased work is forever . Edited March 27, 2008 by IhavenoFREAKINclue
SeraBella Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 What is the difference between a raise and a salary increase?
Author IhavenoFREAKINclue Posted March 27, 2008 Author Posted March 27, 2008 What is the difference between a raise and a salary increase? Instead of giving me another 3% raise..I want my salary to increase by 5K/year. A completely new salary for a completely new position, workload and responsibility
Art_Critic Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Instead of giving me another 3% raise..I want my salary to increase by 5K/year. I think it is really going to come down to the company.. if they have the money in their budget and are willing to spend 5k a year more for that position. Whether or not they consider it a new position is up to them and how you sell it.. You are going to have to sell it.. show them by making them see the bottom line in money and you will get your increase.. You have to remember that the 5k you are asking for has to actually come from somewhere.. Profit and the bottom line.. You have to show them that you and your XTRA hard work increase that more than 5k.. Also.. try and calm your demands down some.. a demand will go over like a ton of bricks and will only result in them finding someone else and you don't want that.. All employees feel they are underpaid and overworked.. welcome to the American workforce.. You need to make them believe that a 5k increase is good for the company and isn't just about reducing their profit and increasing yours.. Good Luck
allina Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 Do you know how much the last person in this position made before you replaced them? It's difficult to get an idea of what field/positions you're talking about because you're just saying that you were the office b*tch and now you have more responsibility. It would help how much the new position pays regularly in comparison to your old one.
Walk Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 I think you should ask for the new salary. However, make a list of how you have increased productivity, how you have streamlined operations, lowered costs, increased profit, etc. Decisions made by a company are based on profits and costs. Appeal to their pocket book, not their morals. Go in there with proof that you are worth a $5 grand raise. You're selling your work to your employer, and now you want them to pay more for you. You have to show them that you are worth that kind of money. Just telling them you are isn't enough. You have to have examples and facts to back up your statements. Otherwise, don't bother asking. It shouldn't be hard to come up with concrete reasons why you deserve the pay (beyond increased work load). Write out a list of things you've accomplished that have helped the company. Set up a mock discussion with a friend where you present your arguments for a raise and your friend plays devils advocate. Streamline your argument for a salary increase so that its short, to the point, and convincing. Then go speak to your boss about the increase in salary.
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