Sean0775 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Arms, legs and head are definitely gravy. Legs and Face are DEFINITELY NOT gravy. I'd put Thin under gravy before Legs and Face.
Trialbyfire Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Legs and Face are DEFINITELY NOT gravy. I'd put Thin under gravy before Legs and Face. I noticed the back of the head is missing. She'll look odd from behind.
Sean0775 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 I noticed the back of the head is missing. She'll look odd from behind. I figure that sets her apart from the rest...different is good, right?
Trialbyfire Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 I figure that sets her apart from the rest...different is good, right? Pancakes are usually considered bad...
Sean0775 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Pancakes are usually considered bad... Lies...any pancake is passable with enough butter and syrup.
Trialbyfire Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Lies...any pancake is passable with enough butter and syrup. I don't even want to know what you plan for your future g/f. You're starting to scare me.
Sean0775 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 I don't even want to know what you plan for your future g/f. You're starting to scare me. It's all about the metaphors. Take the words Butter and Syrup and just use your imagination.
Woggle Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Men are not that picky but we need to be much more so because if we were we would not find ourselves in the situations many of ourselves find ourselves in. We tend to marry the attracive and thin woman then wonder why ten years later we end up with a nagging woman that resents the hell out of us or we get the I love you but I am not in love with you speech. For a man that has higher standards than that dating is extremely difficult because the pick of decent women is so small. If you are a genuily good woman worth a man investing his time and emotion it is not hard to find a good man but if you are a genuinely good man you will find yourself constantly passed up for some scumbag who treat a woman like trash. In the edn I will say dating s much easier for women.
sumdude Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Well, hard for me to say right now but from my POV at this time it 'seems' easier for women. At least the women who choose to be the approachers for sure. If your smart girls, whenyou see a guy who is single and you really like, go after him instead of waiting for him and sending 'signals' . You'll be surprised how easy it might be! Most of us good guys don't know the 'game' that well and require neon signs and baseball bats to the head to get the 'signal'. Then again I'm 39, at 10 months after my wife left me, recently divorced so my perspective is probably skewed a bit LOL
Author uniqueone Posted November 11, 2007 Author Posted November 11, 2007 Men are not that picky but we need to be much more so because if we were we would not find ourselves in the situations many of ourselves find ourselves in. We tend to marry the attracive and thin woman then wonder why ten years later we end up with a nagging woman that resents the hell out of us or we get the I love you but I am not in love with you speech. For a man that has higher standards than that dating is extremely difficult because the pick of decent women is so small. If you are a genuily good woman worth a man investing his time and emotion it is not hard to find a good man but if you are a genuinely good man you will find yourself constantly passed up for some scumbag who treat a woman like trash. In the edn I will say dating s much easier for women. I just wish I could make myself physically attracted to more of them than I am. I'm just not physically attracted to many men. That sort of lowers the possibilities for me.
Author uniqueone Posted November 11, 2007 Author Posted November 11, 2007 Well, hard for me to say right now but from my POV at this time it 'seems' easier for women. At least the women who choose to be the approachers for sure. If your smart girls, whenyou see a guy who is single and you really like, go after him instead of waiting for him and sending 'signals' . You'll be surprised how easy it might be! Most of us good guys don't know the 'game' that well and require neon signs and baseball bats to the head to get the 'signal'. But the thing is.....I don't want a guy that needs neon signs and baseball bats to the head to get the signal. That turns me off. It strikes me as dense and I don't care for dense men. I mean, how am I supposed to see a guy as intelligent if he can't figure out obvious signs? There are some women that are attracted to the big, dorky, clueless type, but I'm not. So sure....I could approach him and he'd probably be interested, but by that time, I'm already thinking "Wow...what an idiot".
sumdude Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 But the thing is.....I don't want a guy that needs neon signs and baseball bats to the head to get the signal. That turns me off. It strikes me as dense and I don't care for dense men. I mean, how am I supposed to see a guy as intelligent if he can't figure out obvious signs? There are some women that are attracted to the big, dorky, clueless type, but I'm not. So sure....I could approach him and he'd probably be interested, but by that time, I'm already thinking "Wow...what an idiot". On the one hand I see your point ... on the other it seems like just maybe you put a lot of obstacles in the way. How many burning hoops, ladders and moats do you expect a guy to get through to get to you? FWIW there are just as many clueless ladies out there too. The rules have changed in the last 40 years. Sometimes it seems that women want (and deserve) all the respect, jobs, work, equality yet when it comes to dating etc. the men still have to do all the work and pass all the tests. As for me, I'm picky as heck, probably should have been even pickier when it came to my ex but live and learn... I might be physically attracted to a woman at first but if the conversation isn't stimulating generally the rest isn't either..
Timberlane Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 It hasn't been easy over here on this side of the fence, exactly. I think you have gotten this simplified idea that men are fine with someone who is thin, attractive, and nice (and that's it) from men that just don't articulate what they really want. Perhaps they meant that this is a good start. I don't know. Since they are men, they are probably not going to sit and wax nostalgic about the details of what else they want. Most men are kind of secretive that way.
sumdude Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 So sure....I could approach him and he'd probably be interested, but by that time, I'm already thinking "Wow...what an idiot". How about not having pre conceived notions about someone before you even talk to them?
Author uniqueone Posted November 11, 2007 Author Posted November 11, 2007 FWIW there are just as many clueless ladies out there too. Never said there weren't. The rules have changed in the last 40 years. Sometimes it seems that women want (and deserve) all the respect, jobs, work, equality yet when it comes to dating etc. the men still have to do all the work and pass all the tests. To me, the passage of time has nothing to do with it. WHO changed the rules? Not me. Do you think I follow what everyone else does just because someone arbitrarily decided to changed the so-called "rules"? No, I don't think so. I march to my own drummer. And can you tell me how respect in the workplace equates with men asking the women out for dates? You seemed to have linked them all together as "equality". And sadly, what you're saying is.....ok women....I'll give you some respect as a person in the workplace, in job equality, etc....but here's what you have to do FOR ME in return.......you have to start pursuing me sexually for dates. And not only do i want you to pursue me now but I want you to pay for it too. How sick a notion is THAT?
Author uniqueone Posted November 11, 2007 Author Posted November 11, 2007 FWIW there are just as many clueless ladies out there too. The rules have changed in the last 40 years. Sometimes it seems that women want (and deserve) all the respect, jobs, work, equality yet when it comes to dating etc. the men still have to do all the work and pass all the tests. I don't write long posts anymore after having lost many of them so here's a continuation of my other one..... I'm sorry but I don't pursue men. Men pursue me and many have. I've done the reverse and I can say without question that it does not work. I've known other women who have pursued men with the same results. No matter what men might tell you, most men do not value a woman who pursues them. Show me successful relationships where the woman pursued the man. They are rare. I am completely happy not pursuing men. I don't value a man who can't pursue what he wants. This usually pertains to other aspects of his life as well. I like strong leaders. Men who cannot pursue a woman are not strong leaders. Therefore, those who do not pursue me are ones that either aren't interested in me, or are those who are interested in me but I would not be interested in them.
Author uniqueone Posted November 11, 2007 Author Posted November 11, 2007 It hasn't been easy over here on this side of the fence, exactly. I think you have gotten this simplified idea that men are fine with someone who is thin, attractive, and nice (and that's it) from men that just don't articulate what they really want. Perhaps they meant that this is a good start. I don't know. Since they are men, they are probably not going to sit and wax nostalgic about the details of what else they want. Most men are kind of secretive that way. But you seem to show an interest in a large number of women that you meet, do you not?
BlueEyedGirl Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 Hmmm... I don't have a specific list of qualities, but all I know is that on the first date, 9 out of 10 times I will think "He just doesn't do it for me, I can't wait to get out of here". I'm very rarely physically attracted to anyone and then converstion has to be good, and it's near impossible to find both. My brother on the other hand is opposite, 9 out of 10 times he will want to see the girl again after the initial meeting. He tends to get stuck in LTR one after the other, and then around 2 years later starts plotting how to get out of the R (usually when girl talks about marriage). Yep, men are definetly less picky. I also think it has to do with the fact that they would pretty much "do" anyone who is not obese and disgustingly ugly so physical attraction tends to be less of a problem.
Author uniqueone Posted November 11, 2007 Author Posted November 11, 2007 Hmmm... I don't have a specific list of qualities, but all I know is that on the first date, 9 out of 10 times I will think "He just doesn't do it for me, I can't wait to get out of here". I'm very rarely physically attracted to anyone and then converstion has to be good, and it's near impossible to find both. My brother on the other hand is opposite, 9 out of 10 times he will want to see the girl again after the initial meeting. He tends to get stuck in LTR one after the other, and then around 2 years later starts plotting how to get out of the R (usually when girl talks about marriage). Yep, men are definetly less picky. I also think it has to do with the fact that they would pretty much "do" anyone who is not obese and disgustingly ugly so physical attraction tends to be less of a problem. I agree. Most womens first thought is: "Do I want this guy touching me?" (and the answer is usually "no") Whereas most men would love to be touched by most women. Whether that woman is good for a relationship or not, isn't on their mind at that point.
tanbark813 Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 Whereas most men would love to be touched by most women. Whether that woman is good for a relationship or not, isn't on their mind at that point. I haven't read all the replies but I have to strongly disagree with this point. I'm trying the online dating thing again and the past two first dates I've had the girl ended up being much heavier than her pics indicated. The first thought in each case was, "Crap." In neither case was there any sexual contact nor will there be a second date. I have another first date this afternoon so we'll see how that goes.
Author uniqueone Posted November 11, 2007 Author Posted November 11, 2007 I haven't read all the replies but I have to strongly disagree with this point. I'm trying the online dating thing again and the past two first dates I've had the girl ended up being much heavier than her pics indicated. The first thought in each case was, "Crap." In neither case was there any sexual contact nor will there be a second date. I have another first date this afternoon so we'll see how that goes. Like the other poster mentioned, this excludes the women being overweight....other than that, I would say that men liked to be touched by women.
tanbark813 Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 Like the other poster mentioned, this excludes the women being overweight....other than that, I would say that men liked to be touched by women. Men like to be touched by attractive women. And excluding overweight women is a pretty big exclusion. You're knocking off about 50% of the gender right there. As far as whether or not dating is easier for men, I'm kind of on the fence. I think certain areas are just easier. Women just have to sit there and wait to be approached whereas men have to do the bulk of the legwork in the beginning. But at the same time there's a certain level of control that goes along with having that responsibility. But then again, dealing with women's craziness and flakiness is no walk in the park.
sumdude Posted November 12, 2007 Posted November 12, 2007 And can you tell me how respect in the workplace equates with men asking the women out for dates? You seemed to have linked them all together as "equality". And sadly, what you're saying is.....ok women....I'll give you some respect as a person in the workplace, in job equality, etc....but here's what you have to do FOR ME in return.......you have to start pursuing me sexually for dates. And not only do i want you to pursue me now but I want you to pay for it too. How sick a notion is THAT? Again the double standard and making assumptions... can't have it both ways. I just see so many women complaining about the quality of men they are being persued by... looking for "the one' with an amazing list of qualifications. So why not work it both ways. And where the he** did I say anything about expecting a woman to pay? hmmm ? So what exactly are you saying ... you want to be equal in every other way BUT the man must still pay for everything when wooing you? Point is I believe women should be as equally willing to make the approach as men. What's wrong with that? I play a lot of devils advocate... .
sumdude Posted November 12, 2007 Posted November 12, 2007 But then again, dealing with women's craziness and flakiness is no walk in the park. word... let the flames begin ...
Sean0775 Posted November 12, 2007 Posted November 12, 2007 I am completely happy not pursuing men. I don't value a man who can't pursue what he wants. This usually pertains to other aspects of his life as well. I like strong leaders. Men who cannot pursue a woman are not strong leaders. I prefer to think most men WON'T pursue a woman rather than can't. I personally can't stand be forced to chase a woman around like a starved puma. I can see not meeting someone after one conversation, but having to screen and test a man for weeks on end before doing something as simple as having dinner with him is downright ridiculous. I'm currently trying to get a woman to have dinner with me who I've been talking to via phone for going on a week, and spending my time talking with no tangible results is already starting to get old. Oh, and I happen to be a strong leader as well, just ask the people I supervise.
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