Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 I do nice things for people all the time, but they're free to tell others. They don't have to sneak about behind closed doors to get "nice" from me. Your brand of nice comes with a dollar amount tacked to it. Good for you! I also do lots and lots of good things to people that they can tell others about... you're not the only one you know... I'm not glued to my mattress 12 hours a day... I have a life with my family and friends as well... and I work full time...
luvmy2ns Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Well that's good you had the guts to step to the question and face it full on. Ohhhh so we admit that we are ok with killing children off in third world countries then. Well that's a step in the right direction. I don't know what's worse then sleeping with a man who has a wife or killing children abroad? That is a moral question we should all ponder seeing as there are so many moralists amongst us that have their right from wrong defined in a very cut and dry way... So why is one ok and not the other again? Funny how you side-step your own question.
Trialbyfire Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Exit, stage left for me. Life's about cause and effect.
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 There are certainly sane serial killers. So I hope people who presume serial killers to be insane aren't on juries. Or what about killers in general... they think they had some excuse/ right to kill someone, and it often brings them pleasure at the time. I don't understand why everyone's being so nit-picky about the "saneness" of killers... the point remains the same, that a person shouldn't go around doing what makes her personally happy or what she feels "entitled" to do (kill someone, sleep with someone else's husband...) and refusing to think about the consequences her actions have on other people (the dead person, the wife and family). If that's your perogative, cool... I suppose it was to me at one time in that I acted on my own feelings instead of reflecting on whether my actions were right or wrong. Now, to me, that attitude lacks integrity. You can't expect people to respect you if you don't respect them. well first of all to compare a serial killer to someone who has sex with CONSENTING married men for money or pleasure or what ever that may be is absurd. secondly the problem is not what that woman is doing the problem is the MAN who cannot keep it in his pants. If you married an alcoholic would you equate a bar to a serial killer? how absurd, get him some help if he wants it or divorce him. Of course the women don't know in this case, well maybe they do and as long as the executive $$ keep coming in and the new deck gets done on the summer home, they look the other way. Or maybe they are poor women deeply in love with their husbands and have no clue they are with two timming pigs That's the luck of the draw when you partner up with another human being that has a mind, free will and actions of their own.
luvmy2ns Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 So...you're so happy you constantly need validation for your choices... ...as she leans closer to the mirror and, in the harsh light of day coming through the window, views more and more wrinkles each time she looks, the aging plainly showing now. But, oh joy, there's the doorbell! Validation calling again!!! Now where's my FDS and my anal beads?
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 I fully disagree too (to women envying Lizzie). I for one do not envy Lizzie. I would rather have a husband and family than the attention of other women's husbands. I'm not saying I don't understand that there are women like Lizzie out there or that I judge her or hate her. If it makes her happy and she has no problem with it, then ok, to each his own, but I could not live with myself forever that way. To me, there is more to life and that is not true happiness. If it's true happiness to Lizzie, good for her. Honestly I personally think a lot of women feel sorry for Lizzie rather than envy her. Because they see her as lonely and allowing men to use her without ever finding true love of her own. I don't envy her nor do I feel sorry for her... I understand why women would do that and why women don't. I agree with Trailbyfire that *every* woman could be Lizzie if she wanted to, so why would women who envy her not just go do it? Sorry but I have to disagree with a few things... I had a SO and children, most of my life.. then I had another SO for 5 years.. .so my adult life was mainly passed in relationships. You seem to forget that I am 55, been single for only 6 yrs now... I know what you're saying.. Of course when I was in my 20s, 30s, 40s... I didn't want that life... I am alone but NOT lonely... I have a very good life... full of love from friends and family... I am blessed really... don't feel sorry for me... and to say that 'every' woman can be a Lizzie.. sorry but I disagree.. unless you're a 'dog' then you'll get the lower class (jerks with no class).. but women my age... I don't see too much women who can still do that... and with much younger men at that..
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Funny how you side-step your own question. I didn't side step anything OF COURSE I don't spin my own wool. But I also don't sit here and judge other people's moral choices like I was some superior being who is doing the world good for not getting involved with a married person when I hypcritically do the world a lot of harm in other ways. I don't wear a wonder woman cape and don't want one. I see there are many people who are more than eager for that job. I also don't get my titties in a knot because someone betrayed me and want to kill women because some jackass couldn't keep it in his pants. Sht happens, you can feel sorry for yourself and hate all women because they took my "chance" at happiness away OR I can say to hell with all that jazz there is more to life than than trying to make everything right all the time, there is more peace in being wrong sometimes than being right. at the end of the day I am my own judgement day, if I can sleep at night and BELIEVE me I can sleep, then that's good for me.
Owl Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Tomcat- Give me a break with the silliness already. We (at least me) aren't talking about third world kids... I'm talking about someone involved in affairs. If you can't find yourself able to stay focused on that, please don't waste my time with foolish analogies. Stay on the subject already. How is she NOT responsible for what's happening to MM's wife and spouse? She is DIRECTLY interfering in that marriage with her affair with MM. (please spare me anymore starving child nonsense...answer the question in the context given for a change). What she is doing has DIRECT IMPACTS...that are clear RESULTS of the affair. How does someone not find themselves responsible for that? If I were to find myself in that same situation, I can't imagine how I could possibly see that I didn't CAUSE damage to the marriage. Regardless of where the marriage was prior to the affair (and its nearly ever in the state the the MM claims it is, btw), any infidelity done can do nothing but worsen the situation. How do you really avoid responsibility for that?
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 Do you pay income tax on your earnings from your side business? Is your side business a registered entity? You very well know the answer to that question.. but I don't see it differently than waiters/waitresses, hairdressers, etc. who don't declare their tips... I pay a lot of taxes from my day job.. so I contribute.
Owl Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Lizzie- After giving it more thought...I don't think you're an OW. You're a paid professional. Given that, I can understand your mindset. I'll bow out of your thread now.
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 So...you're so happy you constantly need validation for your choices... Not at all.. I do not need validation for my choices.. I will always stand by my choices
TogetherForever Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Off topic just for a second..... Lizzie you have such pretty feet......they resemble mine!! TF (They are your feet, right?)
luvmy2ns Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Lizzie- After giving it more thought...I don't think you're an OW. You're a paid professional. Given that, I can understand your mindset. I'll bow out of your thread now. You just now figured that out? Wow. You must be new, eh?
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 Off topic just for a second..... Lizzie you have such pretty feet......they resemble mine!! TF (They are your feet, right?) Hahaha.. no they're not.. but I have cute feet similar to those... I chose this avatar cause I looooove the shoes...
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 Lizzie- After giving it more thought...I don't think you're an OW. You're a paid professional. Given that, I can understand your mindset. I'll bow out of your thread now. Not with all.. my MM from work has absolutely NO clue about my lifestyle.. so with him I am a OW... not a professional.
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 you never got back to me about the old lady at the store.. Why didn't you stepped up to defend her?
Owl Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 LOL!!! :) Not new...just honestly surprised that someone in your profession would post on a relationship forum. I'm surprised that you think of yourself as an OW as well. I can easily understand (now) why you feel the way that you do...clearly you don't require any "support" like most true OW do, nor do you have any regrets about where you're at. I guess I am curious...what's your reason for posting here? (that's not meant as an insult, btw...I really am curious)
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Tomcat- Give me a break with the silliness already. We (at least me) aren't talking about third world kids... I'm talking about someone involved in affairs. If you can't find yourself able to stay focused on that, please don't waste my time with foolish analogies. Stay on the subject already. I'm VERY focused thank you very much and I am talking about morality and what constitutes moral choice.. If yo think the idea that acknowledging that you USE children in the third world is silly then that PROVES EXACTLY my point that people keep their moral standards acrroding that comofortable FOR them. SO you should be THE LAST person to judge someone like Lizzie. SO quit being a hypocrite and telling me it is wrong to covet thy neighbour's wife when you have no qualms about killing they foreign neighbour's children.
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 LOL!!! :) Not new...just honestly surprised that someone in your profession would post on a relationship forum. I'm surprised that you think of yourself as an OW as well. I can easily understand (now) why you feel the way that you do...clearly you don't require any "support" like most true OW do, nor do you have any regrets about where you're at. I guess I am curious...what's your reason for posting here? (that's not meant as an insult, btw...I really am curious) Probably for the same reason YOU are posting...
Tomcat33 Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Tomcat- Give me a break with the silliness already. We (at least me) aren't talking about third world kids... I'm talking about someone involved in affairs. If you can't find yourself able to stay focused on that, please don't waste my time with foolish analogies. Stay on the subject already. I'm VERY focused thank you very much and I am talking about morality and what constitutes moral choice.. If you think the idea that acknowledging that you USE children in the third world is silly then that PROVES EXACTLY my point that people keep their moral standards acrroding that comofortable FOR them. SO you should be THE LAST person to judge someone like Lizzie.
PLAYBRAT Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 OK ..I'm confused..Lizzie is a "PAID professional"???? Umm doing what? And why is that relevant to the thread? Please don't tell me you give "happy endings"...
Author Lizzie60 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 I'm VERY focused thank you very much and I am talking about morality and what constitutes moral choice.. If yo think the idea that acknowledging that you USE children in the third world is silly then that PROVES EXACTLY my point that people keep their moral standards acrroding that comofortable FOR them. SO you should be THE LAST person to judge someone like Lizzie. SO quit being a hypocrite and telling me it is wrong to covet thy neighbour's wife when you have no qualms about killing they foreign neighbour's children. Well said.. sooo true...
Owl Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Pardon me... I'll just grab my U.S made shotgun, move back out in the woods and start hunting my own food and living in tanned skins again. I'm impressed...the mental gymnastics around here would leave some of guru's I've met amazed. Good luck ladies...may you get all that you've earned.
luvmy2ns Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Pardon me... I'll just grab my U.S made shotgun, move back out in the woods and start hunting my own food and living in tanned skins again. I'm impressed...the mental gymnastics around here would leave some of guru's I've met amazed. Good luck ladies...may you get all that you've earned. LMAOROTF :lmao: Yep, I believe in Karma too.
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