DanielMadr Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Prison rape is as much about power and domination as it is sexual attraction. Actually any rape is about power and ego. With some exceptions of sadistic maniacs and drunk-her-to-unconsciousness- rape
DanielMadr Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Yes, God can do that. He can do anything. Thats why he is God in the first place. Would he bother? is better question
DanielMadr Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 One last remark: Heterosexuals dont do "show" on youtube. He should claim his money or whatever back.
JamesM Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 I think statistically speaking, the answer is yes. Having not personally experienced it, I can say that after reading many stories my opinion is to the affirmative. Does this mean all gays CAN leave or may WANT to leave? No. Should they all be changed by God? This is a personal decision. While it is nice to say that homosexuality is a genetic trait, this has not been proven. Some studies that have shown this to be a possibility have not been replicated yet. (Interestingly enough, most of those studies were conducted by homosexuals. Just saying.) Here is a website that addresses the issues. http://www.exodus-international.org/ While I am not sure why it is so controversial to say that one can leave homosexuality, I can see why it may offend someone who wants to be accepted as he or she is. Personally, I have always wondered what common threads exist in homosexuals that may indicate how this "trait" starts. Is it genetic? If so, then how is it that so many have changed? Is it a reaction to some childhood event? Many share a distant father or mother. Many have had a childhood sexual experience with an adult (sexual abuse, incest). Was this a reaction to it? Or was this homosexual "trait" there before any of these events occurred? Or could it be that because the homosexual is "different" these events (sex abuse, distant parent) occurred? The thing is...in our society it seems it is not politically correct to ask these questions. As someone who loves to learn, I find this disappointing, and it leads to the "sheep mentality" where all people follow the current societal opinion. JMO
DanielMadr Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 I think statistically speaking, the answer is yes. Having not personally experienced it, I can say that after reading many stories my opinion is to the affirmative. Does this mean all gays CAN leave or may WANT to leave? No. Should they all be changed by God? This is a personal decision. While it is nice to say that homosexuality is a genetic trait, this has not been proven. Some studies that have shown this to be a possibility have not been replicated yet. (Interestingly enough, most of those studies were conducted by homosexuals. Just saying.) Here is a website that addresses the issues. http://www.exodus-international.org/ While I am not sure why it is so controversial to say that one can leave homosexuality, I can see why it may offend someone who wants to be accepted as he or she is. Personally, I have always wondered what common threads exist in homosexuals that may indicate how this "trait" starts. Is it genetic? If so, then how is it that so many have changed? Is it a reaction to some childhood event? Many share a distant father or mother. Many have had a childhood sexual experience with an adult (sexual abuse, incest). Was this a reaction to it? Or was this homosexual "trait" there before any of these events occurred? Or could it be that because the homosexual is "different" these events (sex abuse, distant parent) occurred? The thing is...in our society it seems it is not politically correct to ask these questions. As someone who loves to learn, I find this disappointing, and it leads to the "sheep mentality" where all people follow the current societal opinion. JMO Homosexuality was stroke out from the list of illnesses. It has a drawback- all grants are non-existant. So if some hormone vaccination or whatever could prevent your unborn child to become one (and they dont have easy life) , well we will probably never know. And lot of other things.
JamesM Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Homosexuality was stroke out from the list of illnesses. Yes, it was. In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html What was the weight of empirical studies? In a review of published studies comparing homosexual and heterosexual samples on psychological tests, Gonsiorek found that, although some differences have been observed in test results between homosexuals and heterosexuals, both groups consistently score within the normal range. I don't think this would normally be considered empirical evidence except that there were huge political pressures to change. And they say that science cannot be influenced by public opinion? Ah, an election decided how we should view homosexuality.
Woggle Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 What I said was partially tongue in cheek but seriously why do people even care? If two people of the same gender want to get together how does it affect anybody's life in the least? Why do worry about stuff like this?
DanielMadr Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Yes, it was. In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html What was the weight of empirical studies? I don't think this would normally be considered empirical evidence except that there were huge political pressures to change. And they say that science cannot be influenced by public opinion? Ah, an election decided how we should view homosexuality. Of course they are normal in psychiatric terms. Oh these tests. They forgot to mention the nuances in their psyche which make them gay and their life a bit complicated. On other hand, nature has its ways and I dont like for man to re-route it too often. So it is maybe OK, it wont be "treated" by medicaments. And less competition is always a bonus I dont mind gays even that they dont have a very good taste (they find men beautiful after all, phew ) . I dont like their movement which is quite annoying with parades and "We are so normal TV Shows". And I dont like that I cant watch TV because its just gay. They want to change society to accept them as "normal". 1. You dont change society. Unless you are freedom fighter. You cope with it yourself. 2. It is not normal. Get over it.
DanielMadr Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 What I said was partially tongue in cheek but seriously why do people even care? If two people of the same gender want to get together how does it affect anybody's life in the least? Why do worry about stuff like this? Because it is natures dead end - No grandchildren for you pa. Homosexuals in the army can be the real pain in the as*, literally. They have marriage and they will want to adopt children. Is it healthy for a child? Is it better than no family? These are questions which gay lobby tries to surpress. There is real chance that once called gay-basher you are finished as politician, medic or Joe.
Jilly Bean Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Well, why would "God" want to change something that he created?
JamesM Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Well, why would "God" want to change something that he created? That of course begs the question...did God create homosexuals? That also goes back to the question: is homosexuality genetic?
Jilly Bean Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 That of course begs the question...did God create homosexuals? That also goes back to the question: is homosexuality genetic? Well, I know I didn't *choose* to be straight, and I never met a gay person who said they *chose* the lifestyle, so yeah, I'd have say IMO that sexual orientation is genetic...
Pyro Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Well, I know I didn't *choose* to be straight, and I never met a gay person who said they *chose* the lifestyle, so yeah, I'd have say IMO that sexual orientation is genetic... but what about bi-sexuality? Isn't that more of a choice?
Jilly Bean Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 but what about bi-sexuality? Isn't that more of a choice? No, being bi is being greedy - JK! Well, Im not bi, so I cant really say, but I dont think anyone chooses their orientation. WDYT, P?
Pyro Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 No, being bi is being greedy - JK! Well, Im not bi, so I cant really say, but I dont think anyone chooses their orientation. WDYT, P? I'm perfectly content on where I am, but thanks for the suggestion.
JamesM Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Well, I know I didn't *choose* to be straight, and I never met a gay person who said they *chose* the lifestyle, so yeah, I'd have say IMO that sexual orientation is genetic... Personally, I don't feel that homosexuality is chosen. If anything it is an unconscious reaction to traumatic events occurring in one's life. Does that make it "wrong" based on that? I cannot say that. One doesn't choose many things in life, but that does not mean they are genetic. However, there are many things about our personalty as adults that we did not "choose" to be. These traits occurred as a result of events in our lives. And even still, there are many genetic diseases and conditions that we do not simply say are "normal" because they are genetic. We actually try to "cure" them. We in fact manipulate the genes as a way of fixing them. So, what makes this different? Does the fact that we didn't choose our orientation mean that all orientations are genetic? Does that mean that if I enjoy sex with anyone or anything but a member of the opposite sex, then I should be given the right to practice that type of sexual engagement? And that is just a question for thought...not necessarily my opinion. I just think that too often we hear something so many times that we assume it must be true. And in fact, because of that, the actual answers are never found.
gspgal Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 James, something doesn't have to be genetic to be pre-determined by biology. For instance, all human fetuses start out physically female regardless of whether they are genetically male or female. It is the presense of androgens and testosterone in the mother's system that cause the cells to physically develop along a male path. As a result, it is very possibly for someone to be genetically female but physically formed as a male (or vice versa). Not that I'm saying this is the case in all homosexuals, just that it is a possible reality for some. Plus there are studies that show differences in the brain structure between straight men and gay men.
JamesM Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 James, something doesn't have to be genetic to be pre-determined by biology. For instance, all human fetuses start out physically female regardless of whether they are genetically male or female. It is the presense of androgens and testosterone in the mother's system that cause the cells to physically develop along a male path. As a result, it is very possibly for someone to be genetically female but physically formed as a male (or vice versa). Not that I'm saying this is the case in all homosexuals, just that it is a possible reality for some. Nice statement, but it is not true. The false reasoning behind this is that since human fetuses start out without male genitalia, they are physically female. Yet the fact is that sex is determined at the moment of fertilization by the combination of chromosomes contained in the sperm and egg. You might as well argue that because new fetuses of mice and men are similar, all men start out as rodents. All fetuses start out looking the same, but this does not mean that they are female. It is not as if they start out as female and change to male. It has been determined by the genetic material/chromosomes they contain. The sex organs develop at three months...either male or female. There is a theory that the hormones that "wash" over them determine their sex, but genetic research shows that it is in the chromosomes. However, undoubtedly, this theory could only be disproved if a fetus could be brought to term without any hormones coming into contact with it. Plus there are studies that show differences in the brain structure between straight men and gay men. You are referring to Simon LeVay's studies. These are highly debatable. He himself was gay (just a side note). His results were not consistent. "The most famous of all the 'gay brain' studies must surely be the research of Simon LeVay, who claimed that he discovered a modest but significant difference in the size of an already tiny section of the brain, the hypothalamus, in a group of dead straight and gay men... The many serious flaws in LeVay's research and conclusions have been pointed out repeatedly, as have the tentative and problematic nature of the other work that has been done on identifying the biological causes of homosexuality. For example, there was no way to tell from the brains LeVay studied whether the differences in brain structure were the cause or the effect of homosexual behavior. Moreover, there was no verifiable way to determine the men's actual sexual behavior, since they were dead by the time the research was done -- the assumption was simply made that the ones who died from HIV infection were homosexuals... " And this is from a homosexual. http://bad.eserver.org/issues/1994/14/sartelle.html So, more research needs to be done.
SOS_Please Posted March 7, 2008 Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) ...that guy on the youtube videos reminds me of the movie But I'm a Cheerleader! LOL, it's a great film, and I highly recommend it, if you all haven't seen it. Now, on to the topic at hand: First of all, what a topic! God AND homosexuality on the same thread! Such controversy. Well, there are those who say that since God is omnipotent (Latin for all (omni) powerful (potent)) he can do anything--even convert the heterosexual to homosexual and vice versa. However, there is a second school of thought regarding God: that he is immutable (un-changing), and that once he deems something as being so, he does not change it. Some even argue that he cannot change it, which seems to deny omnipotence. All that being said, I am interested in philosophy, not theology. Although, this could be a metaphysical/ontological question, which is still in the realm of philosophy, I don't feel the need to go discuss the phenomenology of God--I could write a disertation on the matter. So, I digress. The real issue is homosexuality and whether a person is born, or chooses to be one. There are also two schools of thought on the matter. One is that--biologists, correct me if I'm wrong--a child in the embryonic stage receives too much estrogen (if male) or testosterone (if female) and developes a more masculine/feminine personality based off of that. The second is due to events that play a role in the psychology of a person, making him/her less inclined to be attracted to the opposite sex (viz. abuse of some sort that stems from the opposite sex). Personally, I know homosexuals who claim to be born that way, and others who will readily admit that they chose that lifestyle. So, I think the answer regarding the origin of homosexuality is: it all depends on the person and his/her life experiences/situation. I don't see why there is a problem with it, or why God would be so interested in the sex life of a human being, as long as the person loves whomever he/she is with, and both are adults. I do feel sorry for people who feel as though they have to convert to heterosexuality because of the fear of damnnation. I feel equally sorry for the quack in the video who wants to convert homosexuals by sending them to a Christian retreat, or whatever it is he plans on doing. Sometimes I can't believe that we're in the 21st century and people are still so ignorant regarding matters such as these. Edited March 7, 2008 by SOS_Please
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