Woggle Posted November 24, 2007 Posted November 24, 2007 It's just the way it's done. . Remember when they used to say that about keeping women barefoot and pregnant and when they used to say that about cooking and cleaning being a woman's job. Luckily that has changed but women need to stop putting these strict gender roles onto men. If women want equality and I think that equality is a good thing then they should also not expect men to be stuck in our roles either. Equality is a two way street.
Pirouette Posted November 24, 2007 Posted November 24, 2007 Remember when they used to say that about keeping women barefoot and pregnant and when they used to say that about cooking and cleaning being a woman's job. Luckily that has changed but women need to stop putting these strict gender roles onto men. If women want equality and I think that equality is a good thing then they should also not expect men to be stuck in our roles either. Equality is a two way street. I'm not quite sure what you're complaining about in the context of this thread, though I am thankful I don't know anyone who feels the way you do. Anyway, when I go out on dates, I'm always prepared to pay for the both of us. I also expect my date to always be prepared to pay. Who actually does pay is irrelevant to me. It is the matching of values and over time I think we'll both pay roughly equal amounts. If he's prepared to hold a few dollars over my head as if I'm stealing from him, than I am prepared to hold a few dollars over his head as if he's undateable.
amerikajin Posted November 24, 2007 Posted November 24, 2007 I'm not quite sure what you're complaining about in the context of this thread, though I am thankful I don't know anyone who feels the way you do. Anyway, when I go out on dates, I'm always prepared to pay for the both of us. I also expect my date to always be prepared to pay. Who actually does pay is irrelevant to me. It is the matching of values and over time I think we'll both pay roughly equal amounts. If he's prepared to hold a few dollars over my head as if I'm stealing from him, than I am prepared to hold a few dollars over his head as if he's undateable. I think this is an intelligent response. To me, I think the whole 'who pays' argument is another issue that arises from insecurity; money becomes a power struggle between the man and the woman in a lot of relationships. I don't think women want a cheapskate but at the same time, I don't think women want some guy who thinks he can just buy his way into a relationship. Who pays and how much ultimately comes down to respect. If I know my date can pay her way, I expect her to start picking up the tab. The whole bit about being a traditional woman and wanting a traditional man only works if a woman is truly traditional through and through. Some women want independence and equality in the workplace and everywhere else, but then when it comes to picking up the tab, they claim to be traditional women -- I think that's what Woggs is sayin'. I don't think this can be applied across the board to all women but I've definitely met women who fit this description and I sense that Woggs has actually dated women like this. This is blatantly disrespectful, and it won't work with me. I'll pay for the first date if I offer and maybe even if I don't, but after that, unless she's a student or on welfare, I expect her to start paying her fair share.
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