White Flower Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Er, I don't think you're quite her kind of customer. Her specialty is 'happy endings'. I know, I was just teasing her:)
Leia Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 yummy fetuchini in creamy alfredo and garlic sauce I love Fettucini Alfredo!!! I would be a jerk too if that happened to me!
MrsHellnoFire Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 I went shopping today and met my young lover with his gf... hand in hand... I'm sure he saw me but didn't look at me.... it was weird... I couldn't see her face though, I just saw her from the back. She's a tall blond... I smiled... good thing he didn't look at me.. it would have been too obvious... Oh well... life goes on... I don't get this. He just has a girlfriend and is not married or tied down, so why the need for you??
White Flower Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 You think that's bad...their probably bonking. BTW Lizzy...what's the point of this thread? I wanted to anwer this question about 5 days ago and am just now able to come back and do it. So many people want to hate Lizzie because we like to believe that if there weren't girls like her out there, our Hs wouldn't have a place to go and cheat. We envy her because she has what we want--our H's attention and...well...manhood. But if she were married, chances are her H would be doing the same thing with someone like.....you. Why? There are a multitude of reasons. For most, I think it is simply variety. We as a spouse cannot provide variety. Oh, we can change our hair color and stuff like that, but most cheaters (of the serial type) really just want variety. But, not all cheaters are serial cheaters, as we have learned here. And I do think this young one is telling her the truth. My MM wishes he could be so honest with his wife, but at times when he did try she would say things like, "Oh, you're sick!". Then he felt the door was shut forever and he just won't go there ever again. For example, how many times a week he masterbates. He can tell me, Lizzie, or any OW these things without being judged. This is one of the reasons a man has an OW. He wants to show an intimate partner who he really is and to be accepted for who he is at the very core. His wife wants him to be respectable, providing, caring, and there. But he wants to know she will love him even when he is dirty or says dirty things. And he doesn't want to be judged for it. The point of Lizzie's thread? To give us perspective. We OW are not all the same. She knows who she is and what she wants and is living by it. I wish I could be that strong, then I wouldn't have the dilemma I keep crying about. But, at the very least, for those who judge her harshly, don't you ever wonder what goes on in your b/f or H's mind when in public. He could be with you and see his OW and react the way Lizzie's guy reacted. We have learned something just by her very first post. This happens every day of the week in every town around the world. I once saw my MM at a function with his W. He left her side many times to come to me just for a grab of the A$$ or a quick peck on the cheek. I am telling you this so you can be aware. Not trying to put extreme suspicion in your heart, but just know that it happens all over the place. And I learned something, too. I saw how sure she was. How well taken care of she was in her coccoon of family and friends. This was not an unhappy marriage. This was an unhappy man who couldn't break the news to his wife. Not now. Not ever. No, he was never going to leave her. That was the point of my post and maybe Lizzie's.
Trialbyfire Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 We envy her because she has what we want--our H's attention and...well...manhood. In this, I have to fully disagree. Not all of us want what she has. If we did, I suspect we could make it a booming business...
MrsHellnoFire Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 LOL... 4 is not a lot .. I had much more at one time... but I'm getting too old for more... and that's besides my regulars for massage... but it's about 50/50 single and married for the massages. What the. Did you meet your men during massage therapy or something? You massage their shoulders and then ask if you can work down to their balls??? IS that how it all starts??
Fancee Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Sounds heart breaking....those words you used....my....lover...2hard.....4me.
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 I wanted to anwer this question about 5 days ago and am just now able to come back and do it. So many people want to hate Lizzie because we like to believe that if there weren't girls like her out there, our Hs wouldn't have a place to go and cheat. We envy her because she has what we want--our H's attention and...well...manhood. But if she were married, chances are her H would be doing the same thing with someone like.....you. Why? There are a multitude of reasons. For most, I think it is simply variety. We as a spouse cannot provide variety. Oh, we can change our hair color and stuff like that, but most cheaters (of the serial type) really just want variety. But, not all cheaters are serial cheaters, as we have learned here. And I do think this young one is telling her the truth. My MM wishes he could be so honest with his wife, but at times when he did try she would say things like, "Oh, you're sick!". Then he felt the door was shut forever and he just won't go there ever again. For example, how many times a week he masterbates. He can tell me, Lizzie, or any OW these things without being judged. This is one of the reasons a man has an OW. He wants to show an intimate partner who he really is and to be accepted for who he is at the very core. His wife wants him to be respectable, providing, caring, and there. But he wants to know she will love him even when he is dirty or says dirty things. And he doesn't want to be judged for it. The point of Lizzie's thread? To give us perspective. We OW are not all the same. She knows who she is and what she wants and is living by it. I wish I could be that strong, then I wouldn't have the dilemma I keep crying about. But, at the very least, for those who judge her harshly, don't you ever wonder what goes on in your b/f or H's mind when in public. He could be with you and see his OW and react the way Lizzie's guy reacted. We have learned something just by her very first post. This happens every day of the week in every town around the world. I once saw my MM at a function with his W. He left her side many times to come to me just for a grab of the A$$ or a quick peck on the cheek. I am telling you this so you can be aware. Not trying to put extreme suspicion in your heart, but just know that it happens all over the place. And I learned something, too. I saw how sure she was. How well taken care of she was in her coccoon of family and friends. This was not an unhappy marriage. This was an unhappy man who couldn't break the news to his wife. Not now. Not ever. No, he was never going to leave her. That was the point of my post and maybe Lizzie's. Well said... the first statement (bold) is exact.. men loves to get down and dirty... they love to be opened without being judged... very good point WF... I'm sure know more about how and when they masterbate and she has no clue... she (W) would be insulted. I haven't had the occasion to meet any of my MMs in public with their SO but that's what some fear the most, to come face to face with me in public when they are with their SO. My family and my friends are my treasures... I will always be there for them... but now I'm excited about my grand-daughter.. she's now the love of my life.
White Flower Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 In this, I have to fully disagree. Not all of us want what she has. If we did, I suspect we could make it a booming business... I'm not sure you fully understand what I meant. When you're in a serious relationship, don't you want your H or SO to be with you all the time? Don't you want his manhood (privates) all to yourself? And if he was sharing that with OW, wouldn't you want to know what he's sharing with her? My point was that Lizzie is telling us really as a favor. We are learning from her.
whichwayisup Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 The point of Lizzie's thread? To give us perspective. We OW are not all the same. She knows who she is and what she wants and is living by it. I wish I could be that strong, then I wouldn't have the dilemma I keep crying about The difference is, Lizzie isn't looking for love, committment or anything other than sex and fun with the MM she has in her life. (Though I think the young buck has caught her eye and there are feelings there...) Most of the OW here have fallen or about to fall deeply inlove with their MM and want more, want a relationship, want him to leave his wife. Lizzie doesn't and she's okay with how things are. No expectations. Also, noone should be comparing their situation to Lizzie's as her situation IS different than most on here. I've not read of many OW here who are just looking for sex and fun - Though Gwen comes to mind, but I truly believe she's fallen hard for her MM and wants it all, yet hasn't really admitted it to herself quite yet...Either way, she's in deeper than she thinks.
Trialbyfire Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 I'm not sure you fully understand what I meant. When you're in a serious relationship, don't you want your H or SO to be with you all the time? Don't you want his manhood (privates) all to yourself? And if he was sharing that with OW, wouldn't you want to know what he's sharing with her? My point was that Lizzie is telling us really as a favor. We are learning from her. There's no power behind aiding and abetting a cheater. I consider it behaviour associated to someone who feeds off of other peoples' misery, a form of emotional vampire. As for wanting my SO to be solely mine, absolutely. He's either in or he's out, figuratively or realistically speaking. Where's the favour? All she's doing is trying to erode on peoples' self-esteem and trust in their relationships. It's like she gains some form of empowerment from misery.
whichwayisup Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 The point of Lizzie's thread? To give us perspective. We OW are not all the same. She knows who she is and what she wants and is living by it. I wish I could be that strong, then I wouldn't have the dilemma I keep crying about The difference is, Lizzie isn't looking for love, committment or anything other than sex and fun with the MM she has in her life. (Though I think the young buck has caught her eye and there are feelings there...) Most of the OW here have fallen or about to fall deeply inlove with their MM and want more, want a relationship, want him to leave his wife. Lizzie doesn't and she's okay with how things are. No expectations. Also, noone should be comparing their situation to Lizzie's as her situation IS different than most on here. I've not read of many OW here who are just looking for sex and fun - Though Gwen comes to mind, but I truly believe she's fallen hard for her MM and wants it all, yet hasn't really admitted it to herself quite yet...Either way, she's in deeper than she thinks.
luvmy2ns Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 It's like she gains some form of empowerment from misery. And money and gifts. And yet probably looks down her nose at hookers in Vegas. Go figure.
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 There's no power behind aiding and abetting a cheater. I consider it behaviour associated to someone who feeds off of other peoples' misery, a form of emotional vampire. The power is in choosing a life for yourself that makes you happy that makes you feel like you have chosen the right life for yourself, that's the sense I get when I read Lizzie's posts.Even if some of us may not adapt that same lifestyle for ourselves I respect her choice in making her life EXACTLY what she wants it to be for her. That's not the same sense I get when I read your posts TBF.
Owl Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 I wanted to repost this, as I never saw a response back from any of the ladies that I'd posed the question to: [quot]: Wow, you think You have it all figured out, huh? You must be a BS-its so freakin' obvious. The wives and gf's of these men are Not our problem. The husbands and bf's are not the OM's problem. Why not??? What you're doing impacts their lives. What their spouse is doing impacts YOUR husband or bf's lives just as much. Most OP's don't WANT to think about what the affair is doing to MM/MW's spouse, because they don't want to admit that what they're doing is wrong. Or that its being done at someone else's expense. Agreed, the OP never made any promises to the betrayed spouse. That IS the MM/MW's area of guilt and responsibility. But, if an OP KNOWINGLY begins an affair with a married person, they're equally responsible for the pain and suffering that the BS is caused by that affair. Aren't we all responsible for the results of our actions? If what we KNOWINGLY do DOES hurt someone...directly or indirectly...aren't we responsible for it? I'm not posting this to argue, but asking the question since I can't understand the mindset.
reboot Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Sure. I feel like I have the right to make my life how I want it to be for myself, however, I also feel that my rights end where someone elses begin...
Trialbyfire Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 The power is in choosing a life for yourself that makes you happy that makes you feel like you have chosen the right life for yourself, that's the sense I get when I read Lizzie's posts.Even if some of us may not adapt that same lifestyle for ourselves I respect her choice in making her life EXACTLY what she wants it to be for her. That's not the same sense I get when I read your posts TBF. I completely agree with choosing a life for yourself to make you happy. On the other hand, there are healthy and unhealthy choices in life. For example, if a serial killer is happy killing, do you respect his/her choices in life? It makes them happy too.
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Sure. I feel like I have the right to make my life how I want it to be for myself, however, I also feel that my rights end where someone elses begin... and I think that's a great way to live, for you. Unfortunately we cannot expect that from everyone, that's where people run into huge dissapointments. Not everyone sees their life in such a clear black and white manner. morality is personal, it is not the norm.
whichwayisup Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 The wives and gf's of these men are Not our problem. The husbands and bf's are not the OM's problem. Yet, once the A is over or if MM/MW ends or tries to end the A, the OW/OM all a sudden wants to BE more involved in the MM/MW's marriage and spill all to the BS.
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 I completely agree with choosing a life for yourself to make you happy. On the other hand, there are healthy and unhealthy choices in life. For example, if a serial killer is happy killing, do you respect his/her choices in life? It makes them happy too. Serial Killers have a mental illness, they take lives away from people, there is no two people consenting to an act it is one person inflicting his power over another innocent human being. Lizzie's partners are hardly victims nor are they non-consenting. apples and oranges. and no I do not respect a person who takes another person't life, illness or not it is no one's right to end another human being's life. and before you go ahead and say that the BSs of Lizzie's parnter are the victims, yes they are but they are vitims of their spouses not Lizzie, she has on commitments to them.
Trialbyfire Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Serial Killers have a mental illness, they take lives away from people, there is no two people consenting to an act it is one person inflicting his power over another innocent human being. Lizzie's partners are hardly victims nor are they non-consenting. apples and oranges. and no I do not respect a person who takes another person't life, illness or not it is no one's right to end another human being's life. and before you go ahead and say that the BSs of Lizzie's parnter are the victims, yes they are but they are vitims of their spouses not Lizzie, she has on commitments to them. Oh, so you see a limit to how far someone should go for their personal happiness? Some serial killers are considered sane by the courts. A need for validation through victimizing others in the process without their consent or knowledge, is on par. Whether you destroy a life or destroy a relationship, it's for personal gain.
luvmy2ns Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 she has on commitments to them. I think we, as human beings, ALL have a commitment to one another. "Do unto others..." I know it's a trite little cliche, but oh, so true. Like I don't cut in lines, nor do I allow my children to, because it's just NOT NICE. However, if I see someone doing not nice things to people, whether these are people they personally know or not, I let 'em have it verbally. We don't have to personally know people to have a responsibility to not **** on them for our own gain.
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Aren't we all responsible for the results of our actions? If what we KNOWINGLY do DOES hurt someone...directly or indirectly...aren't we responsible for it? . Well if that is the case we are all gulity of doing this of hurting other people and making our happiness selfish and hurting others directly or indirectly. Unless you have never bought a cotton white t-shirt or a pair of faded jeans, or shopped at Walmart then you are 100% responsible for the labour abuse of children in Burkina Fasso or Puebla or Bangladesh. Children that go home with bleeding eyes and coughing up blood due to the fumes injested in the non-ventilated quarters they work in 15 hr days for $5 a month. You know this you know this well. It's just easier to ignore the facts and make the best of your life as you use subliminal "serial reciprocity" in your own lives and point the fingers at other's lives and the grave mistakes "they make".
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 A. Whether you destroy a life or destroy a relationship, it's for personal gain. Unless you kill someone you don't destroy anyone's life or relatoinship for that matter, YOU are responsible for your life all on your own. If your feel your life was destroyed it's because you haven't got a handle on your life and have not done a good enough job to make it better. It clearly still needs more work. No one but you is responsible for your happiness and good life.
Trialbyfire Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 I think we, as human beings, ALL have a commitment to one another. "Do unto others..." I know it's a trite little cliche, but oh, so true. Like I don't cut in lines, nor do I allow my children to, because it's just NOT NICE. However, if I see someone doing not nice things to people, whether these are people they personally know or not, I let 'em have it verbally. We don't have to personally know people to have a responsibility to not **** on them for our own gain. Going by the same logic, another example of such is the control freak boss who enjoys firing people and abusing his employees. It makes him happy so everyone should respect his choice.
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