popey Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 btw- I was just reading other posts, and realized that Luststarved, as I wrote and had been reading, is actually Luvstarved. inadvertant ... or Freudian, depending on what school of psychology you prescribe to. Sorry Luv.
luvstarved Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 btw- I was just reading other posts, and realized that Luststarved, as I wrote and had been reading, is actually Luvstarved. inadvertant ... or Freudian, depending on what school of psychology you prescribe to. Sorry Luv. NP Popey...although I have never BEEN luststarved, and am working on the luvstarved part with growing success. As far as the Freudian thing, he was a great pioneer, but I would not want him to be my therapist any more than I would want Edison to fix my computer...time marches on, y'know? As far as your question about KNOWING, I did not mean to sound so thoroughly convinced - I tend to err on the side of caution, but I think it is somewhat akin to me saying that I know the sun will rise tomorrow vs morelaugh saying that she knows the world will end tomorrow. Neither is certain, and either could be true, but...come on, what's more likely? The idea that people think you slept your way up is very self-effacing...aren't you really saying that at some level you come across as unqualified? I am too visible a problem-solver at my workplace to be able to believe that anyone but a complete moron would think that of me...and what do I care what morons think?
Author morelaugh Posted December 20, 2007 Author Posted December 20, 2007 I'm shocked by this response. What Morelaugh described is SO still prevalent. And I don't at all think that she is being arrogant. And MANY people have it in for someone who rises above them in a particular kind of success, regardless of the fact that you don't at all assume that this makes you a better or generally more successful human being. I seriously don't understand how Morelaugh's remarks lead to the suggestion that she needs therapy. And btw, how is her saying that she KNOWS some men want to sleep with her, or think she gained success through relations any different than Luststarved saying she KNOWS everyone knows she didn't? As for the suggestion that sexual harrasment is too costly, here's a quote for you- out to dinner with clients and some politicians. One's talking about a female employee he wants to sleep with. They are all so into it. One asks if he's ever afraid of getting sued. "hell no. I spend the extra money on the best insurance so I can feel free to be myself. its worth it." High fives, laughter and agreement all around the table. this is one of a million anectdotes I could give. Thank you!
Author morelaugh Posted December 20, 2007 Author Posted December 20, 2007 TBF, if you believe that majority of population needs some sort of therapy, there must be something wrong – either with the population or with your belief. LS, I had to be twice as competent as my male colleagues to get where I am know. People know that. And, before you ask, yes, they told me ‘to my face’. You are implying that I am incompetent without any knowledge about it, none whatsoever.You also imply that I dress provocatively and inappropriately – again without any indication that it may be so.Is your ‘knowledge’ about other things you say you KNOW based on assumptions as well? I can't believe you are saying that women deserve inappropriate male behaviour by choosing to dress a certain way?! If she was raped, would that be her fault?
Lizzie60 Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 Do you girls really don’t mind when you see a bunch of guys staring at a passing female? I don't really mind.. they look like morons who have never seen a woman in their life... Do you really don’t mind to see, what looks like a group of decent males, to totally lose control over themselves just because a girl passing has a nice pair of tits? Or legs. Or whatever. They don't look any more intelligent than a group of women losing control in a 'chippendale' bar... I even think women are worst.. Do you really think it’s normal and ok to look at women mainly as sexual objects? Either it is normal and/or OK.. is not a question.. no one will ever change human nature.. and sex being a very satisfying human activity and everyone (male and female) love to look at a nice body. You’re not really mind being looked at like a piece of meat? Or a pair of boobs? This will just go on more and more... Sex runs the world.. either you like it or not... that's just the way it is... I may be just an offspring of a feminist generation, but seriously girls, are you really happy with how the things are at the moment? I don't really care about what's going on.. what I care about is how my life is going and if everyone around me (friends and family) are happy.. that's all what matters to me... If men want to look at my big breasts.. they can look all they want.. Do I like to be starred at.. YES.. I do... I know (from what I hear) that I am sexy and I enjoy it. If I was 'invisible' like a lot of people out there... then I would be sad... I know this day will come one day... *sigh* when I grow old and all wrinkled... but I suppose we get ajusted to anything.. then I will focus on my grandkids... lol
Author morelaugh Posted December 20, 2007 Author Posted December 20, 2007 Lizzie, Your answer does make sense. The only thing is - I believe that the world around you DOES affect you, your family and friends . But I’d like to say something else: I read some of your other posts and - not that I will adopt your lifestyle immediately - but there are not too many people here who are able to overcome the society pre-programmed, lower middle class self-righteousness and open their minds. Regardless of if you agree with my opinions or not, you are a breath of fresh air on LS and I’d like to thank you for that.
luvstarved Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 TBF, if you believe that majority of population needs some sort of therapy, there must be something wrong – either with the population or with your belief. LS, I had to be twice as competent as my male colleagues to get where I am know. People know that. And, before you ask, yes, they told me ‘to my face’. You are implying that I am incompetent without any knowledge about it, none whatsoever.You also imply that I dress provocatively and inappropriately – again without any indication that it may be so.Is your ‘knowledge’ about other things you say you KNOW based on assumptions as well? I can't believe you are saying that women deserve inappropriate male behaviour by choosing to dress a certain way?! If she was raped, would that be her fault? Listen, YOU are the one who said that there are people who for some reason believe that you slept your way up the ladder. Have you ever known of that being thought of about anyone who wasn't at the same time deemed otherwise sub- or unqualified?? Why on earth else would someone think that?? In fact, THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT THE IMPLICATION IS, ISN'T IT? I also admitted that I don't KNOW ANYTHING for certain, even that the sun will rise...but some realities are way more likely than others. It is in the realm of possibility that people come to me daily to design solutions to complex problems because they think I f**ked the boss well...but I honestly do not believe so. I do respect other differences of opinion, but some are kind of out there. It sounds grandiose to me that you think you are twice as competent as your male PEERS and it just seems unlikely that you could be twice as good and still thought of as having gotten to your position through sexual skills. Really, I started out 25 years ago in a male dominated field and I did get some discrimination and what would now be deemed sexual harassment, but things are pretty different today in MOST places and I find it interesting that you think that it is everyone else whose thinking is skewed and/or antiquated. But to each their own. BTW I did not imply in any way that you dressed in any particular manner. I only said that there was a woman at my work who did and got that kind of attention. I certainly did not mean to equate you with an NFL cheerleader and apologize if I led you to understand differently.
luvstarved Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 I forgot to take exception to your saying that I thought women deserved inappropriate male behavior because they dressed a certain way. Again I do not KNOW. But I am going with my instincts and say that it is my BELIEF that this particular woman, who wears skin tight clothes and walks with a distinct "bounce" with her nose in the air is being intentionally provocative. In fact, I will go out on a real limb and say that most women dress to present a particular image or to angle for a particular response. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. God what a reaction for you to suggest that I think rape is "asked for". Where is your head? If you reread my post, you will also notice that I said that the men did NOT openly ogle but just were...affected... by her and that I thought it was natural and kind of humorous. I agree with TBF that you would benefit from some counseling. I agreed with you to a greater extent than many about disrespectful ogling, etc but your thinking seems to be ... somewhat narcissistic and delusional. BEFORE you jump on that one...I said "seems to be". Not that I KNOW.
luvstarved Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 And last but not least...all knowledge IS based on assumptions. Or, there is no knowledge, and nothing can ever be known. WTF else???
Author morelaugh Posted December 20, 2007 Author Posted December 20, 2007 Have you ever known of that being thought of about anyone who wasn't at the same time deemed otherwise sub- or unqualified?? Off course I have! I already said - I am definitelly NOT the only one. Look, mabe the reason you are not aware of this is that you come across too rigid so people don’t talk to you about things like that. (... once again you are telling me I’m unqualified...) It sounds grandiose to me that you think you are twice as competent as your male PEERS and it just seems unlikely that you could be twice as good and still thought of as having gotten to your position through sexual skills. Yet it’s true. Most of them know that and, even acknowledge that – typically when I help them with something. But, you obviously know it better, even though you don’t have anything to base your opinion on. I am certainly not going to try to prove my competence to you and certainly not here and I don’t understand your need to go out of your way to tell me how incompetent I was.
Author morelaugh Posted December 20, 2007 Author Posted December 20, 2007 And last but not least...all knowledge IS based on assumptions. Or, there is no knowledge, and nothing can ever be known. WTF else??? It takes much more than a few misplaced assumptions from the Internet board to call something 'knowledge'.
Author morelaugh Posted December 20, 2007 Author Posted December 20, 2007 Look, luvstarved, at this stage I don’t think this discussion is productive in any way. If you want to continue, fine, but I think we said what we had to say. Who said we have to agree?
Lizzie60 Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 Lizzie, Your answer does make sense. The only thing is - I believe that the world around you DOES affect you, your family and friends . But I’d like to say something else: I read some of your other posts and - not that I will adopt your lifestyle immediately - but there are not too many people here who are able to overcome the society pre-programmed, lower middle class self-righteousness and open their minds. Regardless of if you agree with my opinions or not, you are a breath of fresh air on LS and I’d like to thank you for that. WOW... I'm speechless... how nice... thank YOU...
mental_traveller Posted December 26, 2007 Posted December 26, 2007 You kidding? I hate the superficial and shallow world we live in. I don't like any of what you mentioned. Being just an "eye-full" or "another ass to stare at" or whatever is so rude and disrespectful. And the fact that people can't keep themselves under more control to show more decency is a sad thing. Do you find it disrespectful if a guy gets turned on by your body when he's in bed with you? If someone doesn't want to be looked at as a sexual object, that's fine - as long as they realise it means they will never have sex again. To have sex you pretty much have to turn on your partner to some degree, and that means acting and appearing sexual.
mental_traveller Posted December 26, 2007 Posted December 26, 2007 morelaugh, you have some issues you need to address. I strongly suggest some deep therapy. This is way, way, way beyond anything anyone can address on LS. Until you admit you have these issues, beyond the need for a superiority/inferiority complex, no one can help you, not even a therapist. She needs "deep therapy" because of one post on loveshack? Lol.
Trialbyfire Posted December 26, 2007 Posted December 26, 2007 She needs "deep therapy" because of one post on loveshack? Lol. Read the rest of her threads...
Author morelaugh Posted December 27, 2007 Author Posted December 27, 2007 As I said, TBF, I’m sure you’re qualified to make a diagnosis like that. Not surprising from someone who thinks the majority of population needs therapy.
HoustonScrewed Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I just read the first post, so if this is out of line at this point please just delete. 1. Do I look at great looking women as they walk by? YES! 2. Should men be offended when a guy that gets out of a driven town car dressed in a nice suit gets gawked at by women? It happens! 3. Should men be offended when we get gawked at getting out of our sLR McLaren or SL65? It happens! I know 2 & 3 for fact and have had it happen every time! Why should guys be the only ones roasted?!?
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